Should "bullycide" be murder?

[Conscentia]

Anything with "-cide" just means "murder of", so yes, regardless of the target.

Does this count as 9?

We should start a tally sheet and add a slash every time someone points that out.

(Off topic: your new sig looks good.)

I counted 8 so far, including me.
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(Thank-you.)

[Meryuma]

If you don't cut your wrists over every problem you're obviously a stupid conformist!

The north remembers ;_;

That's the best summary I've seen to date.

Summary of what?

Pain.

[Italios]

The only reliable way to deal with a bully is violence but unfortunately that carries consequences for the victim, usually eliminating it as an option.

I tried violence a lot. The only time it worked was the first time, which probably explains why I used so much of it later.

Bullies use violence when they bully. Both verbal and physical. In being violent I mean just trying to make them go away less than gentle way which would count as 'violent' in school of the bullying took place here because nowadays everything is violent. If you mean being bully type violent, doesn't that make you a bully too?

[SaintB]

I think manslaughter either voluntary or involuntary depending upon the circumstances would be something that could be provable and fitting.

[Wintanceastre]

First, while I recognise the OP was trying to make a portmanteau of bullying and suicide, as -cide is a suffix denoting the act of killing, bullycide would be the killing of the bully, and not the act of suicide as a result of bullying.

Secondly, as someone who attempted suicide twice when he was younger as a result of bullying, and has battled depression for what is now going on 5 years as a result, I can see why there should be stricter laws against bullying, and perhaps even punishment for those who push someone into suicide. But murder? No, perhaps aggravated manslaughter.

[WestRedMaple]

So round and round, but we're still exactly where we started: bullying is such a broadly used term that it includes everything from acceptable behavior up to violent felonies.

Obviously murder does not apply in any case, since the decision resulting in death was not made by the bully. Below that, just what charges would apply will be extremely dependent on the specific nature of the bullying

[Ifreann]

No.

Just no.

Arbitrary standards on the concepts. Could lead to people giving others jazz on facebook being prosecuted for a degree of it. Speaking of that just about half the online internet trolls could probably face some kind of legal prosecution...

Who else does this sound good to? Show of hands.

[Planita]

Wouldn't manslaughter be more prudent? Murder is outright intentional attack but this is different. I doubt they actually want their victim to die.

[Socialist Czechia]

When I think about it, being a bully is kinda call for suicide itself.

Even when bully isn't part of military.

But I mostly pity them. Such person must be so empty and pitiful inside.

[Ifreann]

Wouldn't manslaughter be more prudent? Murder is outright intentional attack but this is different. I doubt they actually want their victim to die.

They might have.

[Nord Amour]

I agree that manslaughter is a reasonable charge, and the "bullies" should be given some form of rehabilitation as well.

Wouldn't manslaughter be more prudent? Murder is outright intentional attack but this is different. I doubt they actually want their victim to die.

They might have.

Maybe, but it'd be hell trying to prove it.

[Dei Terrare]

First, while I recognise the OP was trying to make a portmanteau of bullying and suicide, as -cide is a suffix denoting the act of killing, bullycide would be the killing of the bully, and not the act of suicide as a result of bullying.

Secondly, as someone who attempted suicide twice when he was younger as a result of bullying, and has battled depression for what is now going on 5 years as a result, I can see why there should be stricter laws against bullying, and perhaps even punishment for those who push someone into suicide. But murder? No, perhaps aggravated manslaughter.

I didn't made the word up.

[Ifreann]

First, while I recognise the OP was trying to make a portmanteau of bullying and suicide, as -cide is a suffix denoting the act of killing, bullycide would be the killing of the bully, and not the act of suicide as a result of bullying.

Secondly, as someone who attempted suicide twice when he was younger as a result of bullying, and has battled depression for what is now going on 5 years as a result, I can see why there should be stricter laws against bullying, and perhaps even punishment for those who push someone into suicide. But murder? No, perhaps aggravated manslaughter.

I didn't made the word up.

Well whoever did should hang their head in shame.

[Dei Terrare]

I didn't made the word up.

Well whoever did should hang their head in shame.

Blame Lady Gaga and Kim Kardashian for using the word. And Neil Marr and Tim Field made up the word.

[Nord Amour]

Well whoever did should hang their head in shame.

Kim Kardashian

This suddenly makes a lot of sense.

[Kuldburg]

I don't think this would be a good idea. And how are you going to ask dead person if he/she was bullied and who did it?

[Blekksprutia]

Bullying itself should be illegal, but no.

[Dei Terrare]

I don't think this would be a good idea. And how are you going to ask dead person if he/she was bullied and who did it?

Suicide notes? Internet conversations? Just look at the Ryan Halligan and Tempest Smith cases.

[Scyobayrynn]

Legally speaking it isnt murder. Period.
It cant be murder. It falls to meet the legal requirements for murder, and if move the goal posts for murder to include suicide incited by bullying then we move the goal posts not just for that specific act but all things that can be said to have comparable criteria.

I agree bullying can be terrible, harmful, damaging in the long term, and indeed even drive an unfortunate few to suicide.

Still not murder.

Can it be a crime?

Yes.

But we need to examine both the acts and law rationally and within the realistic scope of practice. Then we would need to examine incident separately, not some nonsense where if bullying was merely present and suicide occurs then murder charges are filed.


There can and should be a measure of liability, in some cases, not all. But it cant be a blanket thing.

[Camelza]

First of all, "Bullycide" is an awful and misleading term.
Secondly, no, "Bullycide" is not murder as there is no physical, or psychological coercion with the aim of suicide, in which case Bullycide would come under the term of forced suicide which is a form of murder. It could be fined as manslaughter in a court of justice in some cases, but anything other than that is not logical.

[Kuldburg]

I don't think this would be a good idea. And how are you going to ask dead person if he/she was bullied and who did it?

Suicide notes? Internet conversations? Just look at the Ryan Halligan and Tempest Smith cases.

But there may be other reasons as well that people are not aware of.

[The Two Jerseys]

First off, I agree with previous comments that "bullycide" is just a flat-out incorrect term for this.

And no, the bully is not actually killing the victim, so it cannot be murder/manslaughter. The most you can probably get them on is harassment.

[Great Nepal]

First off, I agree with previous comments that "bullycide" is just a flat-out incorrect term for this.

And no, the bully is not actually killing the victim, so it cannot be murder/manslaughter. The most you can probably get them on is harassment.

You give someone who you know to be suicidal a loaded gun, the person pulls and blows their own brains out. Are you guilty of murder (or at least manslaughter) or not?

[The Two Jerseys]

First off, I agree with previous comments that "bullycide" is just a flat-out incorrect term for this.

And no, the bully is not actually killing the victim, so it cannot be murder/manslaughter. The most you can probably get them on is harassment.

You give someone who you know to be suicidal a loaded gun, the person pulls and blows their own brains out. Are you guilty of murder (or at least manslaughter) or not?

No, they're the one that pulled the trigger.

[Wisconsin9]

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I tried violence a lot. The only time it worked was the first time, which probably explains why I used so much of it later.

Bullies use violence when they bully. Both verbal and physical. In being violent I mean just trying to make them go away less than gentle way which would count as 'violent' in school of the bullying took place here because nowadays everything is violent. If you mean being bully type violent, doesn't that make you a bully too?

No. No, it doesn't. "Trying to make them go away less than gentle way" is what I did. When they were picking on me is when I used violence. Usually after several months of it. And it still didn't fucking work.