Do you feel like you were born too late in history?

[The Wolven League]

If you were a Viking in the prime of the Viking Age, highly doubt raiding villages and becoming rich is "delusional.

Pretty much is because you're not considering the massive drawbacks (like dying because someone scratched you with a sword). Also the point of that being a disgustingly evil thing to aspire to still stands.

Only in recent years was getting killed in combat a lesser issue; war has and always will be a part of history, but it was much more profitable and considered unethical by far less people pre-modern era.

[Conscentia]

You're mistaken about having made a valid reason, because you were mistaken about the reality of being medieval aristocracy.

I am NOT talking about the latter medieval times. I mean like the first half of medieval times, the dark Ages, the Viking era.

I was talking about 476 CE to 1350 CE.

[Lost heros]

In all honesty, I hate the modern era. I would prefer medieval times--as long as I wasn't a peasant.

Unlike you I actually enjoy modern plumbing, lifespans longer than 30 years, and medicine that wasn't bloodletting and leeches.

[The Wolven League]

I am NOT talking about the latter medieval times. I mean like the first half of medieval times, the dark Ages, the Viking era.

I was talking about 476 CE to 1350 CE.

476-1066 was the Dark Ages; knights, chivalry, and feudalism was only a concept towards the end of these times.

[Laerod]

Pretty much is because you're not considering the massive drawbacks (like dying because someone scratched you with a sword). Also the point of that being a disgustingly evil thing to aspire to still stands.

Only in recent years was getting killed in combat a lesser issue; war has and always will be a part of history, but it was much more profitable and considered unethical by far less people pre-modern era.

Bad people not considering it wrong doesn't really change one lick about it being wrong.

[Scyobayrynn]

In all honesty, I hate the modern era. I would prefer medieval times--as long as I wasn't a peasant.

Unlike you I actually enjoy modern plumbing, lifespans longer than 30 years, and medicine that wasn't bloodletting and leeches.

Leeches and maggots are still used today...just saying.

[Liriena]

Nope. If anything, I was born too early. I'd have rather been born roughly now-ish, if not later. I'd have liked both greater societal advancement and stronger medical technology when I was a pre-teen. It would have made my life much better. Sure, I enjoy being an OG Pokémon fan and lording that over you kids today, but I would give that up in a heartbeat if I could get the childhood I needed.

Yeah, pretty much the same here. I sure loved growing up with Dinosaurs, Cosmos, Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings film trilogy, but given current overall social trends, growing up a few decades in the future might have been nicer.

[Scyobayrynn]

Only in recent years was getting killed in combat a lesser issue; war has and always will be a part of history, but it was much more profitable and considered unethical by far less people pre-modern era.

Bad people not considering it wrong doesn't really change one lick about it being wrong.

This statement presumes killing to be objectively wrong.

[Lost heros]

Unlike you I actually enjoy modern plumbing, lifespans longer than 30 years, and medicine that wasn't bloodletting and leeches.

Leeches and maggots are still used today...just saying.

Yes, but they are far from commonplace like they were in the Dark Ages.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Nope. If anything, I was born too early. I'd have rather been born roughly now-ish, if not later. I'd have liked both greater societal advancement and stronger medical technology when I was a pre-teen. It would have made my life much better. Sure, I enjoy being an OG Pokémon fan and lording that over you kids today, but I would give that up in a heartbeat if I could get the childhood I needed.

Yeah, pretty much the same here. I sure loved growing up with Dinosaurs, Cosmos, Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings film trilogy, but given current overall social trends, growing up a few decades in the future might have been nicer.

How about 38,000 years in the future? Imagine all aliens you'll get to meet. Like Orks.

[Laerod]

Bad people not considering it wrong doesn't really change one lick about it being wrong.

This statement presumes killing to be objectively wrong.

Killing is objectively wrong, generally speaking. Much like lying and stealing.

[Lost heros]

Yeah, pretty much the same here. I sure loved growing up with Dinosaurs, Cosmos, Harry Potter and the Lord of the Rings film trilogy, but given current overall social trends, growing up a few decades in the future might have been nicer.

How about 38,000 years in the future? Imagine all aliens you'll get to meet. Like Orks.

Assuming humanity is still around then....

[Conscentia]

Pretty much is because you're not considering the massive drawbacks (like dying because someone scratched you with a sword). Also the point of that being a disgustingly evil thing to aspire to still stands.

Only in recent years was getting killed in combat a lesser issue; war has and always will be a part of history, but it was much more profitable and considered unethical by far less people pre-modern era.

It's unethical by Wiccan standards.

[Conscentia]

This statement presumes killing to be objectively wrong.

Killing is objectively wrong, generally speaking. Much like lying and stealing.

Nope.

[Laerod]

Killing is objectively wrong, generally speaking. Much like lying and stealing.

Nope.

Yep. Find a society that doesn't condemn killing. Find any society that survived and that had absolutely no rules prohibiting killing.

[Ifreann]

That you would prefer the medieval era.

I would, as long as I wasn't a peasant. There were so many more opportunites to get fame and fortune if you were higher class; you could go out, raid villages, recruit some peasants from non-raided villages, and eventually just build up an army, and be rich and most likely famous. lf I was a peasant, then hell no, medieval times would be horrible.

