New Greek elections

[Untaroicht]

Golden Dawn baby! Desperate times call for desperate measures, and we need to fight back the incoming tide of turkish mongrel scum.

Remove kebab? Care to explain why you support such a racist party?

I openly support the golden dawn (and am in fact a member of their NYC branch) because despite their extremism and fascism, they are the strongest force against turkish barbarism. I hope that if they gain power, they completely sever and disband all diplomatic ties with the satanic government over there, establish an embargo, and re-take cyprus by total, unremitting, full and brutal military force on an industrial scale.

Every breath of native greek air the turk takes while standing on our precious and sacred homeland is an insult to our proud lineage, and they should be dealt with without any form of compassion, humanity, or mercy.

[Baltenstein]

Remove kebab? Care to explain why you support such a racist party?

I openly support the golden dawn (and am in fact a member of their NYC branch) because despite their extremism and fascism, they are the strongest force against turkish barbarism. I hope that if they gain power, they completely sever and disband all diplomatic ties with the satanic government over there, establish an embargo, and re-take cyprus by total, unremitting, full and brutal military force on an industrial scale.

Every breath the turk takes while standing on our precious and sacred homeland is an insult to our proud lineage, and they should be dealt with without any form of compassion, humanity, or mercy.

[The Conez Imperium]

Remove kebab? Care to explain why you support such a racist party?

I openly support the golden dawn (and am in fact a member of their NYC branch) because despite their extremism and fascism, they are the strongest force against turkish barbarism. I hope that if they gain power, they completely sever and disband all diplomatic ties with the satanic government over there, establish an embargo, and re-take cyprus by total, unremitting, full and brutal military force on an industrial scale.

Every breath of native greek air the turk takes while standing on our precious and sacred homeland is an insult to our proud lineage, and they should be dealt with without any form of compassion, humanity, or mercy.

The kebab hate is stong. Enjoy some souvlaki and some shish kebab

[Gezi Park]

Every breath of native greek air the turk takes while standing on our precious and sacred homeland is an insult to our proud lineage, and they should be dealt with without any form of compassion, humanity, or mercy.

I kinda feel offended as someone who lives in Izmir at the moment.

Not that you are in a well-suited position to try to fuck with Turkey.

[Chestaan]

By my estimates the following would happen:

SYRIZA wins a plurality of 35%, winning 88 seats/250, so it will also get the 50 extra seats.

That gives it 138 seats out of 300, or 46%.

It would then have to be supported by another party, who would need to get at-least 5% of the vote to make a majority. So if KKE, for example, gets 5.5% of the vote, they'll get 14 MPs.

If KKE and SYRIZA go into this hypothetical coalition, that gives them 152 seats.

152 seats would allow the hypothetical SYRIZA-KKE coalition to govern with a majority.

The same goes for PASOK, if Syriza goes with a centre-left partner and PASOK ends up actually getting above 5%. (although, that is debatable)


Is my understanding of the Greek electoral system correct?

KKE are far too stubborn to go into a coalition with SYRIZA.

[Untaroicht]

Every breath of native greek air the turk takes while standing on our precious and sacred homeland is an insult to our proud lineage, and they should be dealt with without any form of compassion, humanity, or mercy.

I kinda feel offended as someone who lives in Izmir at the moment.

Just like how the western european powers established their grip in the americas through intolerance, bloodshed, sexual slavery, and genocide- the turkish hordes only have a claim on Anatolia thanks to the same tactics, enough to rival the holocaust if not surpass it.

The native Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, Greeks, Orthodox Christians and others have been systematically, maliciously, and carefully exterminated in order to make living space to the turk. Worse yet, you people have the fucking nerve to claim you are a secular and progressive society, when time and time again you have shown to establish your dominance through pogroms, expulsion, the rape of our daughters and murder. Even in the year 2015, hundreds of years after he fall of our great holy city of Constantinople, your cryptic laws slowly choke the life out of the ancient orthodox christian faith- because the turk is simply unwilling to let christians live in his midst.

The native people (greek, armenian, christian, kurd, alike) have tried countless times to live in plural equality with their new neighbors and to show compassion, but the turks are a race rooted so deeply in war that peace is utterly incomprehensible to them. They cannot be bargained with or bought save with weapons that they will inevitable turn against those who tried to bribe them.

Therefore, I can safely say that the turkish government is home to THE most evil organization on the planet since 1945, and are a far greater threat then ISIS

[The Lotophagi]

Every breath of native greek air the turk takes while standing on our precious and sacred homeland is an insult to our proud lineage, and they should be dealt with without any form of compassion, humanity, or mercy.

Ah, the fervour of a foreigner overinvesting themselves in the affairs of a nation they have no real stake in whatsoever. Nothing's quite so ridiculous or so deranged.

[Gezi Park]

I kinda feel offended as someone who lives in Izmir at the moment.

Just like how the western european powers established their grip in the americas through intolerance, bloodshed, sexual slavery, and genocide- the turkish hordes only have a claim on Anatolia thanks to the same tactics, enough to rival the holocaust if not surpass it.

