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Postby Illithar » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:22 pm

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Helertia wrote:You've got to wonder what the world would be like if the Roman Pantheon was in the place Christianity is today


Catholicism sort of has a veritable pantheon, AKA "the Saints". When you pray to the patron saint of Y, it seems you are adopting a quasi multi-theistic mentality.


If you are, you're doin' it wrong.

Exactly. A saint has no power to grant any prayer of his or her own power. The only power a saint has is that of intercession with Jesus Christ.


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Postby Buffett and Colbert » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:23 pm

East Klent wrote:Most religions have the same basic idea right? Worshiping one god.

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Postby Free Soviets » Wed Jan 13, 2010 5:26 pm

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East Klent wrote:Most religions have the same basic idea right? Worshiping one god.

:eyebrow:

if i used smilies, that would be exactly my response.

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Postby Callisdrun » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:02 pm

East Klent wrote:Most religions have the same basic idea right? Worshiping one god.

Mine doesn't.

We're also less up on the whole "holy war" thing anyway. I think generally that's an aspect of religions that claim to be the only way to avoid bad stuff happening to you when you die.
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:05 pm

Callisdrun wrote:Mine doesn't.

We're also less up on the whole "holy war" thing anyway. I think generally that's an aspect of religions that claim to be the only way to avoid bad stuff happening to you when you die.

I don't know, the Orthodox Byzantines didn't believe in a Holy War, yet retained the Heaven/Hell view.
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Postby Big Jim P » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:05 pm

Satanist don't. We don't care enough about other persons religions enough to, and besides the xtians etc have so much more experience in this area. We'll just leave it to them. ;)
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Postby The Black Forrest » Wed Jan 13, 2010 6:11 pm

East Klent wrote:Most religions have the same basic idea right? Worshiping one god.


An old tv show Picket Fences answered that question:

"Religion is like a fart. Your own smell good, but everyone else's stinks."
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Postby Imsogone » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:34 pm

Ifreann wrote:To prove that their god has the biggest dick.


Maybe it's to prove their goddess has bigger boobs.
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Postby Free Soviets » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:42 pm

Imsogone wrote:
Ifreann wrote:To prove that their god has the biggest dick.

Maybe it's to prove their goddess has bigger boobs.

no, all gods have penises. even female ones. especially female ones.

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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:46 pm

Hinduism, which I think is profound and has anticipated quantum mechanics by millenia, is nevertheless polytheistic.

Celtic religion, with which i feel some affinity, is polytheistic.

Is Judaeo-Christianity polytheistic? There seem to be many references in scripture to some sort of heavenly council, in which God is conferring with other deities; the one which seems most striking to me is in Genesis
"003:022 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

003:023 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,
to till the ground from whence he was taken.
"

So, I believe there is one grand deity but many lesser ones.
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Postby Imsogone » Wed Jan 13, 2010 8:52 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Hinduism, which I think is profound and has anticipated quantum mechanics by millenia, is nevertheless polytheistic.

Celtic religion, with which i feel some affinity, is polytheistic.

Is Judaeo-Christianity polytheistic? There seem to be many references in scripture to some sort of heavenly council, in which God is conferring with other deities; the one which seems most striking to me is in Genesis
"003:022 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

003:023 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,
to till the ground from whence he was taken.
"

So, I believe there is one grand deity but many lesser ones.


I think that deity, if there is a deity (I'm not convinced), is more like the blind man's elephant - too big to be comprehended by the limited senses we have. So some see deity as female, some as male, some as both. Some see deity as loving, some as warlike, some as evil, some as good. We're to small to see outside our box, so we put deity in the box because something too big to comprehend is frightening to us. Or we separate deity into separate entities, each with an attribute - Ares for War, Aphrodite for sexual love, Kali for death and fertility and so on.
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Postby Maurepas » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:00 pm

I've yet to see someone persacute someone, it must be horrid to be so unused, :?

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Postby Uawc » Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:36 pm

Pope Joan wrote:Hinduism, which I think is profound and has anticipated quantum mechanics by millenia, is nevertheless polytheistic.

Celtic religion, with which i feel some affinity, is polytheistic.

Is Judaeo-Christianity polytheistic? There seem to be many references in scripture to some sort of heavenly council, in which God is conferring with other deities; the one which seems most striking to me is in Genesis
"003:022 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

003:023 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,
to till the ground from whence he was taken.
"

So, I believe there is one grand deity but many lesser ones.


:palm: Yet God says in all the books that there is only one...Him.

I assume you've never heard of the royal "we", where a single entity uses a plural to refer to themselves?
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Postby South Lorenya » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:16 pm

Illithar wrote:
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East Klent wrote:Most religions have the same basic idea right? Worshiping one god.

Contrary to popular belief, the vast majority of religions aren't really about worshipping God. They're about social roles, rituals, rules, and norms, and the enforcement of a particular power structure.

Different religions are merely different tribes; they fight for the same reasons that tribes have always fought. Competition over resources, conflicts of interest, diplomatic mishaps, etc and so forth.


Ummm...No. Most religious actually believe in their religion


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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:29 pm

East Klent wrote:Most religions have the same basic idea right? Worshiping one god.

No.

Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto, Greek and Roman myths, and shamanism to name a few.
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Postby Blitzkrenia » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:32 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
East Klent wrote:Most religions have the same basic idea right? Worshiping one god.

No.

Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto, Greek and Roman myths, and shamanism to name a few.

Yup. Buddhism doesn't actually worship a god at all.
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Postby Arumdaum » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:33 pm

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Arumdaum wrote:
East Klent wrote:Most religions have the same basic idea right? Worshiping one god.

No.

Buddhism, Hinduism, Shinto, Greek and Roman myths, and shamanism to name a few.

