Should "bullycide" be murder?

[Wisconsin9]

This is a non-issue.

Bullying has always happened and will always happen.
Just raise your kids to be thick skinned.

Please allow me to present you with this certificate for not having any fucking clue that not everybody is the same.

[New Babylonia]

Apparently not.

If you don't cut your wrists over every problem you're obviously a stupid conformist!

I've never cut my wrists. After several failed attempts at suicide, it all became channeled into extreme rage and a complete lack of empathy for everyone and everything around me.

My poor cat even knows when to get the fuck out. It's so used to it, she senses it coming like they do bad weather. Or was that dogs? Meh, not the point.

[Fortschritte]

Have you ever experienced constant, nonstop bullying by multiple people?

I've experienced psychological torment to a perhaps much higher point. I'm very well aware of how it feels.

Yet, you don't want people who inflict psychological torment on others to be punished?

[Marelius]

Isn't bullying already illegal? It's just called assault and harassment. Slander/libel laws would also cover bullying.

I think the main question is if it should be considered as outright murder.

[Manisdog]

Ok a question to you guys, I mean why is name calling bullying, I mean I was called a chingoos ( miser) marwari for being a marwari jain, I had a friend who was called loose motion for being clumsy, another friend who was called mad bawa for being a parsi, I mean I saw that video cerrilium posted, I did not understand how is name calling wrong ?

[New Hampshire Republic]

Improve yourself and you improve your life.
You can try to ban everything that annoys you or you can learn to overcome it.

I'm aware of that. Bullycide isn't something that can be banned, but should bullies who do atrocities things to people be punished? Yes, of course.

Atrocities? HUGE exaggeration.

[Marelius]

I've experienced psychological torment to a perhaps much higher point. I'm very well aware of how it feels.

Yet, you don't want people who inflict psychological torment on others to be punished?

Not really. It's your fault for how you let others influence you.

[Fortschritte]

I'm aware of that. Bullycide isn't something that can be banned, but should bullies who do atrocities things to people be punished? Yes, of course.

Atrocities? HUGE exaggeration.

It was the wrong word, yes. But, I don't think telling someone to kill themselves is very nice, do you?

[Marelius]

If you don't cut your wrists over every problem you're obviously a stupid conformist!

I've never cut my wrists. After several failed attempts at suicide, it all became channeled into extreme rage and a complete lack of empathy for everyone and everything around me.

My poor cat even knows when to get the fuck out. It's so used to it, she senses it coming like they do bad weather. Or was that dogs? Meh, not the point.

Start training karate

[Marelius]

Atrocities? HUGE exaggeration.

It was the wrong word, yes. But, I don't think telling someone to kill themselves is very nice, do you?

Saying fuck you isn't either. Hardly comparable to an atrocity.

[Nightkill the Emperor]

I've been bullied for 4 years, I haven't developed any signs of depression. Anyway, the majority of people with depression are self-diagnosed attention whores.

I'd ask for a source, but it would be inappropriate to post a picture of your ass.

[New Hampshire Republic]

Atrocities? HUGE exaggeration.

It was the wrong word, yes. But, I don't think telling someone to kill themselves is very nice, do you?

Yes, it is wrong.

But using the same word used for describing the Rwandan genocide isn't right.

[Fortschritte]

It was the wrong word, yes. But, I don't think telling someone to kill themselves is very nice, do you?

Saying fuck you isn't either. Hardly comparable to an atrocity.

I used the wrong word, I admitted that. I'm sleep deprived, on some pretty heavy pain killers, and I'm just utterly exhausted. My command of the English language isn't perfect right now, and I apologize.

[Fortschritte]

It was the wrong word, yes. But, I don't think telling someone to kill themselves is very nice, do you?

Yes, it is wrong.

But using the same word used for describing the Rwandan genocide isn't right.

I already acknowledged that I really fucked up. Now, can we move on, or do you want to keep nagging me about something that I know I did wrong?

