Gambling

[Maurepas]

I'd say the idea that gambling is "harmless" is meant to convey that there is no victim or collateral damage or anything. It's just you as a consenting adult deciding to wager your own funds. From a legal perspective, even if one personally wouldn't gamble because the House always wins, it isn't anyone's place to get in the way of that with regard to someone who would.

As a side note, "The House Always Wins" really only applies to certain games like slot machines and Roulette. Certain games have roughly even odds between player and house.

True, and I'm fond of the occasional game of blackjack myself at the casino, and the occasional game of Texas Hold'Em with my friends at home.

But I was just saying that just because one person might not be a fan of gambling because of the adage doesn't mean we need a law saying everyone must share that perspective.

[Scomagia]

As a side note, "The House Always Wins" really only applies to certain games like slot machines and Roulette. Certain games have roughly even odds between player and house.

True, and I'm fond of the occasional game of blackjack myself at the casino, and the occasional game of Texas Hold'Em with my friends at home.

But I was just saying that just because one person might not be a fan of gambling because of the adage doesn't mean we need a law saying everyone must share that perspective.

Yeah, card games are more my thing too.

I agree completely, I just thought I'd throw it in.

[Chestaan]

As a side note, "The House Always Wins" really only applies to certain games like slot machines and Roulette. Certain games have roughly even odds between player and house.

True, and I'm fond of the occasional game of blackjack myself at the casino, and the occasional game of Texas Hold'Em with my friends at home.

But I was just saying that just because one person might not be a fan of gambling because of the adage doesn't mean we need a law saying everyone must share that perspective.

When you play blackjack, do you count cards? Just curious because as far as I know that is the only case where the player actually has the edge.

[Maurepas]

True, and I'm fond of the occasional game of blackjack myself at the casino, and the occasional game of Texas Hold'Em with my friends at home.

But I was just saying that just because one person might not be a fan of gambling because of the adage doesn't mean we need a law saying everyone must share that perspective.

When you play blackjack, do you count cards? Just curious because as far as I know that is the only case where the player actually has the edge.

Nah, but it wouldn't work at a casino anyway, at least not down here without a lot of money. Most tables outside of high rollers have multiple decks to prevent that sort of thing.

It's less that a player has the edge that defeats the adage and more that the house doesn't generally have much of an edge either in that game. The profit in that game is through sheer volume of hands and players, as odds are generally the vast majority are losing ones, but as an individual you're at least better off than at the slots, lol

[Chestaan]

When you play blackjack, do you count cards? Just curious because as far as I know that is the only case where the player actually has the edge.

Nah, but it wouldn't work at a casino anyway, at least not down here without a lot of money. Most tables outside of high rollers have multiple decks to prevent that sort of thing.

It's less that a player has the edge that defeats the adage and more that the house doesn't generally have much of an edge either in that game. The profit in that game is through sheer volume of hands and players, as odds are generally the vast majority are losing ones, but as an individual you're at least better off than at the slots, lol

I can't understand why anybody plays slots. It's literally throwing money away.

This guy is my hero. He was such a genius that he could beat Roulette.

[Marelius]

I hate gambling, but i hate lotteries as well. Legalize it.

[Maurepas]

Nah, but it wouldn't work at a casino anyway, at least not down here without a lot of money. Most tables outside of high rollers have multiple decks to prevent that sort of thing.

It's less that a player has the edge that defeats the adage and more that the house doesn't generally have much of an edge either in that game. The profit in that game is through sheer volume of hands and players, as odds are generally the vast majority are losing ones, but as an individual you're at least better off than at the slots, lol

I can't understand why anybody plays slots. It's literally throwing money away.

This guy is my hero. He was such a genius that he could beat Roulette.

That is pretty cool. I've always wanted to try my hand at roulette myself, but I've never had the money to do it.

[Gun Manufacturers]

Nah, but it wouldn't work at a casino anyway, at least not down here without a lot of money. Most tables outside of high rollers have multiple decks to prevent that sort of thing.

It's less that a player has the edge that defeats the adage and more that the house doesn't generally have much of an edge either in that game. The profit in that game is through sheer volume of hands and players, as odds are generally the vast majority are losing ones, but as an individual you're at least better off than at the slots, lol

I can't understand why anybody plays slots. It's literally throwing money away.