The native Armenians, Assyrians, Kurds, Greeks, Orthodox Christians and others have been systematically, maliciously, and carefully exterminated in order to make living space to the turk. Worse yet, you people have the fucking nerve to claim you are a secular and progressive society, when time and time again you have shown to establish your dominance through pogroms, expulsion, the rape of our daughters and murder. Even in the year 2015, hundreds of years after he fall of our great holy city of Constantinople, your cryptic laws slowly choke the life out of the ancient orthodox christian faith- because the turk is simply unwilling to let christians live in his midst.

The native people (greek, armenian, christian, kurd, alike) have tried countless times to live in plural equality with their new neighbors and to show compassion, but the turks are a race rooted so deeply in war that peace is utterly incomprehensible to them. They cannot be bargained with or bought save with weapons that they will inevitable turn against those who tried to bribe them.

Therefore, I can safely say that the turkish government is home to THE most evil organization on the planet since 1945, and are a far greater threat then ISIS

To sum up; you're deeply butthurt. I bet your grandpa learnt how to swim back in 1922 when he was driven into the sea, leaving behind all his hopes to regain Smyrna.

Oh, and ancient Anatolians were not Greeks. In fact; Greeks had been attacking and bullying them over and over up until Turks came in. You have no right to make a claim on Anatolia.

[Baltenstein]

Yeah, Untaroicht must really feel the breeze of the Aegean Sea kindling his Greek spirit, all the way across the Atlantic.

EDIT:

We already had more than one thread closed because of a trolling and counter-trolling by Greek and Turkish users; since Gezi Park has already started with shenanigans in response to Untaroicht's nonsense, I request the mods to pull the particular users by the ear if they feel the need, rather than close the thread.

[Untaroicht]

Yeah, Untaroicht must really feel the breeze of the Aegean Sea kindling his Greek spirit, all the way across the Atlantic.

This is true! Did the jews ever lose their identity after the destruction of the second temple, and were exiled? No, they maintained the traditions of their elders and retained their faith despite every persecution the world could throw at them- from rome to nazi germany. And look at them now! Oh, how mighty israel has risen from the ashes!

The same must come for the Hellenes.

[Gezi Park]

Yeah, Untaroicht must really feel the breeze of the Aegean Sea kindling his Greek spirit, all the way across the Atlantic.

EDIT:

We already had more than one thread closed because of a trolling and counter-trolling by Greek and Turkish users; since Gezi Park has already started with shenanigans in response to Untaroicht's nonsense, I request the mods to pull the particular users by the ear if they feel the need, rather than close the thread.

Don't worry, I don't intend to carry on the debate.

Back to the topic; I envy the democratic election system that will give an opportunity for almost any party to be represented in the parliament and hinder the possibility of single-party rule, although that has shattered the stability (which I gotta say is definitely not worth it).

[Constantinopolis]

Remove kebab? Care to explain why you support such a racist party?

I openly support the golden dawn (and am in fact a member of their NYC branch) because despite their extremism and fascism, they are the strongest force against turkish barbarism. I hope that if they gain power, they completely sever and disband all diplomatic ties with the satanic government over there, establish an embargo, and re-take cyprus by total, unremitting, full and brutal military force on an industrial scale.

Every breath of native greek air the turk takes while standing on our precious and sacred homeland is an insult to our proud lineage, and they should be dealt with without any form of compassion, humanity, or mercy.

Wait... what? You think the Turks are Greece's main problem now?

Can't this at least wait until, you know, the Greek economy isn't in ruins any more?

[Kantona]

Since the economy of Greece sucks maybe it should stop be arrogant and accept Macedonias real name.

[Constantinopolis]

Ah, the fervour of a foreigner overinvesting themselves in the affairs of a nation they have no real stake in whatsoever. Nothing's quite so ridiculous or so deranged.

It is a well known phenomenon that people in the diaspora tend to be more nationalistic than the actual inhabitants of their country back home.

[Untaroicht]

I openly support the golden dawn (and am in fact a member of their NYC branch) because despite their extremism and fascism, they are the strongest force against turkish barbarism. I hope that if they gain power, they completely sever and disband all diplomatic ties with the satanic government over there, establish an embargo, and re-take cyprus by total, unremitting, full and brutal military force on an industrial scale.

Every breath of native greek air the turk takes while standing on our precious and sacred homeland is an insult to our proud lineage, and they should be dealt with without any form of compassion, humanity, or mercy.

Wait... what? You think the Turks are Greece's main problem now?

Can't this at least wait until, you know, the Greek economy isn't in ruins any more?

Precisely. Turkish imperialism during the ottoman era was, in many ways, similar to european colonialism. Now that we have established our independence the hard and bloody part is over- but we can learn much from successfully de-colonized nations like Rwanda and South Africa. I don't care how damaged our economy and infrastructure is, history has proven that with enough dedication and smarts you can build a nation out of nothing- just look at rome.

