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Which party do you support in the upcoming Greek elections

Syriza
207
41%
PASOK
8
2%
New Democracy
73
14%
Golden Dawn
109
22%
Potami
15
3%
Dimar
13
3%
KKE
35
7%
ANEL
9
2%
None of the above
35
7%
 
Total votes : 504

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Martean
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Postby Martean » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:23 pm

Stasnov wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:It looks like Papandreou's new party name will be "Movement of Democratic Socialists" or KIDISO, for short.

Papandreou obviously knows that true champs have three syllables in their name - not two like those puny losers from PASOK and DIMAR.


Actually, PASOK has three syllabes xD

Πανελλήνιο Σοσιαλιστικό Κίνημα, Panhellenic Socialist Movement


But you pronounce it "PA-SOK"
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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:24 pm

Stasnov wrote:
Martean wrote:
They will enter the parliament... not like ANEL or PASOK 8)


Still, they refuse to do antything

True but I am not about to vote some damned opportunists like syriza no matter how much I dislike kke.
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Commonwealth of Hank the Cat
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Postby Commonwealth of Hank the Cat » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:26 pm

Please tell me, on the Poll, the 62 people who voted for Golden Dawn are being sarcastic.

Please.

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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:26 pm

CTALNH wrote:
Martean wrote:
But I thought they were "flower-power neo-nazis", neo-nazis that, like Le-pen in France, have watered down their programme, although their ideals remain the same, they don't say it outloud.

Anyway, this far-right surge in Greece isn't new, right? I think you had the LAOS party some years ago, too

But I thought they were "flower-power neo-nazis", neo-nazis that, like Le-pen in France, have watered down their programme, although their ideals remain the same, they don't say it outloud.

You just described LAOS.

National conservatives and the radical right aren't fascism and Nazism and the far-right. Amalgamating the two only leads to confusion when the actual far-right, like Golden Dawn, arises.
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CTALNH
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Postby CTALNH » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:29 pm

Olerand wrote:
CTALNH wrote:But I thought they were "flower-power neo-nazis", neo-nazis that, like Le-pen in France, have watered down their programme, although their ideals remain the same, they don't say it outloud.

You just described LAOS.

National conservatives and the radical right aren't fascism and Nazism and the far-right. Amalgamating the two only leads to confusion when the actual far-right, like Golden Dawn, arises.

Though their pricks nontheless
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Stasnov
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Founded: Mar 16, 2014
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Postby Stasnov » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:34 pm

Martean wrote:
Stasnov wrote:
Still, they refuse to do antything


Yeah, I know, I don't think Tsipras even counts them as allies, or that they will support him as president. He hopes to get 151 MPs at least.


Well, the KKE refuses to ally with anyone xD
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Vestr-Norig
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Postby Vestr-Norig » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:35 pm

How come so many here supports the Golden Dawn? Surely there aren't that many national socialist here?

Being relatively unfamiliar with Greek politics, I wonder if there are parties in Greece deeply rooted in the rural parts of Greece, farmer's parties or something alike? As of now I would support the Coalition of the Radical Left, possibly based on ignorance, but they seem to me to be the better alternative.
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European Socialist Republic
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:38 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:How come so many here supports the Golden Dawn. Surely there aren't that many national socialist here?

Lots of puppets? I can't think of any other explanation?
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Xianghai
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Founded: Dec 10, 2014
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Postby Xianghai » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:40 pm

Dejanic wrote:Syriza because they're the only credible party that isn't insane (KKE, Golden Dawn, etc) or extremely fiscally right wing and infavour of harsh austerity.


Pretty much this.

No to austerity, no to racism, no to neo-liberalism. I can get behind all of that.

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Baltenstein
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Founded: Jan 25, 2010
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:40 pm

Vestr-Norig wrote:How come so many here supports the Golden Dawn. Surely there aren't that many national socialist here?

Being relatively unfamiliar with Greek politics, I wonder if there are parties in Greece deeply rooted in the rural parts of Greece, farmer's parties or something alike? As of now I would support the Coalition of the Radical Left, possibly based on ignorance, but they seem to me to be the better alternative.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Regional_Union

They're not very popular though. There's also the hunters party:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Greek_Hunters
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Olerand
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Postby Olerand » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:41 pm

Xianghai wrote:
Dejanic wrote:Syriza because they're the only credible party that isn't insane (KKE, Golden Dawn, etc) or extremely fiscally right wing and infavour of harsh austerity.


Pretty much this.

No to austerity, no to racism, no to neo-liberalism. I can get behind all of that.

They're going to fail. And I am positive they know this too. Why launch this misadventure in the first place is my question.
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Sol Nascente
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Founded: Mar 31, 2013
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Postby Sol Nascente » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:42 pm

I hope GD get's second place and after a while of Syriza failure governmency GD will get to power and restaure Greece national pride.