This guy is my hero. He was such a genius that he could beat Roulette.

My 2 "big" jackpots in slots are $500 (on a $0.50 machine, with an investment of $40), and $70 (on a $0.05 machine with an investment of $10). It was pure luck though, an exception rather than the rule. As a former slot attendant, I've heard MANY stories of people lamenting the hundreds or thousands of dollars they lost, chasing that big win.

[Scomagia]

I'd like to see some changes in casino practices, like forbidding casinos from barring card-counters. The actual edge that card-counting gives the player is really only evening the odds and I think that black-listing card-counters is unfair.

[The Two Jerseys]

Atlantic City, three blocks off the boardwalk, is filthy, decrepit, and a hive of scum and villainy.

This is what gambling does to a city.

AC would be a dump even without the casinos, the people living in the ghetto aren't even the ones gambling in the casinos.

[Scyobayrynn]

Horse racing, Im a horse racing junkie.
I have to avoid tracks, and sitting in a place with OTB gives me cold sweats.

Other than that, poker I can play and enjoy, craps, sports betting.

But the ponies, man that shit is my junk.

[Scyobayrynn]

I can't understand why anybody plays slots. It's literally throwing money away.

This guy is my hero. He was such a genius that he could beat Roulette.

My 2 "big" jackpots in slots are $500 (on a $0.50 machine, with an investment of $40), and $70 (on a $0.05 machine with an investment of $10). It was pure luck though, an exception rather than the rule. As a former slot attendant, I've heard MANY stories of people lamenting the hundreds or thousands of dollars they lost, chasing that big win.

I used to build them, I love to listen to people explain how they are going to "beat" the machine.

[Scomagia]

My 2 "big" jackpots in slots are $500 (on a $0.50 machine, with an investment of $40), and $70 (on a $0.05 machine with an investment of $10). It was pure luck though, an exception rather than the rule. As a former slot attendant, I've heard MANY stories of people lamenting the hundreds or thousands of dollars they lost, chasing that big win.

I used to build them, I love to listen to people explain how they are going to "beat" the machine.

Slot machines are total sucker bets. I never understood why people play them.

[Reploid Productions]

My 2 "big" jackpots in slots are $500 (on a $0.50 machine, with an investment of $40), and $70 (on a $0.05 machine with an investment of $10). It was pure luck though, an exception rather than the rule. As a former slot attendant, I've heard MANY stories of people lamenting the hundreds or thousands of dollars they lost, chasing that big win.

I used to build them, I love to listen to people explain how they are going to "beat" the machine.

Coolest "casino" I ever went to was a "21-and-under only" one when I was a little kid... it was a private collection of antique coin-op slot machines curated by a friend of my grandfather, who would let kids try the machines out (and provide the coinage to use the slots, so it wasn't actual gambling since it was all his own money. If the kids won on the machines though, he let them keep the winnings.) If I recall right, the old guy had some gorgeous, very lovingly restored old machines in there. He had slots for basically any coin minted, from penny machines up to 50-cent and 1-dollar coin slots.

He had the machines set to be pretty decent odds, so that the kids that went through had a fair shot at winning on at least one of the machines before they finished the tour. Gotta get 'em hooked young, right? ('Cept he also explained to the generally 10-15 year olds he allowed through that his machines were set to be pretty generous and that the real ones in the grown-up casinos only rarely pay out.) ... Y'know, in hindsight, he was a really cool old guy.

[Greed and Death]

Gambling is a tax on people who are too dumb to understand probability and people who are too rich to care about burning money.

as such I approve of it.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

At the end of the day, it's not gambling itself that worry Governments that keep the practice illegal, it's the fact that the practice has the capacity to create an addiction, due to it's nature of repetitiveness and amusement. Once an addiction is in place it is no longer the person in control but the addiction itself as it is now "needed" to be satisfied by the person who is addicted thereby causing the social problems that result afterwards.

[Scomagia]

At the end of the day, it's not gambling itself that worry Governments that keep the practice illegal, it's the fact that the practice has the capacity to create an addiction, due to it's nature of repetitiveness and amusement. Once an addiction is in place it is no longer the person in control but the addiction itself as it is now "needed" to be satisfied by the person who is addicted thereby causing the social problems that result afterwards.