Economics are of second importance. We can utilize similar economic strategies to how nations of old recovered from the great depression to rebuild Greece. Once the economy is fixed and we are successfully de-colonized, a new era of prosperity can begin for our kin.

[The Conez Imperium]

Wait... what? You think the Turks are Greece's main problem now?

Can't this at least wait until, you know, the Greek economy isn't in ruins any more?

Precisely. Turkish imperialism during the ottoman era was, in many ways, similar to european colonialism. Now that we have established our independence the hard and bloody part is over- but we can learn much from successfully de-colonized nations like Rwanda and South Africa. I don't care how damaged our economy and infrastructure is, history has proven that with enough dedication and smarts you can build a nation out of nothing- just look at rome.

Economics are of second importance. As much as I despite everything about nazism, we can utilize similar economic strategies to rebuild Greece after it's own great depression. Once the economy is fixed and we are successfully de-colonized, a new era of prosperity can begin for our kin.

You already hosted the Olympics...

[Constantinopolis]

Wait... what? You think the Turks are Greece's main problem now?

Can't this at least wait until, you know, the Greek economy isn't in ruins any more?

Precisely. Turkish imperialism during the ottoman era was, in many ways, similar to european colonialism. Now that we have established our independence the hard and bloody part is over- but we can learn much from successfully de-colonized nations like Rwanda and South Africa.

Economics are of second importance. As much as I despite everything about nazism, we can utilize similar economic strategies to rebuild Greece after it's own great depression. Once the economy is fixed and we are successfully de-colonized, a new era of prosperity can begin for our kin.

Yeah, remember how that story ended for the Nazis? Do you want Greece divided into Turkish and EU occupation zones?

[Gezi Park]

Ah, the fervour of a foreigner overinvesting themselves in the affairs of a nation they have no real stake in whatsoever. Nothing's quite so ridiculous or so deranged.

It is a well known phenomenon that people in the diaspora tend to be more nationalistic than the actual inhabitants of their country back home.

More bigotic than nationalistic. I agree with you, though it's a bit odd that such a person got to live in the NYC.

[Baltenstein]

Wait... what? You think the Turks are Greece's main problem now?

Can't this at least wait until, you know, the Greek economy isn't in ruins any more?

Precisely. Turkish imperialism during the ottoman era was, in many ways, similar to european colonialism. Now that we have established our independence the hard and bloody part is over

That was 186 years ago, genius.

[Untaroicht]

Precisely. Turkish imperialism during the ottoman era was, in many ways, similar to european colonialism. Now that we have established our independence the hard and bloody part is over- but we can learn much from successfully de-colonized nations like Rwanda and South Africa.

Economics are of second importance. As much as I despite everything about nazism, we can utilize similar economic strategies to rebuild Greece after it's own great depression. Once the economy is fixed and we are successfully de-colonized, a new era of prosperity can begin for our kin.

Yeah, remember how that story ended for the Nazis? Do you want Greece divided into Turkish and EU occupation zones?

The end of germany was brought about by barbaric, downright evil military expansion and murder- it was all their own fault. If we remain peaceful and rebuild greece from the inside with ideas from their pre-war economy- much good can come.

As evil as they were, they did rebuild the german economy after the great depression.

[Constantinopolis]

I don't care how damaged our economy and infrastructure is, history has proven that with enough dedication and smarts you can build a nation out of nothing- just look at rome.

You're going to... fight Tunisia for hegemony over the Western Mediterranean, win, and use the wealth thus acquired to build an empire?

[Martean]

I openly support the golden dawn (and am in fact a member of their NYC branch) because despite their extremism and fascism, they are the strongest force against turkish barbarism. I hope that if they gain power, they completely sever and disband all diplomatic ties with the satanic government over there, establish an embargo, and re-take cyprus by total, unremitting, full and brutal military force on an industrial scale.

Every breath the turk takes while standing on our precious and sacred homeland is an insult to our proud lineage, and they should be dealt with without any form of compassion, humanity, or mercy.

*far* right indeed

[Untaroicht]

I don't care how damaged our economy and infrastructure is, history has proven that with enough dedication and smarts you can build a nation out of nothing- just look at rome.

You're going to... fight Tunisia for hegemony over the Western Mediterranean, win, and use the wealth thus acquired to build an empire?

Of course not- we live in a completely different world nowadays. In the modern age, expansionism is impractical- we need to build the areas that are ours already. Once that is accomplished, we simply take back what is rightfully ours by birth

[Martean]

You're going to... fight Tunisia for hegemony over the Western Mediterranean, win, and use the wealth thus acquired to build an empire?

Of course not- we live in a completely different world nowadays. In the modern age, expansionism is impractical- we need to build the areas that are ours already. Once that is accomplished, we simply take back what is rightfully ours by birth

Too many strategy video-games. This is not EUIV

[Gezi Park]

we simply take back what is rightfully ours by birth

Were you not taught about the Asia Minor Catastrophe in your school? we have a skipper here.