Yup. Buddhism doesn't actually worship a god at all.

Yes, it's mostly considered a way of living.
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Postby Livedevil » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:34 pm

East Klent wrote:Most religions have the same basic idea right? Worshiping one god.


Ah, but it comes down to how you worship God. Religion is very sticky as there can only be "one" path to salvation. Since many christian religions have doctrines that go against other religions they feel the need to prove the others wrong instead of themselves right.

Classic example, Baptism. You can get Christians frothing with this simple word. When should someone be baptized, how are they baptized, what authority is used, who has that authority...

The simple idea is, most religions teach (granted I am basing this view off of world religion courses and my own experience with mostly christian religions) that they are correct. To agree with another religion means they are not correct. So they have to disagree, if nothing else but for the principle of the matter.

Not to mention Religion is made up of human beings, humans really don't need an excuse to go after each other. Religion just makes it overly convenient.
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Postby Maurepas » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:34 pm

UAWC wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:Hinduism, which I think is profound and has anticipated quantum mechanics by millenia, is nevertheless polytheistic.

Celtic religion, with which i feel some affinity, is polytheistic.

Is Judaeo-Christianity polytheistic? There seem to be many references in scripture to some sort of heavenly council, in which God is conferring with other deities; the one which seems most striking to me is in Genesis
"003:022 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

003:023 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,
to till the ground from whence he was taken.
"

So, I believe there is one grand deity but many lesser ones.


:palm: Yet God says in all the books that there is only one...Him.

I assume you've never heard of the royal "we", where a single entity uses a plural to refer to themselves?

True, but, many of the adherents, and the clergy, require other entities to worship, to cover aspects that Yaweh doesnt, or the people cant reconcile him with...

Satan, the Catholic Saints, the Virgin Mary, etc...
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Postby BizarroCanada » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:44 pm

People are already practically at each other's throats because of disputes on YOUTUBE, so the fact that people will kill each other over their religion isn't actually all that surprising. Just remember:

Religion is more important than arguments on the internet.
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Postby Imsogone » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:46 pm

Maurepas wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:Hinduism, which I think is profound and has anticipated quantum mechanics by millenia, is nevertheless polytheistic.

Celtic religion, with which i feel some affinity, is polytheistic.

Is Judaeo-Christianity polytheistic? There seem to be many references in scripture to some sort of heavenly council, in which God is conferring with other deities; the one which seems most striking to me is in Genesis
"003:022 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

003:023 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,
to till the ground from whence he was taken.
"

So, I believe there is one grand deity but many lesser ones.


:palm: Yet God says in all the books that there is only one...Him.

I assume you've never heard of the royal "we", where a single entity uses a plural to refer to themselves?

True, but, many of the adherents, and the clergy, require other entities to worship, to cover aspects that Yaweh doesnt, or the people cant reconcile him with...

Satan, the Catholic Saints, the Virgin Mary, etc...


wealthy contributors, money, straw men, etc... One of the (many) reasons I left the Catholic Church was because the priests were on their knees before and practically fellating the wealthy contributors
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Postby Tunizcha » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:55 pm

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Postby Pope Joan » Wed Jan 13, 2010 10:56 pm

UAWC wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:Hinduism, which I think is profound and has anticipated quantum mechanics by millenia, is nevertheless polytheistic.

Celtic religion, with which i feel some affinity, is polytheistic.

Is Judaeo-Christianity polytheistic? There seem to be many references in scripture to some sort of heavenly council, in which God is conferring with other deities; the one which seems most striking to me is in Genesis
"003:022 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

003:023 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,
to till the ground from whence he was taken.
"

So, I believe there is one grand deity but many lesser ones.


:palm: Yet God says in all the books that there is only one...Him.

I assume you've never heard of the royal "we", where a single entity uses a plural to refer to themselves?


..................................

There is inescapable ambiguity when the plural is used to refer to what we, after the fact, refer to as a unity.

How about this for a literal reading of a crucial Judaeo-Christian passage, in which we translate elohim as "the gods", small "g", and Yahweh as "G_d"?

"22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that the gods did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, [here] I [am].

22:2 And they said, Take now thy son, thine only [son] Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

22:3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.

22:4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off.

22:5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.

22:6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid [it] upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.

22:7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here [am] I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where [is] the lamb for a burnt offering?

22:8 And Abraham said, My son, the gods will provide themselves a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.

22:9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood.

22:10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son.

22:11 And the angel of the LORD G-D called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here [am] I.

22:12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest the gods seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only [son] from me.

22:13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind [him] a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.

22:14 And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said [to] this day, In the mount of the LORD G-D it shall be seen. "

So, what Abraham had offered to the bloodthirsty pagan deities who required human sacrifice of the firstborn, was accepted instead, graciously, by the Almighty out of pity, and the boy was spared.
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UAWC wrote:
Pope Joan wrote:Hinduism, which I think is profound and has anticipated quantum mechanics by millenia, is nevertheless polytheistic.

Celtic religion, with which i feel some affinity, is polytheistic.

Is Judaeo-Christianity polytheistic? There seem to be many references in scripture to some sort of heavenly council, in which God is conferring with other deities; the one which seems most striking to me is in Genesis
"003:022 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us,
to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand,
and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

003:023 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden,
to till the ground from whence he was taken.
"

So, I believe there is one grand deity but many lesser ones.


:palm: Yet God says in all the books that there is only one...Him.

I assume you've never heard of the royal "we", where a single entity uses a plural to refer to themselves?


I know someone who Interprets that "Royal we" as meaning that we are actually experiments created by a race of giants that lived on a planet between Mars and the next planet over (What ever the hell it's called) Where the Asteroid belt is. And he says that the belt is actually the remains of said planet.

Note I DON'T believe that horse shit. I just know someone who does.
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