New Greek elections

[Baltenstein]

Actually, their support has almost halfed sinced 2012. The Endsieg has to wait.

The pools show otherwise.
I'm on phone can give you links but the most of what I saw give them more than 10%

If you're getting your numbers from "pools", that would explain quite a lot.

what's the Greek term for "Übermensch"?

Hyperanthropos.

[Sol Nascente]

The pools show otherwise.
I'm on phone can give you links but the most of what I saw give them more than 10%

I long for the day when NS polls actually reflect national (and international) opinions

It's some newspapers polls not some GD ones.

[European Socialist Republic]

The pools show otherwise.
I'm on phone can give you links but the most of what I saw give them more than 10%

I long for the day when NS polls actually reflect national (and international) opinions

And plunge Greece in a civil war between commies and nazis? Nooooo, thank you sir!

[Margno]

Fuck, how did we get 64 votes for the Golden Dawn?

[Valaran]

I long for the day when NS polls actually reflect national (and international) opinions

And plunge Greece in a civil war between commies and nazis? Nooooo, thank you sir!

This would be an exception. Usually the results are pretty favourable

[Sol Nascente]

The pools show otherwise.
I'm on phone can give you links but the most of what I saw give them more than 10%

If you're getting your numbers from "pools", that would explain quite a lot.

what's the Greek term for "Übermensch"?

Hyperanthropos.

I'm on the phone so it's harder to write correctly.

[Shofercia]

Czech president Milos Zeman said that Greece should be excluded from the Eurozone. Why he feels the need to contribute to the discussion, I have no idea.

He's a leader of a country that's, oh wait, that was smart enough to not accept the Euro

Probably because you two are talking out of your asses?

No. Because it make sense. There is little to no difference between far left and far right.

Not really. Far left is open to all. Far right is not. Kind of a big difference.

Really?

Yes. Well your username is Stalin for example. Only difference between Hitler and Stalin (far right and far left) was that one hated jews and gypsies but the other one hated everyone.

So Stalin started WWII by being invaded?

See, this, is yet another example why we all need better education funding for real education, not Faux News.

Really how can I not laugh with your generalizations?

1. Personality cult? Check
2. One party? Check
3. Powerful politically motivated police? Check.
4. Nationalization of econom? Check. In Germany it was little bit different but still.
5. Concentration and forced labour camps? Check.
6. No human rights? Check.
7. No freedom of speech, expression? Check.
8. Military as number 1? Check.

I'd say there are many similarities.

That could be said for any harsh dictator. Would you also equate Francisco Franco with that?

They're Neo-Nazis. What do you expect?

Their Stupid Neo nazis there is a difference.

Smart neo nazis are the FN in france...

FN aren't Neo Nazis. They're kicking out those who are Neo Nazis. FN is more like UKIP, not like the Brits' stupid "White Powah" party, what the fuck are they called, I forgot. Used to be a source of comedy for NSG for quite a while. Oh, right, the BNP.

But I thought they were "flower-power neo-nazis", neo-nazis that, like Le-apen in France, have watered down their programme, although their ideals remain the same, they don't say it outloud.

Anyway, this far-right surge in Greece isn't new, right? I think you had the LAOS party some years ago, too

The LAOS party was more along the lines of Marine Le Pen - mainly made up of grumpy conservatives.

Golden Dawn is highly militant and radicalized. They try to appear moderate, but photos and reports of them receiving paramilitary training and endulging in Nazi Paganist like rituals are made public all the time.
There's also a ton of articles and quotes of the current party leaders expressing their admiration for the 3rd Reich. Party spokesman Ilias Kasidiaris even has a Swastika tattoo on his arm.

The "we may do the Hitler salute" part is probably not helping their campaign. And yes, that's part of their official slogan.

It looks like Papandreou's new party name will be "Movement of Democratic Socialists" or KIDISO, for short.

Papandreou obviously knows that true champs have three syllables in their name - not two like those puny losers from PASOK and DIMAR.

PASOK and DIMAR are puny losers

[Olerand]

PASOK and DIMAR are puny losers

Who will hopefully have no seats in the coming parliament. With POTAMI and Papandreou's new party, I can now seriously hope PASOK is going to be eliminated from the national scene.

[Patria Magna]

Czech president Milos Zeman said that Greece should be excluded from the Eurozone. Why he feels the need to contribute to the discussion, I have no idea.

He's a leader of a country that's, oh wait, that was smart enough to not accept the Euro

No. Because it make sense. There is little to no difference between far left and far right.

Not really. Far left is open to all. Far right is not. Kind of a big difference.

