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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:50 pm

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/12/30/toddler-shoots-womanwithherowngun.html
A Walmart store in northern Idaho was the scene of the latest tragedy in a spate of accidental killings on Tuesday, when a toddler shot and killed his mother with the gun she was carrying in her purse, authorities said.

Kootenai County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Stu Miller said that the woman, whose identity was not released, was shopping at a Walmart in a suburb of Coeur d’Alene with four children in tow. Authorities confirmed that the 2-year-old boy was the woman's son, but it was not clear how she was related to the other children.

"One of the children, a boy about 2 years old, reached into the woman’s purse at about 11:15 a.m., and the weapon accidentally discharged," Miller told reporters.

The woman had a concealed weapons permit, and Miller noted on Twitter that a preliminary investigation “shows shooting was accidental. 1 female victim, late 20s, is deceased."

The fatal shooting is only the latest in a succession of accidental killings this year. Last month a 3-year-old boy reportedly shot and killed his mother while she changed his sister’s diaper. A 12-year-old boy accidentally shot his 9-year-old sister in Newark, New Jersey with what was reportedly a stolen handgun.

In April a 3-year-old girl shot and killed her 2-year-old brother with a .22 caliber rifle in Utah. That same month a 2-year-old boy shot and killed his 11-year-old sister with a handgun he apparently believed was a toy.

The accidental shooting death of a gun instructor in August by a 9-year-old girl during a demonstration of a submachine gun reignited debate about gun safety and whether children should be allowed anywhere near them.

The action group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America have long called for a “national discussion about children and guns” and stated after the August incident that they were urging the members and the public to find new ways to act against gun violence in the coming year.

Firstly my thoughts and condolences go out to this woman's family and friends. It seems like accidental gun deaths are in the news a lot lately. What's the answer to these killings? Up to 100 children die each year in the US from accidental shootings, and thats still not counting adults. So how do we combat this? Regular gun control? Or specific laws targeting guns in households with children? I'd prefer to see restrictions on firearms in houses with children, but we've also got to educate people about the dangers of these weapons. This woman clearly wasn't carrying the gun in a safe spot. Can we make sure that people know how to properly and safely carry and store firearms?

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:52 pm

Merizoc wrote:http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/12/30/toddler-shoots-womanwithherowngun.html
A Walmart store in northern Idaho was the scene of the latest tragedy in a spate of accidental killings on Tuesday, when a toddler shot and killed his mother with the gun she was carrying in her purse, authorities said.

Kootenai County Sheriff’s Office spokesman Stu Miller said that the woman, whose identity was not released, was shopping at a Walmart in a suburb of Coeur d’Alene with four children in tow. Authorities confirmed that the 2-year-old boy was the woman's son, but it was not clear how she was related to the other children.

"One of the children, a boy about 2 years old, reached into the woman’s purse at about 11:15 a.m., and the weapon accidentally discharged," Miller told reporters.

The woman had a concealed weapons permit, and Miller noted on Twitter that a preliminary investigation “shows shooting was accidental. 1 female victim, late 20s, is deceased."

The fatal shooting is only the latest in a succession of accidental killings this year. Last month a 3-year-old boy reportedly shot and killed his mother while she changed his sister’s diaper. A 12-year-old boy accidentally shot his 9-year-old sister in Newark, New Jersey with what was reportedly a stolen handgun.

In April a 3-year-old girl shot and killed her 2-year-old brother with a .22 caliber rifle in Utah. That same month a 2-year-old boy shot and killed his 11-year-old sister with a handgun he apparently believed was a toy.

The accidental shooting death of a gun instructor in August by a 9-year-old girl during a demonstration of a submachine gun reignited debate about gun safety and whether children should be allowed anywhere near them.

The action group Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America have long called for a “national discussion about children and guns” and stated after the August incident that they were urging the members and the public to find new ways to act against gun violence in the coming year.

Firstly my thoughts and condolences go out to this woman's family and friends. It seems like accidental gun deaths are in the news a lot lately. What's the answer to these killings? Up to 100 children die each year in the US from accidental shootings, and thats still not counting adults. So how do we combat this? Regular gun control? Or specific laws targeting guns in households with children? I'd prefer to see restrictions on firearms in houses with children, but we've also got to educate people about the dangers of these weapons. This woman clearly wasn't carrying the gun in a safe spot. Can we make sure that people know how to properly and safely carry and store firearms?

Fortunately the child seems young enough that he won't remember, implicitly, the happening.

Unfortunately, someone will tell him.

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Postby Shilya » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:54 pm

http://www.idaho.gov/laws_rules/firearm.html

Purchasing Firearms

There is no state permit required for the purchase of any rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

It is unlawful to directly or indirectly sell to any minor under the age of eighteen years any weapon without the written consent of the parent or guardian of the minor.

No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun.


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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:55 pm

Merizoc wrote:I'd prefer to see restrictions on firearms in houses with children, but we've also got to educate people about the dangers of these weapons. This woman clearly wasn't carrying the gun in a safe spot. Can we make sure that people know how to properly and safely carry and store firearms?

Probably not. Any attempt to deny access to firearms to those who can't or won't keep and use them safely would likely be seen as a prelude to shipping people off to FEMA death camps and establishing the Islamic Caliphate of Obamastan.
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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:58 pm

If the mother had a gun, this would have never... oh...

