Should "bullycide" be murder?

[Fortschritte]

Thanks. It was for spinal surgery.

Anyways, to steer this thread back on topic, I'd like to point out that I don't consider bullycide to be murder, since the bully often doesnt intend for the victim to commit suicide. Furthermore, I believe that it'd be hard to determine whether or not that was the intention, unless it was pretty clear. An example would be someone constantly telling another person to "fucking kill themself."

A drunk driver may not mean to hurt anybody, but he's still going to jail for killing that family of four.

I'm aware of that. Which is why I think people who are responsible for someone committing suicide should be charged with manslaughter. Well, in most cases.

[Estva]

Thanks. It was for spinal surgery.

Anyways, to steer this thread back on topic, I'd like to point out that I don't consider bullycide to be murder, since the bully often doesnt intend for the victim to commit suicide. Furthermore, I believe that it'd be hard to determine whether or not that was the intention, unless it was pretty clear. An example would be someone constantly telling another person to "fucking kill themself."

A drunk driver may not mean to hurt anybody, but he's still going to jail for killing that family of four.

That's not a great analogy. The person, through their own volition, chooses death. Unlike a car accident, where I am fairly certain they do not choose death.

[Manisdog]

It means that he would never have the right to order his juniors, never but nobody actually refuses it sooner or later you would find people roaming around in there boxers everywhere without shirts nothing, this would be remembered, but nobody has ever refused, I don't why but it has never happened

You said that anyone who didn't participate, is "the hijara of the batch", and as far as I can tell, that word means that they'd be considered not to be a man, to be instead a transperson.

That's pretty far from being "innocent fun".

It's probably right up there, among the worst forms of bullying.

It is possiblity but as I have said before this has never happened, it all in fun.

Like pretty much everything we had done.

[Estva]

A drunk driver may not mean to hurt anybody, but he's still going to jail for killing that family of four.

I'm aware of that. Which is why I think people who are responsible for someone committing suicide should be charged with manslaughter. Well, in most cases.

So, if I were to say, fire someone, and this causes them to commit suicide, should I be charged with manslaughter?

[Ierm]

Because that is what I implied - everybody is the same -

Yes, it pretty much is. Assuming that everybody can just toughen up is stupid.

The only assumption here is that of the implications you read into my post.

[New Hampshire Republic]

Thanks. It was for spinal surgery.

Anyways, to steer this thread back on topic, I'd like to point out that I don't consider bullycide to be murder, since the bully often doesnt intend for the victim to commit suicide. Furthermore, I believe that it'd be hard to determine whether or not that was the intention, unless it was pretty clear. An example would be someone constantly telling another person to "fucking kill themself."

A drunk driver may not mean to hurt anybody, but he's still going to jail for killing that family of four.

I think there is a difference between smashing a car into a tree and occasionally telling someone Togo "f$%$ themselves"

[Fortschritte]

I'm aware of that. Which is why I think people who are responsible for someone committing suicide should be charged with manslaughter. Well, in most cases.

So, if I were to say, fire someone, and this causes them to commit suicide, should I be charged with manslaughter?

Fair point. I should probably exit this thread for the time being, since I haven't formulated a strong opinion on the matter.

[Estva]

You said that anyone who didn't participate, is "the hijara of the batch", and as far as I can tell, that word means that they'd be considered not to be a man, to be instead a transperson.

That's pretty far from being "innocent fun".

It's probably right up there, among the worst forms of bullying.

It is possiblity but as I have said before this has never happened, it all in fun.

Like pretty much everything we had done.

You are full on admitting that you would ostracize and purposely insult, with the intention of causing emotional harm, someone who rejected your order, which exist solely to assert your authority.

[Ainin]

Maybe at the third degree (voluntary manslaughter).

Anything else is excessive.

[Cerillium]

Ok a question to you guys, I mean why is name calling bullying, I mean I was called a chingoos ( miser) marwari for being a marwari jain, I had a friend who was called loose motion for being clumsy, another friend who was called mad bawa for being a parsi, I mean I saw that video cerrilium posted, I did not understand how is name calling wrong ?