Yes. Well your username is Stalin for example. Only difference between Hitler and Stalin (far right and far left) was that one hated jews and gypsies but the other one hated everyone.

So Stalin started WWII by being invaded?

See, this, is yet another example why we all need better education funding for real education, not Faux News.

1. Personality cult? Check
2. One party? Check
3. Powerful politically motivated police? Check.
4. Nationalization of econom? Check. In Germany it was little bit different but still.
5. Concentration and forced labour camps? Check.
6. No human rights? Check.
7. No freedom of speech, expression? Check.
8. Military as number 1? Check.

I'd say there are many similarities.

That could be said for any harsh dictator. Would you also equate Francisco Franco with that?

Their Stupid Neo nazis there is a difference.

Smart neo nazis are the FN in france...

FN aren't Neo Nazis. They're kicking out those who are Neo Nazis. FN is more like UKIP, not like the Brits' stupid "White Powah" party, what the fuck are they called, I forgot. Used to be a source of comedy for NSG for quite a while. Oh, right, the BNP.

The LAOS party was more along the lines of Marine Le Pen - mainly made up of grumpy conservatives.

Golden Dawn is highly militant and radicalized. They try to appear moderate, but photos and reports of them receiving paramilitary training and endulging in Nazi Paganist like rituals are made public all the time.
There's also a ton of articles and quotes of the current party leaders expressing their admiration for the 3rd Reich. Party spokesman Ilias Kasidiaris even has a Swastika tattoo on his arm.

The "we may do the Hitler salute" part is probably not helping their campaign. And yes, that's part of their official slogan.

It looks like Papandreou's new party name will be "Movement of Democratic Socialists" or KIDISO, for short.

Papandreou obviously knows that true champs have three syllables in their name - not two like those puny losers from PASOK and DIMAR.

PASOK and DIMAR are puny losers

Last time I checked, Stalin killed off Ukrainians and attacked the Finns, Poles, Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians. Either the far left is racist and belligerent, or it doesn't exist.

[Threlizdun]

He's a leader of a country that's, oh wait, that was smart enough to not accept the Euro




Not really. Far left is open to all. Far right is not. Kind of a big difference.




So Stalin started WWII by being invaded?

See, this, is yet another example why we all need better education funding for real education, not Faux News.




That could be said for any harsh dictator. Would you also equate Francisco Franco with that?




FN aren't Neo Nazis. They're kicking out those who are Neo Nazis. FN is more like UKIP, not like the Brits' stupid "White Powah" party, what the fuck are they called, I forgot. Used to be a source of comedy for NSG for quite a while. Oh, right, the BNP.




The "we may do the Hitler salute" part is probably not helping their campaign. And yes, that's part of their official slogan.




PASOK and DIMAR are puny losers

Last time I checked, Stalin killed off Ukrainians and attacked the Finns, Poles, Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians. Either the far left is racist and belligerent, or it doesn't exist.

Or you know, Stalin was a power-hungry sociopath that wasn't actually a leftist. Of course, even if he was a leftist, which his actions speak completely against, I don't see how the hell you could possibly conclude that because one individual was racist and belligerent it means that everyone remotely close to them on the political landscape must be.

[Shofercia]

Last time I checked, Stalin killed off Ukrainians and attacked the Finns, Poles, Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians. Either the far left is racist and belligerent, or it doesn't exist.

Or you know, Stalin was a power-hungry sociopath that wasn't actually a leftist. Of course, even if he was a leftist, which his actions speak completely against, I don't see how the hell you could possibly conclude that because one individual was racist and belligerent it means that everyone remotely close to them on the political landscape must be.

Stalin deports Chechens because they burned his home town of Gori = all leftists are totally racist!!! /Faux News Logic.

Last time I checked, Stalin killed off Ukrainians and attacked the Finns, Poles, Estonians, Latvians, and Lithuanians. Either the far left is racist and belligerent, or it doesn't exist.

Stalin's Collectivization policies led to numerous deaths in a certain region of the USSR. However, the people who died in said region due to hunger, were not killed for their ethnicity. Finland was attacked for Vyborg, because Stalin rightly feared that a quick push by pro-Nazi Finnish government might take Leningrad, and Vyborg bought the Red Army the time that it needed to save Leningrad from falling. And the Baltic States were a part of the Russian Empire until just a few decades ago, which constituted part of the Russian Empire in Stalin's eyes. But haters are going to imagine racism, even where it doesn't exist. Furthermore, when it came to ethnic crimes of Stalin, i.e. the Chechens, (interestingly enough reviving Russo-Chechen hatred is a fave project of Western media's darling Navalny,) it was deportation, as opposed to killing off 80 to 90 percent of an ethnicity that he found undesirable, unlike Hitler, who pretty much wasted the Jews in Nazi Germany and Poland. Now that you know the facts, can you please get the fuck back on topic?