This can be mitigated by using the taxes gained through legal gambling for preventative and rehabilitative programs. Cooperation from gambling establishments in the form of limiting max bets and max overall betting would be the most helpful and, in the long run, would actually benefit the establishments themselves by improving their image.

[Scyobayrynn]

I used to build them, I love to listen to people explain how they are going to "beat" the machine.

Coolest "casino" I ever went to was a "21-and-under only" one when I was a little kid... it was a private collection of antique coin-op slot machines curated by a friend of my grandfather, who would let kids try the machines out (and provide the coinage to use the slots, so it wasn't actual gambling since it was all his own money. If the kids won on the machines though, he let them keep the winnings.) If I recall right, the old guy had some gorgeous, very lovingly restored old machines in there. He had slots for basically any coin minted, from penny machines up to 50-cent and 1-dollar coin slots.

He had the machines set to be pretty decent odds, so that the kids that went through had a fair shot at winning on at least one of the machines before they finished the tour. Gotta get 'em hooked young, right? ('Cept he also explained to the generally 10-15 year olds he allowed through that his machines were set to be pretty generous and that the real ones in the grown-up casinos only rarely pay out.) ... Y'know, in hindsight, he was a really cool old guy.

That would be awesome. I never really got to handle the old classics, besides we had to know the defects from history that made old slot machines actually "beat-able". Granny-slippers still being one of the biggest concern to this day.

We had two lines, we had upright and counter top touch screen coin op games(Magical Touch, and Global Touch)--that was our Touch Line, then we had our "Gray" line, and the Gray line was slots and Video poker machines.

Yes, "gray" referred to the area of the law we(really the owner) operated in.

Since the machines were legal to build and sell in the county we were in, but illegal to operate. It was a fun job while it lasted. I am told the company invented the touchscreen arcade game, I dont know how true that is, but it would be cool if it was true. We got ran out of business by the company that made Megatouch, didnt have the capital to compete.

[Gezi Park]

I'm a sports betting addict, besides that I like playing poker and blackjack but would like to learn other card games as well. I wish so hard that I'd visit Las Vegas one day.

[Scyobayrynn]

I'd say the idea that gambling is "harmless" is meant to convey that there is no victim or collateral damage or anything. It's just you as a consenting adult deciding to wager your own funds. From a legal perspective, even if one personally wouldn't gamble because the House always wins, it isn't anyone's place to get in the way of that with regard to someone who would.

As a side note, "The House Always Wins" really only applies to certain games like slot machines and Roulette. Certain games have roughly even odds between player and house.

As far as being able to work the odds to as close to in your favor as possible, craps is the only game that is possible unless you have some ability with cards(poker is a skill game thus you can really determine how good you do with far certainty than actual gambling).
Slots, Roulette, and Keno...man fucking Keno is just like "Hey chump, you have a better chance making a profit by lighting your money on fire, place a bet". And Black Jack, the ultimate sucker game. The sucker game with blackjack is its so close to being close ordinary people think they can beat it...which they cant.

If someone has system for black jack that doenst involve a near eidetic memory combined with superior math skills your system is...not.

Craps is the way to go, for the smart gambler with no poker skills.

[Greed and Death]

As a side note, "The House Always Wins" really only applies to certain games like slot machines and Roulette. Certain games have roughly even odds between player and house.

As far as being able to work the odds to as close to in your favor as possible, craps is the only game that is possible unless you have some ability with cards(poker is a skill game thus you can really determine how good you do with far certainty than actual gambling).
Slots, Roulette, and Keno...man fucking Keno is just like "Hey chump, you have a better chance making a profit by lighting your money on fire, place a bet". And Black Jack, the ultimate sucker game. The sucker game with blackjack is its so close to being close ordinary people think they can beat it...which they cant.

If someone has system for black jack that doenst involve a near eidetic memory combined with superior math skills your system is...not.

Craps is the way to go, for the smart gambler with no poker skills.

It is not that hard here is a simple video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdyi5aAXeE4

[Scyobayrynn]

As far as being able to work the odds to as close to in your favor as possible, craps is the only game that is possible unless you have some ability with cards(poker is a skill game thus you can really determine how good you do with far certainty than actual gambling).
Slots, Roulette, and Keno...man fucking Keno is just like "Hey chump, you have a better chance making a profit by lighting your money on fire, place a bet". And Black Jack, the ultimate sucker game. The sucker game with blackjack is its so close to being close ordinary people think they can beat it...which they cant.