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European Socialist Republic
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:44 pm

Sol Nascente wrote:I hope GD get's second place and after a while of Syriza failure governmency GD will get to power and restaure Greece national pride.

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Cosmopolitan: 71%
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Visionary: 62%
Anarchistic: 43%
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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:45 pm

Sol Nascente wrote:I hope GD get's second place and after a while of Syriza failure governmency GD will get to power and restaure Greece national pride.



Would you know where the other 62 of you on here are by any chance?

National pride..... is not normally my number one concern when voting. Or even my number 10. I'd prefer national humility.
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Baltenstein
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:46 pm

Sol Nascente wrote:I hope GD get's second place and after a while of Syriza failure governmency GD will get to power and restaure Greece national pride.


Yes I will be very proud when they turn my country into a poor man's Nazi Germany. Not.

Thankfully, that day will never come.
O'er the hills and o'er the main.
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain.
King George commands and we obey.
Over the hills and far away.


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The Leodensian Republic
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Postby The Leodensian Republic » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:47 pm

CTALNH wrote:
The Leodensian Republic wrote:Ever heard of the horseshoe theory?

Said the dude that mistook my for a muslim....

Enjoy your ad hominems, kiddo.

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Vestr-Norig
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Postby Vestr-Norig » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:48 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:How come so many here supports the Golden Dawn. Surely there aren't that many national socialist here?

Being relatively unfamiliar with Greek politics, I wonder if there are parties in Greece deeply rooted in the rural parts of Greece, farmer's parties or something alike? As of now I would support the Coalition of the Radical Left, possibly based on ignorance, but they seem to me to be the better alternative.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Regional_Union

They're not very popular though. There's also the hunters party:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_Greek_Hunters

The Democratic Regional Union do sound relatively interesting, yet, their support is staggering low, and the information I am able to find about them is as narrow as their number of supporters.
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Sol Nascente
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Postby Sol Nascente » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:49 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Sol Nascente wrote:I hope GD get's second place and after a while of Syriza failure governmency GD will get to power and restaure Greece national pride.


Yes I will be very proud when they turn my country into a poor man's Nazi Germany. Not.

Thankfully, that day will never come.

More people are voting for GD so that day might come sooner than you think.

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Vestr-Norig
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Postby Vestr-Norig » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:50 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Vestr-Norig wrote:How come so many here supports the Golden Dawn. Surely there aren't that many national socialist here?

Lots of puppets? I can't think of any other explanation?

Can you vote with puppet nations? That would be a dreadful thing to be able to do, seeing as it so easily could corrupt polls such as this.
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Baltenstein
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:51 pm

Sol Nascente wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Yes I will be very proud when they turn my country into a poor man's Nazi Germany. Not.

Thankfully, that day will never come.

More people are voting for GD so that day might come sooner than you think.


Actually, their support has almost halfed sinced 2012. The Endsieg has to wait.
O'er the hills and o'er the main.
Through Flanders, Portugal and Spain.
King George commands and we obey.
Over the hills and far away.


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European Socialist Republic
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Founded: Apr 09, 2013
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:51 pm

Sol Nascente wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Yes I will be very proud when they turn my country into a poor man's Nazi Germany. Not.

Thankfully, that day will never come.

More people are voting for GD so that day might come sooner than you think.

Never is coming soon?
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Cosmopolitan: 71%
Secular: 80%
Visionary: 62%
Anarchistic: 43%
Communistic: 78%
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European Socialist Republic
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:53 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Sol Nascente wrote:More people are voting for GD so that day might come sooner than you think.


Actually, their support has almost halfed sinced 2012. The Endsieg has to wait.

Bah, they don't need numbers because they're... what's the Greek term for "Übermensch"?
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Cosmopolitan: 71%
Secular: 80%
Visionary: 62%
Anarchistic: 43%
Communistic: 78%
Pacifist: 40%
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Postby The Leodensian Republic » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:54 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:
Sol Nascente wrote:More people are voting for GD so that day might come sooner than you think.

Never is coming soon?

Would a socialist or communist Greece strengthen other anti-capitalist parties across Europe (or even around Earth)?

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Sol Nascente
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Postby Sol Nascente » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:54 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Sol Nascente wrote:More people are voting for GD so that day might come sooner than you think.


Actually, their support has almost halfed sinced 2012. The Endsieg has to wait.

The pools show otherwise.
I'm on phone can't give you links but the most of what I saw give them more than 10%
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Valaran
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Postby Valaran » Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:55 pm

Sol Nascente wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Actually, their support has almost halfed sinced 2012. The Endsieg has to wait.

The pools show otherwise.
I'm on phone can give you links but the most of what I saw give them more than 10%



I long for the day when NS polls actually reflect national (and international) opinions :lol:

And if you mean other polls, looks at their margins of error.
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