[Xianghai]

Fuck, how did we get 64 votes for the Golden Dawn?

Because the Internet is home to trolls, Nazis, and Nazi trolls.

[MERIZoC]

Fuck, how did we get 64 votes for the Golden Dawn?

Because the Internet is home to trolls, Nazis, and Nazi trolls.

And neonazi puppets.

[Chestaan]

Pretty much this.

No to austerity, no to racism, no to neo-liberalism. I can get behind all of that.

They're going to fail. And I am positive they know this too. Why launch this misadventure in the first place is my question.

Well I am hoping that they are trying their best to stand up for the ordinary workers in Greece and get the EU to layoff the austerity. The EU will probably destroy that idea, but that will likely only increase their support. Think of the image, SYRIZA leads little Greece in it's battle against the big bad EU that wants to fuck Greece over.

[Olerand]

They're going to fail. And I am positive they know this too. Why launch this misadventure in the first place is my question.

Well I am hoping that they are trying their best to stand up for the ordinary workers in Greece and get the EU to layoff the austerity. The EU will probably destroy that idea, but that will likely only increase their support. Think of the image, SYRIZA leads little Greece in it's battle against the big bad EU that wants to fuck Greece over.

If they want to stand up to the EU, that means getting kicked out of the Euro, and having to finance themselves directly on the market.

They won't do that. They'll comply. And their popularity isn't going to rise for their brand of austerity with a sad-face, as all other center-left European parties are doing.

[Icelandic Mafia]

Generally, I dislike it when people say "all the political parties in x country are shit!" It comes across as silly and edgy. But, Greece is the exception, since there are no good options, just "least worst options." And, that least worst option is whatever the fuck George Papandreou's new party is.

[MERIZoC]

Generally, I dislike it when people say "all the political parties in x country are shit!" It comes across as silly and edgy. But, Greece is the exception, since there are no good options, just "least worst options." And, that least worst option is whatever the fuck George Papandreou's new party is.

The best party is the one that's a complete political ploy?

[Icelandic Mafia]

Generally, I dislike it when people say "all the political parties in x country are shit!" It comes across as silly and edgy. But, Greece is the exception, since there are no good options, just "least worst options." And, that least worst option is whatever the fuck George Papandreou's new party is.

The best party is the one that's a complete political ploy?

Honestly? Yes. That's how fucked Greece is right now.

[Shilya]

Well I am hoping that they are trying their best to stand up for the ordinary workers in Greece and get the EU to layoff the austerity. The EU will probably destroy that idea, but that will likely only increase their support. Think of the image, SYRIZA leads little Greece in it's battle against the big bad EU that wants to fuck Greece over.

If they want to stand up to the EU, that means getting kicked out of the Euro, and having to finance themselves directly on the market.

They won't do that. They'll comply. And their popularity isn't going to rise for their brand of austerity with a sad-face, as all other center-left European parties are doing.

I'm pretty sure it's not possible to kick someone out of the Euro. Those treaties weren't made for easy revertability.

Though they would have to finance themselves on the markets, or completely default and attempt to make-do with whatever is possible without outside support. There have been quite a few ideas regarding on how it would be possible to do that, and I'm not qualified enough to say which of them would or wouldn't work, but it may be possible.

[Olerand]

If they want to stand up to the EU, that means getting kicked out of the Euro, and having to finance themselves directly on the market.

They won't do that. They'll comply. And their popularity isn't going to rise for their brand of austerity with a sad-face, as all other center-left European parties are doing.

I'm pretty sure it's not possible to kick someone out of the Euro. Those treaties weren't made for easy revertability.

Though they would have to finance themselves on the markets, or completely default and attempt to make-do with whatever is possible without outside support. There have been quite a few ideas regarding on how it would be possible to do that, and I'm not qualified enough to say which of them would or wouldn't work, but it may be possible.

The treaties can change. According to Berlin, they will.

Sure. Both would lead to a bailout from the IMF alone, which means the current austerity measures, and then some too.

[Shilya]

I'm pretty sure it's not possible to kick someone out of the Euro. Those treaties weren't made for easy revertability.

Though they would have to finance themselves on the markets, or completely default and attempt to make-do with whatever is possible without outside support. There have been quite a few ideas regarding on how it would be possible to do that, and I'm not qualified enough to say which of them would or wouldn't work, but it may be possible.