If someone has system for black jack that doenst involve a near eidetic memory combined with superior math skills your system is...not.

Craps is the way to go, for the smart gambler with no poker skills.

It is not that hard here is a simple video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdyi5aAXeE4

LOL.

ALright, now apply it.
Apply it from memory on the fly, because you show me a casino that lets break out a note book and Ill show you vegas night at the local catholic church.

Also by all means link me to the photos of this man's mansion, which he surely has from mopping the floors with the casinos with his formula.

Or, if you could show me the stacks of money you have laying about from applying this simple and easy to use formula.

Also explain how the formula which is a single play one off formula for you head to head with dealer on an empty accounts for other players, also please explain how the formula deals with the now relatively common 8-shoe...

but really.

You with a few 10k stacks will assuredly shut me up.


EDIT: Bawwww you got me, that fucker fooled me for a minute(hour) but even to my grossly weak mathematical mind it sounded like bullshit. Love it though he sounded just like one of those system peddlers with their hack formulas for beating blackjack. Bravo you got me...

[Greed and Death]

It is not that hard here is a simple video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdyi5aAXeE4

LOL.

ALright, now apply it.
Apply it from memory on the fly, because you show me a casino that lets break out a note book and Ill show you vegas night at the local catholic church.

Also by all means link me to the photos of this man's mansion, which he surely has from mopping the floors with the casinos with his formula.

Or, if you could show me the stacks of money you have laying about from applying this simple and easy to use formula.

Also explain how the formula which is a single play one off formula for you head to head with dealer on an empty accounts for other players, also please explain how the formula deals with the now relatively common 8-shoe...

but really.

You with a few 10k stacks will assuredly shut me up.

Really Easy. For face cards -1 for 2-6 +1 for 789 0. take then running count and divide by number of cards left. This equals your true count.

Bett according to this table.

Spread Based on Count
True Count 2 Decks 6 Decks
0 or less 1 unit 1 unit
+1 2 units 2 units
+2 3 units 4 units
+3 4 units 8 units
+4 5 units 10 units
+5 or 6 units 12 units

[Scyobayrynn]

LOL.

ALright, now apply it.
Apply it from memory on the fly, because you show me a casino that lets break out a note book and Ill show you vegas night at the local catholic church.

Also by all means link me to the photos of this man's mansion, which he surely has from mopping the floors with the casinos with his formula.

Or, if you could show me the stacks of money you have laying about from applying this simple and easy to use formula.

Also explain how the formula which is a single play one off formula for you head to head with dealer on an empty accounts for other players, also please explain how the formula deals with the now relatively common 8-shoe...

but really.

You with a few 10k stacks will assuredly shut me up.

Really Easy. For face cards -1 for 2-6 +1 for 789 0. take then running count and divide by number of cards left. This equals your true count.

Bett according to this table.

Spread Based on Count
True Count 2 Decks 6 Decks
0 or less 1 unit 1 unit
+1 2 units 2 units
+2 3 units 4 units
+3 4 units 8 units
+4 5 units 10 units
+5 or 6 units 12 units

And your mansion.
Also if you got this from his formula, where does the Femto come in? Because I do not see it represented here in this basic count scheme.

Also, his mansion, and yours.

Additionally, and again eidetic memory to count those on the fly.

[Greed and Death]

Really Easy. For face cards -1 for 2-6 +1 for 789 0. take then running count and divide by number of cards left. This equals your true count.

Bett according to this table.

Spread Based on Count
True Count 2 Decks 6 Decks
0 or less 1 unit 1 unit
+1 2 units 2 units
+2 3 units 4 units
+3 4 units 8 units
+4 5 units 10 units
+5 or 6 units 12 units

And your mansion.
Also if you got this from his formula, where does the Femto come in? Because I do not see it represented here in this basic count scheme.

Also, his mansion, and yours.

Additionally, and again eidetic memory to count those on the fly.

Not Eidetic memory just lots of practice. Really just addition and subtraction and division.

That is really what keeps it from being a money maker, you have to practice for several days and most casinos spot the behavior and remove you from the blackjack table within hours if not minutes. So you train and practice for days and by hitting up several casinos you might walk away with 3-4 thousand dollars in one day then find all the casinos in town bar you from playing blackjack the next.