Ifreann wrote:
Merizoc wrote:I'd prefer to see restrictions on firearms in houses with children, but we've also got to educate people about the dangers of these weapons. This woman clearly wasn't carrying the gun in a safe spot. Can we make sure that people know how to properly and safely carry and store firearms?

Probably not. Any attempt to deny access to firearms to those who can't or won't keep and use them safely would likely be seen as a prelude to shipping people off to FEMA death camps and establishing the Islamic Caliphate of Obamastan.


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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 30, 2014 3:58 pm

Gauthier wrote:If the mother had a gun, this would have never... oh...

Ifreann wrote:Probably not. Any attempt to deny access to firearms to those who can't or won't keep and use them safely would likely be seen as a prelude to shipping people off to FEMA death camps and establishing the Islamic Caliphate of Obamastan.


Obama is a sleeper agent for the Islamic State? Quick, someone call Donald Trump!

No, call his hair. That's the one in charge.

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Postby Gauthier » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:00 pm

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Postby The Lotophagi » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:09 pm

Now if only the mom had a gun, this whole thing could have been prevented.

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Postby Fortschritte » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:12 pm

Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:13 pm

Fortschritte wrote:Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.

Nope.

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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:15 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.

Nope.

I've noticed that there's always someone who pleads that this not be a political thing.

Generally these people are people who are against gun control.
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Postby Fortschritte » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:15 pm

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The Emerald Dawn wrote:Nope.

I've noticed that there's always someone who pleads that this not be a political thing.

Generally these people are people who are against gun control.


Well, then I suppose I'm an exception.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:15 pm

Fortschritte wrote:Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.

How would it be respectful to the victim to ignore the cause of her death and refuse to consider any political action that might prevent future deaths by the same cause?
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Postby The Matthew Islands » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:16 pm

Fortschritte wrote:Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.

This is a political forum. Of course we are going to use this to score points at ant-gun control people.

If you can't handle that then this forum, and indeed politics in general, may not be for you.


Now: *Obligatory, we need armed good guy toddlers type joke."
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:16 pm

Fortschritte wrote:Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.

There's an inherent problem here. Should we do nothing?

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Postby Toronina » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:17 pm

Fortschritte wrote:Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.

You're asking NSG to not be political? That's like asking the moon to sing.
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Postby Luziyca » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:20 pm

It could've been avoided if gun control laws were implemented....
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Postby Fortschritte » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:22 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.

There's an inherent problem here. Should we do nothing?


I suppose you and a few others are right. My knee jerk reaction was "this is a tragedy, and it should be treated as such", which is why I was wary of this becoming a political thread, because people often forget about what event took place, and instead focus on a political topic. But, you're right, something should be done.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:22 pm

Luziyca wrote:It could've been avoided if gun control laws were implemented....

Nah, this was honestly an accident.

She had a CCW license. She just didn't have the intelligence Mom gave a peanut.

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Postby Tubbsalot » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:28 pm

God I hate gun control arguments.

On one side, "having a gun is a fundamental liberty! Who cares if it's a matter of public safety; I need one for fun, and if the price is a few thousand human lives, that's worth it. Besides, I need it to defend myself, because the only way to defend yourself is to kill. No, criminals aren't human, and deserve to die. What? No, I can definitely defend myself against someone who's already pointing their own gun at me. Look, if you ban guns, only criminals will have guns. No, I don't understand supply or demand, how is that relevant?"

On the other side, "look at these random figures from this one state, banning guns automatically means more safety, immediately and for everyone. No, I don't see why this isn't convincing; numbers don't lie!" Okay, the second side is a lot less egregious. But they're still missing the point and so will never convince anyone of their views.

And all throughout, people throwing out cute one-liners which completely tank any productive discussion which may have briefly occurred, and another group of people complaining about everyone "using it to push their agenda" (on a debate forum) as though when 50 people are shot to death we should all just shrug and shut up and let it happen again.
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Postby Tubbsalot » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:29 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Nah, this was honestly an accident.

Car crashes are also accidents, which doesn't mean we can dismiss them by saying "oh the drivers were obviously just stupid who cares."
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:41 pm

Tubbsalot wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Nah, this was honestly an accident.

Car crashes are also accidents, which doesn't mean we can dismiss them by saying "oh the drivers were obviously just stupid who cares."


Obviously we should outlaw negligence. :D

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Postby New Tsavon » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:45 pm

Fortschritte wrote:Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.

Agreed.

The whole tragedy could've been prevented if the mother had left the safety on before putting it in her bag.
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Postby Caribica » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:50 pm

New Tsavon wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:Can we not make this political, out of respect for the victim? Please, show some courtesy, NSG.

Agreed.

The whole tragedy could've been prevented if the mother had left the safety on before putting it in her bag.

Right, teach common gun sense instead of banning them in the name of safety.

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Postby Gun Manufacturers » Tue Dec 30, 2014 4:53 pm

Shilya wrote:http://www.idaho.gov/laws_rules/firearm.html

Purchasing Firearms

There is no state permit required for the purchase of any rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

It is unlawful to directly or indirectly sell to any minor under the age of eighteen years any weapon without the written consent of the parent or guardian of the minor.

No state permit is required to possess a rifle, shotgun or handgun.


You need to pass a test to get a drivers licence. You should also need to pass a test to get a shooters licence.


WTF is a shooter's license? Do you mean a carry permit?
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