Pet names aren't the same as labels.

The bully targets the person's weakness or defect. They aren't meant affectionately. They're meant to torment the person.

Example: my childhood best friend was called Gyoza (a pot-sticker or dumpling type of food). He was round but good inside. "Hey, Gyoza, come by my house after school. I have that book you wanted to borrow."

That same plump child, if in America, might be called fatass, lardy, tubby, fat fuck etc. "Hey, you like it when I hit you, fat fuck? You like it? Stupid fat fuck. Aw, look, fat fuck's crying!"

[Wisconsin9]

Yes, it pretty much is. Assuming that everybody can just toughen up is stupid.

The only assumption here is that of the implications you read into my post.

You believe whatever you want, mate.

A drunk driver may not mean to hurt anybody, but he's still going to jail for killing that family of four.

I think there is a difference between smashing a car into a tree and occasionally telling someone Togo "f$%$ themselves"

Occasionally telling someone to go fuck themselves doesn't turn a person suicidal. It takes prolonged, severe, and near-constant abuse to do that.

[Scyobayrynn]

Ok a question to you guys, I mean why is name calling bullying, I mean I was called a chingoos ( miser) marwari for being a marwari jain, I had a friend who was called loose motion for being clumsy, another friend who was called mad bawa for being a parsi, I mean I saw that video cerrilium posted, I did not understand how is name calling wrong ?

I could show you but I would be banned.

[Estva]

I think there is a difference between smashing a car into a tree and occasionally telling someone Togo "f$%$ themselves"

Occasionally telling someone to go fuck themselves doesn't turn a person suicidal. It takes prolonged, severe, and near-constant abuse to do that.

People can be suicidal for many reasons. What actually causes them to go over the edge can be many things.

As I said, should I be charged for manslaughter if I fire someone, which causes them to commit suicide? I mean people have killed themselves for this reason many times before.

[Manisdog]

It is possiblity but as I have said before this has never happened, it all in fun.

Like pretty much everything we had done.

You are full on admitting that you would ostracize and purposely insult, with the intention of causing emotional harm, someone who rejected your order, which exist solely to assert your authority.

Not my authority never, it has never happened, I think the entirety of the seniors decide or something, I mean but such things never happened, People enjoyed it, We ensured it was truth or dare with only dares

I enjoyed the fun

[Wisconsin9]

Occasionally telling someone to go fuck themselves doesn't turn a person suicidal. It takes prolonged, severe, and near-constant abuse to do that.

People can be suicidal for many reasons. What actually causes them to go over the edge can be many things.

As I said, should I be charged for manslaughter if I fire someone, which causes them to commit suicide? I mean people have killed themselves for this reason many times before.

Not if you had a good reason to fire them, no.

[Estva]

People can be suicidal for many reasons. What actually causes them to go over the edge can be many things.

As I said, should I be charged for manslaughter if I fire someone, which causes them to commit suicide? I mean people have killed themselves for this reason many times before.

Not if you had a good reason to fire them, no.

Yet I directly caused them to die, just as your drunk driver scenario indicated.

How would you codify this into law, without slamming a lot of other people who don't deserve it?

[Scyobayrynn]

Ok a question to you guys, I mean why is name calling bullying, I mean I was called a chingoos ( miser) marwari for being a marwari jain, I had a friend who was called loose motion for being clumsy, another friend who was called mad bawa for being a parsi, I mean I saw that video cerrilium posted, I did not understand how is name calling wrong ?

Pet names aren't the same as labels.

The bully targets the person's weakness or defect. They aren't meant affectionately. They're meant to torment the person.

Example: my childhood best friend was called Gyoza (a pot-sticker or dumpling type of food). He was round but good inside. "Hey, Gyoza, come by my house after school. I have that book you wanted to borrow."

That same plump child, if in America, might be called fatass, lardy, tubby, fat fuck etc. "Hey, you like it when I hit you, fat fuck? You like it? Stupid fat fuck. Aw, look, fat fuck's crying!"

