New Tsavon wrote:However, I see no problem with legally carrying a handgun.
You don't see any problem with it, despite the OP recounting an instance of the gun being accessed by someone other the owner?
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by Tubbsalot » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:22 pm
New Tsavon wrote:However, I see no problem with legally carrying a handgun.
by Wisconsin9 » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:23 pm
by Tubbsalot » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:24 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:It would also make it utterly pointless to carry a weapon in the first place. There would be no situation where it was useful (as though there were many reasonable applications for a concealed weapon in the first place).
No it would not.
If you're in a situation where you would be unable to cock the handgun when you need it, you probably won't have the time to draw it in the first place.
by Qeno » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:24 pm
Merizoc wrote:Firstly my thoughts and condolences go out to this woman's family and friends. It seems like accidental gun deaths are in the news a lot lately. What's the answer to these killings? Up to 100 children die each year in the US from accidental shootings, and thats still not counting adults. So how do we combat this? Regular gun control? Or specific laws targeting guns in households with children? I'd prefer to see restrictions on firearms in houses with children, but we've also got to educate people about the dangers of these weapons. This woman clearly wasn't carrying the gun in a safe spot. Can we make sure that people know how to properly and safely carry and store firearms?
by Imperializt Russia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:25 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:No it would not.
If you're in a situation where you would be unable to cock the handgun when you need it, you probably won't have the time to draw it in the first place.
Okay. Please describe a plausible scenario in which an unloaded, uncocked handgun would be a useful tool in self-defence.
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by New Tsavon » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:25 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:(as though there were many reasonable applications for a concealed weapon in the first place).
by Ayreonia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:26 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:No it would not.
If you're in a situation where you would be unable to cock the handgun when you need it, you probably won't have the time to draw it in the first place.
Okay. Please describe a plausible scenario in which an unloaded, uncocked handgun would be a useful tool in self-defence.
by Thompson island » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:27 pm
by Gun Manufacturers » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:28 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:WestRedMaple wrote:
Safe carry can certainly involve it being loaded and ready to fire....that's the best way to have it for self-defense. The problem occured when the two-year-old was allowed access to it.
Allowed is a strong word.
I'm sure many concealed carry shooters would tell you it is better to carry your weapon not cocked. It would be far safer.
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by Ayreonia » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:28 pm
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by Big Jim P » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:30 pm
Luziyca wrote:It could've been avoided if gun control laws were implemented....
New Rhodinia wrote:Just ran into the "Gunman kills three" issue and went with door 1: restrict firearms to law enforcement and the military. I'm not doubting an average person's ability to use a gun properly and use it as people want it to be used, but guns only have one purpose: to kill. And in a world where firearns are more accessible and effective then what the second amendment thought was considered a "firearm", you can't help but get a little worried.
by Gun Manufacturers » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:32 pm
Tubbsalot wrote:Imperializt Russia wrote:No it would not.
If you're in a situation where you would be unable to cock the handgun when you need it, you probably won't have the time to draw it in the first place.
Okay. Please describe a plausible scenario in which an unloaded, uncocked handgun would be a useful tool in self-defence.
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by New Tsavon » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:32 pm
by Big Jim P » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:32 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:Merizoc wrote:Firstly my thoughts and condolences go out to this woman's family and friends. It seems like accidental gun deaths are in the news a lot lately. What's the answer to these killings? Up to 100 children die each year in the US from accidental shootings, and thats still not counting adults. So how do we combat this? Regular gun control? Or specific laws targeting guns in households with children? I'd prefer to see restrictions on firearms in houses with children, but we've also got to educate people about the dangers of these weapons. This woman clearly wasn't carrying the gun in a safe spot. Can we make sure that people know how to properly and safely carry and store firearms?
Proper and safe carry and storage would probably have involved not having the weapon loaded, cocked and ready to fire. That's begging for a disaster. Even if the weapon was a revolver, it could surely have been left uncocked - I don't know if this is true of modern revolvers, but perhaps not fully loading the cylinder and resting the hammer on this empty chamber would prevent an accidental discharge.
This is an issue of education. This weapon was not safely being carried.
Also, how did the toddler get to it? Did it reach into her purse while being also carried by the mother? Did the mother leave her bag (with her loaded, cocked, ready to fire handgun) momentarily, and the baby with it? This is a shocking level of complacency.
by WestRedMaple » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:32 pm
Imperializt Russia wrote:WestRedMaple wrote:
Safe carry can certainly involve it being loaded and ready to fire....that's the best way to have it for self-defense. The problem occured when the two-year-old was allowed access to it.
Allowed is a strong word.
I'm sure many concealed carry shooters would tell you it is better to carry your weapon not cocked. It would be far safer.
by Tubbsalot » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:32 pm
New Tsavon wrote:The article in the OP says he grabbed the weapon from the purse and discharged it.
That indicates that the weapon's safety was not engaged.
by New Tsavon » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:37 pm
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by Tubbsalot » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:40 pm
Big Jim P wrote:Tubbsalot wrote:
No. Depending on the situation, either you can't draw the weapon, or you could use a non-lethal weapon instead. There's no scenario in which a concealed firearm is a good option for self-defence.
There are plenty of examples of successful self defense that prove this wrong.
by Sereina » Tue Dec 30, 2014 5:44 pm
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