Toddler Shoots and Kills Mother

[Master Shake]

Also, I have lived in Texas for the past 40 years and have never needed a gun for self-defense
And that has included times in my life where my decisions were rather risky


Now,
On occasion I've wanted a gun for homicidal reasons such as taking out some drivers...

Good thing I'm a pacifist

I have had my company robbed before and I had to literally beat the guy within an inch of his life...

Ironically, living in California, I would have gone to jail if I shot the guy.

[Skeckoa]

Sorry, but 100 deaths in a country with over 300 Million guns equates to not that much.

Maybe if people PUT THEIR GUNS IN A SPOT WHERE THEIR KIDS DON"T REACH

Edit: According to Everytown for Gun Safety, 2 Million children in the USA live in a house with unsecured gun(s). Even still, 100/2,000,000 is still not a lot.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Also, I have lived in Texas for the past 40 years and have never needed a gun for self-defense
And that has included times in my life where my decisions were rather risky


Now,
On occasion I've wanted a gun for homicidal reasons such as taking out some drivers...

Good thing I'm a pacifist

I have guns in my house. It doesn't really bother me to have one since I grew up around them and I feel a tad safer.

[Galloism]

Is self-defense not a "reasonable application"?

No. Depending on the situation, either you can't draw the weapon, or you could use a non-lethal weapon instead. There's no scenario in which a concealed firearm is a good option for self-defence.

So THATs why detectives, FBI agents, secret service agents, and others don't carry firearms. If they were to put them under their suit, the universal clothing forcefield prevents usage.

I knew there was a reason.

[Fartsniffage]

We used to have gun-safety (and gun clubs) in schools.

True. The kids were once taught to respect guns and not fear them... And America was once a great place to live...

Not sure how relevent that is unless you advocate gun-safety classes for toddlers.....

[Galloism]

Sorry, but 100 deaths in a country with over 300 Million guns equates to not that much.

Maybe if people PUT THEIR GUNS IN A SPOT WHERE THEIR KIDS DON"T REACH

Ban bodies of water.

[Esternial]

Also, I have lived in Texas for the past 40 years and have never needed a gun for self-defense
And that has included times in my life where my decisions were rather risky


Now,
On occasion I've wanted a gun for homicidal reasons such as taking out some drivers...

Good thing I'm a pacifist

A big problem, in my opinion, is the rampart presence of fear throughout America and the world. People are naturally frightful creatures, so having the opportunity of buying a gun and protecting yourself against all those scary things is a logical choice to make. Humans are good at being afraid and amplifying their own fear through their fantasy and hypotheticals, which is why buying a gun seems like a reasonable decision, while it is in fact a gross overreaction.

It's also a similar reason why we buy lottery tickets; just in case we're part of that 0.001%. We always overestimate our chances.

[Master Shake]

True. The kids were once taught to respect guns and not fear them... And America was once a great place to live...

Not sure how relevent that is unless you advocate gun-safety classes for toddlers.....

They are old enough and smart enough to learn how to use a toilet...

why not a gun?

[Tubbsalot]

No. Depending on the situation, either you can't draw the weapon, or you could use a non-lethal weapon instead. There's no scenario in which a concealed firearm is a good option for self-defence.

So THATs why detectives, FBI agents, secret service agents, and others don't carry firearms. If they were to put them under their suit, the universal clothing forcefield prevents usage.

I knew there was a reason.

Yes, brilliant, that's totally what I'm talking about. I was referring to the average person walking down a street, who will have to deal with a mugging at most; that is obviously comparable to people who can be engaged in straight-up firefights. I am genuinely suggesting that a person being shot at by a dozen gang members should whip out the pepper spray and go to town. Wow, you've really opened my eyes and convinced me.

[Mavorpen]

Also, I have lived in Texas for the past 40 years and have never needed a gun for self-defense
And that has included times in my life where my decisions were rather risky


Now,
On occasion I've wanted a gun for homicidal reasons such as taking out some drivers...