The treaties can change. According to Berlin, they will.

Can't change them without all members giving their OK.

Sure. Both would lead to a bailout from the IMF alone, which means the current austerity measures, and then some too.

Wait, what? How the hell would "Greece does it alone, or only with the market" mean that?

[Olerand]

]Can't change them without all members giving their OK.

Wait, what? How the hell would "Greece does it alone, or only with the market" mean that?

All of the members, minus Greece, are on board. A way can be found, Greece won't get out of austerity and keep the Euro, it literally cannot happen. Brussels and Berlin will not allow it.

Does Greece plan on continuing to function afterwards? Or will its expenses be funded by magic after it declares bankruptcy? Or will Greece only spend as much as it has? The market will deliver it nada after it declares bankruptcy. Then it's up to the IMF.

[Islamic State of UKIP]

Well I am hoping that they are trying their best to stand up for the ordinary workers in Greece and get the EU to layoff the austerity. The EU will probably destroy that idea, but that will likely only increase their support. Think of the image, SYRIZA leads little Greece in it's battle against the big bad EU that wants to fuck Greece over.

If they want to stand up to the EU, that means getting kicked out of the Euro, and having to finance themselves directly on the market.

They won't do that. They'll comply. And their popularity isn't going to rise for their brand of austerity with a sad-face, as all other center-left European parties are doing.

I don't see Greece complying completely, but I don't see them leaving either. Greece was just recently added to the wave of anti-EU and anti-austerity elections. The EU will probably be forced to weaken the current austerity policies for the entire EU because there is no way in hell Brussels can stand up to Greece, Portugal, the U.K., Denmark, and Spain in such a short time period. All of these nations are poised to see anti-EU and anti-austerity parties make huge gains, if not outright control the government or the balance of power of government. Merkel talks tough, but at the end of the days she's just the joke of Europe.

[CTALNH]

Generally, I dislike it when people say "all the political parties in x country are shit!" It comes across as silly and edgy. But, Greece is the exception, since there are no good options, just "least worst options." And, that least worst option is whatever the fuck George Papandreou's new party is.

Because he has taken bribes from the Icelandic mafia?

[Teemant]

Czech president Milos Zeman said that Greece should be excluded from the Eurozone. Why he feels the need to contribute to the discussion, I have no idea.

He's a leader of a country that's, oh wait, that was smart enough to not accept the Euro

No. Because it make sense. There is little to no difference between far left and far right.

Not really. Far left is open to all. Far right is not. Kind of a big difference.

Yes. Well your username is Stalin for example. Only difference between Hitler and Stalin (far right and far left) was that one hated jews and gypsies but the other one hated everyone.

So Stalin started WWII by being invaded?

See, this, is yet another example why we all need better education funding for real education, not Faux News.

1. Personality cult? Check
2. One party? Check
3. Powerful politically motivated police? Check.
4. Nationalization of econom? Check. In Germany it was little bit different but still.
5. Concentration and forced labour camps? Check.
6. No human rights? Check.
7. No freedom of speech, expression? Check.
8. Military as number 1? Check.

I'd say there are many similarities.

That could be said for any harsh dictator. Would you also equate Francisco Franco with that?

Their Stupid Neo nazis there is a difference.

Smart neo nazis are the FN in france...

FN aren't Neo Nazis. They're kicking out those who are Neo Nazis. FN is more like UKIP, not like the Brits' stupid "White Powah" party, what the fuck are they called, I forgot. Used to be a source of comedy for NSG for quite a while. Oh, right, the BNP.

The LAOS party was more along the lines of Marine Le Pen - mainly made up of grumpy conservatives.

Golden Dawn is highly militant and radicalized. They try to appear moderate, but photos and reports of them receiving paramilitary training and endulging in Nazi Paganist like rituals are made public all the time.
There's also a ton of articles and quotes of the current party leaders expressing their admiration for the 3rd Reich. Party spokesman Ilias Kasidiaris even has a Swastika tattoo on his arm.

The "we may do the Hitler salute" part is probably not helping their campaign. And yes, that's part of their official slogan.

It looks like Papandreou's new party name will be "Movement of Democratic Socialists" or KIDISO, for short.

Papandreou obviously knows that true champs have three syllables in their name - not two like those puny losers from PASOK and DIMAR.

PASOK and DIMAR are puny losers

World War 2 was started by Nazi Germany and Soviet Union. Molotov Ribbentrop pact. WW2 started with an attack on Poland!

I don't know much about Franco besides he was Spanish.