Why do you want to become rich and famous by stealing and murdering? Is there something wrong with you?

[Conscentia]

Nope.

Yep. Find a society that doesn't condemn killing. Find any society that survived and that had absolutely no rules prohibiting killing.

Until recently, most societies practised executions and many thought there to be glory in war & conquest.
The Ancient Romans actually turned killing into a spectator sport.

Also, societies are irrelevant if you're talking about things being objective.
Societies are groups of interacting individuals. ie. they're the subject in subjective.

Show me how murder would be wrong even if humans ceased to exist.

[Conscentia]

I would, as long as I wasn't a peasant. There were so many more opportunites to get fame and fortune if you were higher class; you could go out, raid villages, recruit some peasants from non-raided villages, and eventually just build up an army, and be rich and most likely famous. lf I was a peasant, then hell no, medieval times would be horrible.

Why do you want to become rich and famous by stealing and murdering? Is there something wrong with you?

At the very least, he speaks lies when he says he's a devout Wiccan.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

Glory. Booze, girls and money tend to come along, but they are just passing distractions, where glory lasts forever. Being remembered centuries afterwards is what counts, the only real achievement a man can hope for. He who has conquered glory in his lifetime can die a happy man.

awwww man. You let me down.

Crush your enemies
See them driven before you
Hear the lamentations of their women.

But I agree with you on being out of time, I would have preferred a world where I could smash the skull of someone who addressed me in a familiar fashion and the worst thing to happen would be I spilled my drink. Instead I live in a world with mustache duct tape and iphones.

Well, crushing enemies and making their widows and orphans wail is perhaps the most time-tested way of winning glory, is it not?

It is a bit ironic how wanting to make a name by warfare, rape and pillage is deemed evil and immoral by many, and yet these same people often speak the names of great leaders who made their names by doing exactly that. And I'm not just talking Attila or Ghenghis Khan, but also Hannibal, Alexander, Caesar, Richard Lionheart and many more. All these folks gained immortality by laying waste to entire regions, slaughtering their enemies by the score and subjecting their families to enslavement and brutality.

I do not aspire to anything quite as grand as these great warriors of old. I would be quite content with a simple runestone recounting what a feared and respected man I was in my time. So how is my desire to earn such a reputation any more evil or immoral than Alexander's conquest of Persia, or Caesar's subjugation of the Gauls? Do I necessarily have to slaughter millions and destroy nations to be deemed a hero? Why does wanting to simply raid villages, burn towns and mistreat their womenfolk make me a murderous thieving scumbag, when my actions would have cause far less damage than the exploits of history's great leaders?

[The Nuclear Fist]

How about 38,000 years in the future? Imagine all aliens you'll get to meet. Like Orks.

Assuming humanity is still around then....

"It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor of Mankind has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the master of mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the vast Imperium of Man for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day so that he may never truly die.Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their wayby the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in His name on uncounted worlds. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever-vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat to humanity from aliens, heretics, mutants -- and far, far worse. To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be relearned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

[Swag Dolphin Empire]

I feel like in certain cases I was born way too late in history. Those certain cases being music, world events, and etc. Good music nowadays is hard to find these days. Like c'mon, classic rock is the best. Secondly, as an avid history person, I love learning about past events. I've always been a fan of learning about World War 2 and the Holocaust. Lastly, the world as we know it has changed drastically over the years. It appears that the good ole' days have left us.
So yeah, I guess I was born too late.

[Laerod]

Yep. Find a society that doesn't condemn killing. Find any society that survived and that had absolutely no rules prohibiting killing.

Until recently, most societies practised executions and many thought there to be glory in war & conquest.
The Ancient Romans actually turned killing into a spectator sport.

Not examples of societies that had absolutely no rules prohibiting killing. The point stands.

Also, societies are irrelevant if you're talking about things being objective.
Societies are groups of interacting individuals. ie. they're the subject in subjective.

Murder, lying, and stealing would all be such interactions, ergo societies are entirely relevant.

Show me how murder would be wrong even if humans ceased to exist.

The above plus humans not being a precondition for there being a society.

[Laerod]

Well, crushing enemies and making their widows and orphans wail is perhaps the most time-tested way of winning glory, is it not?

Nah, sports are.

[Lost heros]

I feel like in certain cases I was born way too late in history. Those certain cases being music, world events, and etc. Good music nowadays is hard to find these days. Like c'mon, classic rock is the best. Secondly, as an avid history person, I love learning about past events. I've always been a fan of learning about World War 2 and the Holocaust. Lastly, the world as we know it has changed drastically over the years. It appears that the good ole' days have left us.
So yeah, I guess I was born too late.

Please tell me that you're not actually wishing you lived during WWII or that modern times were more like then....

[Laerod]

I feel like in certain cases I was born way too late in history. Those certain cases being music, world events, and etc. Good music nowadays is hard to find these days. Like c'mon, classic rock is the best. Secondly, as an avid history person, I love learning about past events. I've always been a fan of learning about World War 2 and the Holocaust. Lastly, the world as we know it has changed drastically over the years. It appears that the good ole' days have left us.
So yeah, I guess I was born too late.

Please tell me that you're not actually wishing you lived during WWII or that modern times were more like then....

Or, you know, the holocaust.