New Greek elections

[Camelza]

It is a letdown, but difficult times are in need of desparate solutions and Syriza isn't in exactly the most ideal position to pick allies.
However, that "pact" was about the 2012 elections when ANEL had much more political power, if ANEL scores badly in these elections(which they will) they will only get the defense ministry at best.
Syriza has a rather radical social programme though and I doubt ANEL will remain in government when Syriza puts its LGBT marriage and adoption agenda up for vote in parliament.
Or the secularisation process in government and the complete separation of church and state, for that matter.

I wonder how much of that secularization business will be actually implemented after Tsipras got all buddy-cozy with the Greek Orthodox Church.

He did not, you forget that he still remains an atheist who is married in a civic marriage and has openly declared that the church estates should be taxed. The fact that he attends socio-religious gatherings is more, or less a must for every Greek politician and not nessecarily an indicator of their agenda ...if I had a penny for every communist that attended Theophaneia I'd be rich.

[Baltenstein]

I wonder how much of that secularization business will be actually implemented after Tsipras got all buddy-cozy with the Greek Orthodox Church.

He did not, you forget that he still remains an atheist who is married in a civic marriage and has openly declared that the church estates should be taxed. The fact that he attends socio-religious gatherings is more, or less a must for every Greek politician and not nessecarily an indicator of their agenda ...if I had a penny for every communist that attended Theophaneia I'd be rich.

Actually I've heard that he himself wanted his children to be baptized (if only for sentimental reasons) but his wife was against it.

Anyways, we'll wait and see how much of it he will implement. Truth be told, it's hard in Greece to ignore the church as a political and social factor, so I can see why he will need to reach some sort of compromise.

[Camelza]

He did not, you forget that he still remains an atheist who is married in a civic marriage and has openly declared that the church estates should be taxed. The fact that he attends socio-religious gatherings is more, or less a must for every Greek politician and not nessecarily an indicator of their agenda ...if I had a penny for every communist that attended Theophaneia I'd be rich.

Actually I've heard that he himself wanted his children to be baptized (if only for sentimental reasons) but his wife was against it.

I've also heard he is a mason and collaborates with the North Koreans.

Anyways, we'll wait and see how much of it he will implement. Truth be told, it's hard in Greece to ignore the church as a political and social factor, so I can see why he will need to reach some sort of compromise.

The church's days are done, we can't εν έτει 2015 force young children to say prayers in public schools and have pictures of Jesus in every governmental building. Plus, there is much pressure from the real left-wingers of Syriza who are on the bringe of splitting, somthing that Tsipras knows and fears far more than the impact of coming into conflict with the church.

[CTALNH]

New Democracy seems like the only reasonable alternative in that country of weird parties.

I won't blame SYRIZA or Golden Dawn for their extremism though. Greece will never manage to pay back that debt.

Would personally choose Golden Dawn out of the two though.

Yes who doesn't like civil wars right?

[Southern Hampshire]

New Democracy seems like the only reasonable alternative in that country of weird parties.

I won't blame SYRIZA or Golden Dawn for their extremism though. Greece will never manage to pay back that debt.

Would personally choose Golden Dawn out of the two though.

Yes who doesn't like civil wars right?

true i love them

[Teemant]

I wonder how much of that secularization business will be actually implemented after Tsipras got all buddy-cozy with the Greek Orthodox Church.

He did not, you forget that he still remains an atheist who is married in a civic marriage and has openly declared that the church estates should be taxed. The fact that he attends socio-religious gatherings is more, or less a must for every Greek politician and not nessecarily an indicator of their agenda ...if I had a penny for every communist that attended Theophaneia I'd be rich.

They want that cheap popularity I assume.

[Camelza]

He did not, you forget that he still remains an atheist who is married in a civic marriage and has openly declared that the church estates should be taxed. The fact that he attends socio-religious gatherings is more, or less a must for every Greek politician and not nessecarily an indicator of their agenda ...if I had a penny for every communist that attended Theophaneia I'd be rich.

They want that cheap popularity I assume.

It's more of a traditional social gathering, you don't have to be an orthodox to attend it. But, yes, I guess.

[Baltenstein]

Newest poll from Greece's biggest newspaper To Vima:

SYRIZA: 28,1
New Democracy: 25,5
Potami: 6,5
Golden Dawn: 5,4
PASOK: 5,2
KKE: 5
KIDISO: 2,8
ANEL: 2,6

Kinda surprized at Papandreou's low performance, I thought he could at least tie with PASOK.

Two weeks until the elections.

With the current poll, a Syriza-Potami coalition seems the most likely.

[Teemant]

Newest poll from Greece's biggest newspaper To Vima:

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SYRIZA: 28,1
New Democracy: 25,5
Potami: 6,5
Golden Dawn: 5,4
PASOK: 5,2
KKE: 5
KIDISO: 2,8
ANEL: 2,6

Kinda surprized at Papandreou's low performance, I thought he could at least tie with PASOK.