[Scyobayrynn]

Force someone to strip and dance for you, is in fact sexual, sexual in the precise same fashion that rape is sexual, because its an exercise of power over someone in a sexual manner. IN this case its public sexual humiliation, so you admittedly delight and defend the delighting in the public sexual humiliation of fellow men who you view as your younger siblings.

Its not really negotiable.

It can be a common cultural phenomenon, but that cultural phenomenon is sexual humiliation-- and there is nothing in the world that repaint it as anything thing but, and being common doesn't make it right.

Nope, no it is not like rape, there is no sexual angle to it at all, I have been through it too, never felt sexual, I volunteerly took part in it for the second time for the kicks

Im sorry.
I am going to concede I cant see through your eyes and you can see through man, but how about, I cant see your position.
I really want to, I really want to believe its all good natured, but you basically already told me if someone opts to not be treated in this fashion they are a pariah. Being forced into being a social outcast because you wont publically humiliate yourself is using threat of harm to impose your will over someone else... you dont even need to say it directly, simply being viewed as an authority makes everything you do an exercise of power, and how you choose to deliver that power speaks on you.

So please accept that I dont get it, and I am just not going to get it.

[Wisconsin9]

Ok a question to you guys, I mean why is name calling bullying, I mean I was called a chingoos ( miser) marwari for being a marwari jain, I had a friend who was called loose motion for being clumsy, another friend who was called mad bawa for being a parsi, I mean I saw that video cerrilium posted, I did not understand how is name calling wrong ?

I was called Swine Flu for coughing one time, which I'm sure had absolutely nothing to do with me punching people in the face for calling me Phil the year after.

[New Babylonia]

I've never cut my wrists. After several failed attempts at suicide, it all became channeled into extreme rage and a complete lack of empathy for everyone and everything around me.

My poor cat even knows when to get the fuck out. It's so used to it, she senses it coming like they do bad weather. Or was that dogs? Meh, not the point.

Start training karate

I did. I left classes and taught myself through shadow boxing. As of two years, i sparred a double black belt in my side yard until it was called a stalemate.
I have no idea how though, my stamina is crap.

[New Hampshire Republic]

Saying fuck you isn't either. Hardly comparable to an atrocity.

I used the wrong word, I admitted that. I'm sleep deprived, on some pretty heavy pain killers, and I'm just utterly exhausted. My command of the English language isn't perfect right now, and I apologize.

Hope you feel better for whatever your taking the painkillers for.

[Estva]

Nope, no it is not like rape, there is no sexual angle to it at all, I have been through it too, never felt sexual, I volunteerly took part in it for the second time for the kicks

Im sorry.
I am going to concede I cant see through your eyes and you can see through man, but how about, I cant see your position.
I really want to, I really want to believe its all good natured, but you basically already told me if someone opts to not be treated in this fashion they are a pariah. Being forced into being a social outcast because your wont publically humiliated yourself is using threat of harm to impose your will over someone else... you dont even need to say it directly, simply being viewed as an authority makes everything you do an exercise of power, and how you choose to deliver that power speaks on you.

So please accept that I dont get it, and I am just not going to get it.

Honestly, if this is a common attitude among Indian culture(which it very well may not be) I'm glad I was born in the West.

[Kaztropol]

What do you mean by "the hijara of the batch" ?

do you mean this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hijra_%28South_Asia%29

It means that he would never have the right to order his juniors, never but nobody actually refuses it sooner or later you would find people roaming around in there boxers everywhere without shirts nothing, this would be remembered, but nobody has ever refused, I don't why but it has never happened

You said that anyone who didn't participate, is "the hijara of the batch", and as far as I can tell, that word means that they'd be considered not to be a man, to be instead a transperson.

That's pretty far from being "innocent fun".

It's probably right up there, among the worst forms of bullying.

[Ierm]

My son is disabled exactly how do I raise him to be thick skinned?
He believes people are good, he doesnt believe in hurting people, when I tried to teach him how to fight because he was being picked on he was concerned about the feelings of his attackers and then explained to me why he deserved to be picked on.