Good thing I'm a pacifist

A big problem, in my opinion, is the rampart presence of fear throughout America and the world. People are naturally frightful creatures, so having the opportunity of buying a gun and protecting yourself against all those scary things is a logical choice to make. Humans are good at being afraid and amplifying their own fear through their fantasy and hypotheticals, which is why buying a gun seems like a reasonable decision, while it is in fact a gross overreaction.

It's also a similar reason why we buy lottery tickets; just in case we're part of that 0.001%. We always overestimate our chances.

Frankly I'm not willing to take the chance given that I'm more likely to be killed with my own gun in the home than using it in self defense.

But if other people feel more secure with it and have actually been in a case where it's helped protect their lives/health, good for them.

[Esternial]

Also, I have lived in Texas for the past 40 years and have never needed a gun for self-defense
And that has included times in my life where my decisions were rather risky


Now,
On occasion I've wanted a gun for homicidal reasons such as taking out some drivers...

Good thing I'm a pacifist

I have guns in my house. It doesn't really bother me to have one since I grew up around them and I feel a tad safer.

That's what sometimes concerns me. Children growing up in houses where people are lax with their weaponry. The resulting mentality of those children may be to treat guns as common tools, like a spade...

or some ductape...

or sturdy rope.

[Big Jim P]

So, you refuse to acknowledge that you were wrong when you stated this, even in the face of evidence to the contrary:

Look, Jim, don't go pretending there aren't enough cases to adequately add weight to either side of the argument. Both sides have a fair share of reasonable arguments.

True. However Tubbs made a blanket statement, and almost every blanket statement can be proven false.

[Galloism]

So THATs why detectives, FBI agents, secret service agents, and others don't carry firearms. If they were to put them under their suit, the universal clothing forcefield prevents usage.

I knew there was a reason.

Yes, brilliant, that's totally what I'm talking about. I was referring to the average person walking down a street, who will have to deal with a mugging at most; that is obviously comparable to people who can be engaged in straight-up firefights. I am genuinely suggesting that a person being shot at by a dozen gang members should whip out the pepper spray and go to town. Wow, you've really opened my eyes and convinced me.

So detectives should only carry guns when they're headed into gang territory, and leave it in their car when they're questioning witnesses and doing investigations, because forcefield?

[Tubbsalot]

True. However Tubbs made a blanket statement, and almost every blanket statement can be proven false.

If only you'd actually bothered to do so, rather than just assuring me you were totally right on the basis of, oh, a bunch of things you've read, and some stuff, just trust you.

[Fartsniffage]

Look, Jim, don't go pretending there aren't enough cases to adequately add weight to either side of the argument. Both sides have a fair share of reasonable arguments.

True. However Tubbs made a blanket statement, and almost every blanket statement can be proven false.

Blankets are good for making forts. Prove me wrong....

[Seno Zhou Varada]

True. However Tubbs made a blanket statement, and almost every blanket statement can be proven false.

Blankets are good for making forts. Prove me wrong....

They don't protect against nukes well.

[Big Jim P]

So, you refuse to acknowledge that you were wrong when you stated this, even in the face of evidence to the contrary:

Firstly, no, that statement still stands. By "good option," I mean preferable to non-lethal weapons.

Secondly, you have yet to produce any evidence aside from "look at my sig, lol this guy's so dumb i keep telling him, rofl."

http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/

there, I removed it from my sig, so maybe you can see it better. Your refusal to look at the evidence that proves you wrong does not make it go away.

[Master Shake]

Blankets are good for making forts. Prove me wrong....

They don't protect against nukes well.

Don't know many toddlers that carry nukes. Maybe Kim Jung Un's future son...

[Galloism]

A big problem, in my opinion, is the rampart presence of fear throughout America and the world. People are naturally frightful creatures, so having the opportunity of buying a gun and protecting yourself against all those scary things is a logical choice to make. Humans are good at being afraid and amplifying their own fear through their fantasy and hypotheticals, which is why buying a gun seems like a reasonable decision, while it is in fact a gross overreaction.

