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Which party do you support in the upcoming Greek elections

Syriza
207
41%
PASOK
8
2%
New Democracy
73
14%
Golden Dawn
109
22%
Potami
15
3%
Dimar
13
3%
KKE
35
7%
ANEL
9
2%
None of the above
35
7%
 
Total votes : 504

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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:13 pm

Gezi Park wrote:Syriza third on Turkey Trends, people envy the left-wing victory in our neighbour. Hopefully we'll follow your way this summer.

Good luck with that.

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Esperantujo 2
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Postby Esperantujo 2 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:13 pm

Victory! I hope Syriza succeeds. Austerity has just enpoverished the poor and enriched the rich.

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Postby Greater-London » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:15 pm

Kenora County wrote:I know. What makes me sad is that those people who support Syriza aren't even Greek, they won't have to suffer the consequences of their policies.


The Greek's aren't suffering already? No matter the outcome of this election the Greek people are going to suffer horrendously. Of the things that Greece needs to do to fix its economy the most important is to control its own currency. That involves leaving the Euro and Syriza will make a Gr-exit much more likely, either voluntarily or they will be pushed.
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Pooria
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Postby Pooria » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:15 pm

fun fact: i good way to piss off a neo nazi greek is to call konstantinople istanbull i ve done it and it worked every time
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Postby Constantinopolis » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:18 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Constantinopolis wrote:*high-fives Baltenstein from a few borders away* :clap:

Just this once, because of this emotional moment tonight in Greece, I'm going to give into sentimentality and post this.

You need to give into sentimentality more often, my comrade. How can we keep up the good fight if we do not keep our spirits up? Generations before us have lived, fought and died for justice, for equality, for the cause of the working class and the unity of all Humankind.

Yes yes, when you look at the details, all politics is messy, there are shades of grey, there are plenty of reasons to be sober (if not pessimistic) about each and every given situation. But fuck that. Long live the class struggle, long live our victories and our heroes! Long live the red flag of unity, justice, and labour!

*walks up to Baltenstein and gives him a bear hug*

See, this is what happens when you give me a link like that and I listed to it on repeat for 10 minutes on max volume...
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Postby Martean » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:19 pm

First we take Athens... then we take Madrid!

Syriza-Podemos, venceremos!
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Postby Kenora County » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:19 pm

Martean wrote:First we take Athens... then we take Madrid!

Syriza-Podemos, venceremos!


and then you get expelled from the Eurozone by Deutschland
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The Huskar Social Union
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:19 pm

Kenora County wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Greece doesn't, and this has been an public issue for quite a while. If the Syriza government could give Greek citizens abroad voting rights, more power to them.


oh, i did not know that. i don't know much about greek politics

Noooooooo... really? Never would have guessed.
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Postby Gezi Park » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:19 pm

Pooria wrote:fun fact: i good way to piss off a neo nazi greek is to call konstantinople istanbull i ve done it and it worked every time


I don't see why they're pissed off both names are Greek.
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Postby Kenora County » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:20 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Kenora County wrote:
oh, i did not know that. i don't know much about greek politics

Noooooooo... really? Never would have guessed.


At least I know enough to know Syriza is a communist party that will ruin Greerce
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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:21 pm

Kenora County wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Noooooooo... really? Never would have guessed.


At least I know enough to know Syriza is a communist party that will ruin Greerce

You see, this is exactly what we mean when we say you don't know anything about greek politics. Though I'm beginning to suspect the fault mostly lies in that you don't know what communism is.

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Martean
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Postby Martean » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:21 pm

Kenora County wrote:
Martean wrote:First we take Athens... then we take Madrid!

Syriza-Podemos, venceremos!


and then you get expelled from the Eurozone by Deutschland


And then you wake up and realize a member state can't get expelled
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Postby Gezi Park » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:22 pm

Kenora County wrote:
Gezi Park wrote:Syriza third on Turkey Trends, people envy the left-wing victory in our neighbour.


hahahaha that's why they voted for based Erdogan , isn't it?


Since the last time I checked Erdogan didn't get %80 or something, and I doubt most of his voters have ever heard of Twitter.
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Pooria
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Postby Pooria » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:23 pm

Gezi Park wrote:
Pooria wrote:fun fact: i good way to piss off a neo nazi greek is to call konstantinople istanbull i ve done it and it worked every time


I don't see why they're pissed off both names are Greek.


ikr!its just that they think that istanbull is something turkik...on i side note a lot of people here hate turks does this happen in turkey too?

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Postby United Provinces of Atlantica » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:24 pm

Hats off to Tsipras and SYRIZA!
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Postby Greater-London » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:24 pm

Merizoc wrote:You see, this is exactly what we mean when we say you don't know anything about greek politics. Though I'm beginning to suspect the fault mostly lies in that you don't know what communism is.


Well some of the constituent parties in SYRIZA are communist parties or democratic socialist ones. I don't think the coalition is "communist" but there are certainly communists within it.
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Postby Great Franconia and Verana » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:24 pm

Reading a little bit of info on the parties, I think I would either vote for PASOK or New Democracy. SYRIZA is a hit far left for my tastes, but I'm hardly an expert on Greek Politics.

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Postby Atlanticatia » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:25 pm

I wonder what this will mean for the so-called 'Washington Consensus' if anti-neoliberalism begins to spread throughout Europe. Could the consensus shatter?
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:25 pm

Greater-London wrote:
Merizoc wrote:You see, this is exactly what we mean when we say you don't know anything about greek politics. Though I'm beginning to suspect the fault mostly lies in that you don't know what communism is.


Well some of the constituent parties in SYRIZA are communist parties or democratic socialist ones. I don't think the coalition is "communist" but there are certainly communists within it.

Well, yes. The majority is definitely not though.

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Postby Ramptonia » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:25 pm

Wonder how long it'll be before Tsipras joins Hollande in doing exactly what Auntie Angela tells him to do.
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Postby Gezi Park » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:25 pm

Pooria wrote:
Gezi Park wrote:
I don't see why they're pissed off both names are Greek.


ikr!its just that they think that istanbull is something turkik...on i side note a lot of people here hate turks does this happen in turkey too?


Some do, some not, but many see Greeks closer to us
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:26 pm

Ramptonia wrote:Wonder how long it'll be before Tsipras joins Hollande in doing exactly what Auntie Angela tells him to do.

Tsipras strikes me as far more dynamic, not to mention radical, than Hollande.

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Postby Parti Ouvrier » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:27 pm

Martean wrote:First we take Athens... then we take Madrid!

Syriza-Podemos, venceremos!

My experience in talking to movementist anti-part Podemos members (they came to my home city for a meeting), is that they are incoherent and a leftish version of Italy's Five Star movement. Btw, bear in mind the Podemos leadership kicked out the Mandelites.

They were well meaning (rank and file members I met), but all over the place politically.
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Postby Atlanticatia » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:27 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Ramptonia wrote:Wonder how long it'll be before Tsipras joins Hollande in doing exactly what Auntie Angela tells him to do.

Tsipras strikes me as far more dynamic, not to mention radical, than Hollande.


Agreed; I think the difference is that Syriza arose as a new party, and Tsipras isn't from an 'establishment' party like PASOK.
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Postby Ramptonia » Sun Jan 25, 2015 2:27 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Ramptonia wrote:Wonder how long it'll be before Tsipras joins Hollande in doing exactly what Auntie Angela tells him to do.

Tsipras strikes me as far more dynamic, not to mention radical, than Hollande.


Until Angela says "That money you need to avoid going bust..."
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