Two weeks until the elections.

With the current poll, a Syriza-Potami coalition seems the most likely.

How is it likely if they don't have majority combined.

[Baltenstein]

I didn't say they would succeed in the first round of elections. Frankly, I think entering a second round will be a given.

[Baltenstein]

The Guardian did a piece with some relevant numbers and stats for the elections.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... in-numbers

[Flaming Soul Forces]

I would vote for Syriza. It seems that even if it becomes the biggest party in the parliament it would be difficult to form a government. I saw Tsipras' interview with Chatzinicolaou saying that he expects some kind of support from KKE. In any case I hope that they will form a leftist coalition and end this idiotic austerity

[Martean]

The Guardian did a piece with some relevant numbers and stats for the elections.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablo ... in-numbers

There is also a very good Spanish documentary made by La Sexta called payment or revolt in Greece that is a very accurate piece of what Greece was living during June, 2012 (after the first 'round' of the Greek election had failed to give a majority to any party)

it was done during June 2012, but it seems nothing has changed... and sadly, many things said there now apply to Spain.

[CTALNH]

So can anyone totally help me if golden dawn takes over and let me stay at their house until I get a job and an apartment?

[Bandwagon]

SYRIZA!
The Irish people all want Greece to have a SYRIZA government because it increases the possibility of us getting a debt deal.

[CTALNH]

SYRIZA!
The Irish people all want Greece to have a SYRIZA government because it increases the possibility of us getting a debt deal.

And my country making golden dawn the next government...

[Liberty and Linguistics]

SYRIZA!
The Irish people all want Greece to have a SYRIZA government because it increases the possibility of us getting a debt deal.

No, it won't. SYRIZA will harm Greece, which could have negative effects on Ireland. Ireland has recovered from the recession, and is now doing alright, so why would you want it to waste money while in debt? After all, that's what got the Southern European countries in their mess.

[Martean]

SYRIZA!
The Irish people all want Greece to have a SYRIZA government because it increases the possibility of us getting a debt deal.

No, it won't. SYRIZA will harm Greece, which could have negative effects on Ireland. Ireland has recovered from the recession, and is now doing alright, so why would you want it to waste money while in debt? After all, that's what got the Southern European countries in their mess.

Because ND-PASOK and Troika's policies haven't harmed Greece, right?

[Liberty and Linguistics]

No, it won't. SYRIZA will harm Greece, which could have negative effects on Ireland. Ireland has recovered from the recession, and is now doing alright, so why would you want it to waste money while in debt? After all, that's what got the Southern European countries in their mess.

Because ND-PASOK and Troika's policies haven't harmed Greece, right?

They have, for certain. But, that doesn't address my argument. Rather, it implies that I said they're fine, which I never said. Don't create strawmen, it's not appreciated.

[The Conez Imperium]

What, why are are so many people voting Golden Dawn?

[Atlanticatia]

By my estimates the following would happen:

SYRIZA wins a plurality of 35%, winning 88 seats/250, so it will also get the 50 extra seats.

That gives it 138 seats out of 300, or 46%.

It would then have to be supported by another party, who would need to get at-least 5% of the vote to make a majority. So if KKE, for example, gets 5.5% of the vote, they'll get 14 MPs.

If KKE and SYRIZA go into this hypothetical coalition, that gives them 152 seats.

152 seats would allow the hypothetical SYRIZA-KKE coalition to govern with a majority.

The same goes for PASOK, if Syriza goes with a centre-left partner and PASOK ends up actually getting above 5%. (although, that is debatable)


Is my understanding of the Greek electoral system correct?

[Baltenstein]

By my estimates the following would happen:

SYRIZA wins a plurality of 35%, winning 88 seats/250, so it will also get the 50 extra seats.

That gives it 138 seats out of 300, or 46%.

It would then have to be supported by another party, who would need to get at-least 5% of the vote to make a majority. So if KKE, for example, gets 5.5% of the vote, they'll get 14 MPs.

If KKE and SYRIZA go into this hypothetical coalition, that gives them 152 seats.

152 seats would allow the hypothetical SYRIZA-KKE coalition to govern with a majority.

The same goes for PASOK, if Syriza goes with a centre-left partner and PASOK ends up actually getting above 5%. (although, that is debatable)


Is my understanding of the Greek electoral system correct?

Pretty much, except a Syriza-KKE coalition is pretty unlikely.

My money is still on Syriza-Potami.

[Untaroicht]

Golden Dawn baby! Desperate times call for desperate measures, and we need to fight back the incoming tide of turkish mongrel scum.

[The Conez Imperium]

Golden Dawn baby! Desperate times call for desperate measures, and we need to fight back the incoming tide of turkish mongrel scum.

Remove kebab? Care to explain why you support such a racist party?

[Baltenstein]

Golden Dawn baby! Desperate times call for desperate measures, and we need to fight back the incoming tide of turkish mongrel scum.

Clearly the most pressing of Greece's issues right now.