I had to go up to his school to deal with a bully issue and he asked me if we could invite the little fucker to a BBQ so maybe he wouldnt be so angry and that would stop him from picking on him.

The fact of the matter is bullies pick on the weakest, kindest people, they lack strength they dont exercise it.

My son has the character of a gentle caring heart there is no skin to thicken, thick skinned...you dont have a fucking clue what you are talking about.


Youre real brave on the internet.

Your son is an exception, he is disabled.

Please allow me to present you with this certificate for not having any fucking clue that not everybody is the same.

Because that is what I implied - everybody is the same -

[Wisconsin9]

My son is disabled exactly how do I raise him to be thick skinned?
He believes people are good, he doesnt believe in hurting people, when I tried to teach him how to fight because he was being picked on he was concerned about the feelings of his attackers and then explained to me why he deserved to be picked on.

I had to go up to his school to deal with a bully issue and he asked me if we could invite the little fucker to a BBQ so maybe he wouldnt be so angry and that would stop him from picking on him.

The fact of the matter is bullies pick on the weakest, kindest people, they lack strength they dont exercise it.

My son has the character of a gentle caring heart there is no skin to thicken, thick skinned...you dont have a fucking clue what you are talking about.


Youre real brave on the internet.

Your son is an exception, he is disabled.

Please allow me to present you with this certificate for not having any fucking clue that not everybody is the same.

Because that is what I implied - everybody is the same -

Yes, it pretty much is. Assuming that everybody can just toughen up is stupid.

[Fortschritte]

I used the wrong word, I admitted that. I'm sleep deprived, on some pretty heavy pain killers, and I'm just utterly exhausted. My command of the English language isn't perfect right now, and I apologize.

Hope you feel better for whatever your taking the painkillers for.

Thanks. It was for spinal surgery.

Anyways, to steer this thread back on topic, I'd like to point out that I don't consider bullycide to be murder, since the bully often doesnt intend for the victim to commit suicide. Furthermore, I believe that it'd be hard to determine whether or not that was the intention, unless it was pretty clear. An example would be someone constantly telling another person to "fucking kill themself."

[Wisconsin9]

Hope you feel better for whatever your taking the painkillers for.

Thanks. It was for spinal surgery.

Anyways, to steer this thread back on topic, I'd like to point out that I don't consider bullycide to be murder, since the bully often doesnt intend for the victim to commit suicide. Furthermore, I believe that it'd be hard to determine whether or not that was the intention, unless it was pretty clear. An example would be someone constantly telling another person to "fucking kill themself."

A drunk driver may not mean to hurt anybody, but he's still going to jail for killing that family of four.

[Manisdog]

Nope, no it is not like rape, there is no sexual angle to it at all, I have been through it too, never felt sexual, I volunteerly took part in it for the second time for the kicks

Im sorry.
I am going to concede I cant see through your eyes and you can see through man, but how about, I cant see your position.
I really want to, I really want to believe its all good natured, but you basically already told me if someone opts to not be treated in this fashion they are a pariah. Being forced into being a social outcast because you wont publically humiliate yourself is using threat of harm to impose your will over someone else... you dont even need to say it directly, simply being viewed as an authority makes everything you do an exercise of power, and how you choose to deliver that power speaks on you.

So please accept that I dont get it, and I am just not going to get it.

It has never happened, not that I know of but it is once on the first day commited by seniors usually roaming around shirtless in boxers themselves, you know it is kinda of a lame ritual, never understood the true meaning of it but I think it is just to get people comfortable with the idea of roaming around how you like, it is meant to be taken as fun. Seriously I did it twice, nobody forces anyone, and there is no way to know also since it is the first day of college


Now I will tell you what is cruelty, there was a college, where I heard seniors used to stub ciggarettes on juniors asses in order to brand them, now that sir is cruelty, Now you see such kind of initiations are not good, We were just a jolly lot, I was lucky to have seniors who were fucking awesome.