It's also a similar reason why we buy lottery tickets; just in case we're part of that 0.001%. We always overestimate our chances.

Frankly I'm not willing to take the chance given that I'm more likely to be killed with my own gun in the home than using it in self defense.

That's.... probably not true. Statistics vary wildly on this subject, and there's significant variation based on propensity to suicide and geographic location.

If you think about suicide daily and live in Maine, that might be a true statement. If you're reasonably well adjusted and live in Miami, it's almost assuredly false.

[St Williams Parr County]

I don't think the little guy meant to shoot his own mother. Afterall, the father will probably speak in a gentle voice. Letting him easily understand the situation. But not with big words, or extreme words like 'murder', 'homicide', or other words like that. That's how all little children learn. But first, a simple explanation, easy enough for them to understand.

God, I hope his dad doesn't hate him when he grows up. But still, I can't imagine how sanguineous the situation was. It's sad!

[Imperializt Russia]

We'll never know, then.

A safety takes a little more than "five seconds" to disable if you have no idea about what you're doing.

Not necessarily. There aren't that many moving parts on the exterior of a gun.

It's a half a kilogram (or substantially more, in some cases) of metal and trim. I don't think the toddler would have been "holding" it at any point.
Some adults find handguns uncomfortable to hold and shoot, a toddler isn't going to be going gansta stylee.

[Big Jim P]

I don't think the little guy meant to shoot his own mother. Afterall, the father will probably speak in a gentle voice. Letting him easily understand the situation. But not with big words, or extreme words like 'murder', 'homicide', or other words like that. That's how all little children learn. But first, a simple explanation, easy enough for them to understand.

God, I hope his dad doesn't hate him when he grows up. But still, I can't imagine how sanguineous the situation was. It's sad!

Indeed, it is VERY sad, and so easily preventable.

[Mavorpen]

Frankly I'm not willing to take the chance given that I'm more likely to be killed with my own gun in the home than using it in self defense.

That's.... probably not true. Statistics vary wildly on this subject, and there's significant variation based on propensity to suicide and geographic location.

If you think about suicide daily and live in Maine, that might be a true statement. If you're reasonably well adjusted and live in Miami, it's almost assuredly false.

Yeah, so like I said, I'm more likely to be killed with my own gun in the home and using it in self defense.

[MERIZoC]

I don't think the little guy meant to shoot his own mother. Afterall, the father will probably speak in a gentle voice. Letting him easily understand the situation. But not with big words, or extreme words like 'murder', 'homicide', or other words like that. That's how all little children learn. But first, a simple explanation, easy enough for them to understand.

God, I hope his dad doesn't hate him when he grows up. But still, I can't imagine how sanguineous the situation was. It's sad!

This is, of course, assuming there is a father figure.

[Tubbsalot]

So detectives should only carry guns when they're headed into gang territory, and leave it in their car when they're questioning witnesses and doing investigations, because forcefield?

Are you being wilfully obtuse?

I'm talking about the average citizen, who does not put themselves in particularly dangerous situations, and is not intended to ever be in a situation requiring the use of medium-range disabling weaponry.

I am not talking about FBI agents, or SWAT teams, or military personnel. As should be readily apparent, even to someone who's just dropped in at the end of the argument.

Secondly, you have yet to produce any evidence aside from "look at my sig, lol this guy's so dumb i keep telling him, rofl."

http://gunssavelives.net/category/self-defense/

there, I removed it from my sig, so maybe you can see it better. Your refusal to look at the evidence that proves you wrong does not make it go away.

https://www.google.com/search?q=guns+don%27t+save+lives

Here, have a link of your own. I'm right you're wrong, solid evidence right there. Sorry guy better luck next time.

Oh, what's that? You don't WANT to search through fifty billion random webpages? I'm supposed to make my OWN argument instead of telling you to do my work for me?? Oh, gosh, I don't think I like this whole "debate" thing!

Jesus fucking christ, is there anyone on "the other side" who's willing to talk like a reasonable human being?