Whoa whoa, we have pet names in America too, we arent all bullies. But yeah, there is a litany for every conceivable thing a person might be do or say that can brought to bare and used to unleash hell.

[Wisconsin9]

Not if you had a good reason to fire them, no.

Yet I directly caused them to die, just as your drunk driver scenario indicated.

How would you codify this into law, without slamming a lot of other people who don't deserve it?

There's a difference between accidentally driving someone to suicide because you didn't want your business to go under and accidentally driving someone to suicide because your deliberate psychological torture went a little bit farther than you expected.

[Estva]

You are full on admitting that you would ostracize and purposely insult, with the intention of causing emotional harm, someone who rejected your order, which exist solely to assert your authority.

Not my authority never, it has never happened, I think the entirety of the seniors decide or something, I mean but such things never happened, People enjoyed it, We ensured it was truth or dare with only dares

I enjoyed the fun

You "enjoying" doesn't matter, does it? That isn't a defense. You would cast away someone who rejected your orders, that is flat out what you have said. Would someone who rejected what they considered it to be sexual ridicule(regardless of whether or not you think so) be allowed into the group, or ever considered a full member?

[Scyobayrynn]

You are full on admitting that you would ostracize and purposely insult, with the intention of causing emotional harm, someone who rejected your order, which exist solely to assert your authority.

Not my authority never, it has never happened, I think the entirety of the seniors decide or something, I mean but such things never happened, People enjoyed it, We ensured it was truth or dare with only dares

I enjoyed the fun

Such things never happen because people are AFRAID.

[Ainin]

Occasionally telling someone to go fuck themselves doesn't turn a person suicidal. It takes prolonged, severe, and near-constant abuse to do that.

People can be suicidal for many reasons. What actually causes them to go over the edge can be many things.

As I said, should I be charged for manslaughter if I fire someone, which causes them to commit suicide? I mean people have killed themselves for this reason many times before.

There's nothing malicious or intended to cause harm behind firing someone, which cannot easily be said for bullying, which I'd think is malum in se. Is it murder? Absolutely not. Is it enough of an aggravating factor to be (in)voluntary manslaughter? That's debatable, and I'd think yes.

[Estva]

Yet I directly caused them to die, just as your drunk driver scenario indicated.

How would you codify this into law, without slamming a lot of other people who don't deserve it?

There's a difference between accidentally driving someone to suicide because you didn't want your business to go under and accidentally driving someone to suicide because your deliberate psychological torture went a little bit farther than you expected.

And how would you codify this psychological torture without also making it illegal to be an asshole?

[Estva]

People can be suicidal for many reasons. What actually causes them to go over the edge can be many things.

As I said, should I be charged for manslaughter if I fire someone, which causes them to commit suicide? I mean people have killed themselves for this reason many times before.

There's nothing malicious or intended to cause harm behind firing someone, which cannot easily be said for bullying, which I'd think is malum in se. Is it murder? Absolutely not. Is it enough of an aggravating factor to be (in)voluntary manslaughter? That's debatable, and I'd think yes.

So if I insult someone, which is most certainly malicious, and they commit suicide as a result, should I then expect jail time?

[Manisdog]

Not my authority never, it has never happened, I think the entirety of the seniors decide or something, I mean but such things never happened, People enjoyed it, We ensured it was truth or dare with only dares

I enjoyed the fun

Such things never happen because people are AFRAID.

We were juniors too, all of us just laughed it off, I mean for us it was funny, nobody was afraid, nobody was unhappy, it was just fun and games, as I said college life was like truth or dares with only dares as an option

[Great Nepal]

A drunk driver may not mean to hurt anybody, but he's still going to jail for killing that family of four.

That's not a great analogy. The person, through their own volition, chooses death. Unlike a car accident, where I am fairly certain they do not choose death.

If you give a person who I know is suicidal a loaded gun, who then goes on to blow their brains out with that gun you are definitely guilty.