Are people growing bored of democracy ?

[Ifreann]

How could people get bored of democracy? Voting is great fun.

[MERIZoC]

It's for the greater good. More people, more legitimacy. You can guess what can happen if just older people votes.

as i said, same you must care about state to pay taxes, even if you disagree, you must care about democratic process. it's not some silly option you can ignore, it's both privilege and duty of every citizen.

If we don't have anyone to vote for, don't make us vote. It's not democratic to force people to vote for people they don't want to vote for.

There's always the "none of the above" option.

[United Marxist Nations]

If we don't have anyone to vote for, don't make us vote. It's not democratic to force people to vote for people they don't want to vote for.

There's always the "none of the above" option.

That's called "not voting."

[Cannabis Islands]

No, but I am tried of corporate influence has on democracy...

[Anollasia]

No, not bored, just disappointed with the choices offered.

When you can choose between one bucket of crap and another bucket of slightly differently smelling crap, then it's hard to motivate yourself to vote. Especially when, even if you can motivate yourself to vote, you still don't even know what kind of crap you get, because the election results and the actually following politics have little to do with each other.

This.

[Cannabis Islands]

How could people get bored of democracy? Voting is great fun.

It is not fun when living as a poor person of color in a conservative and highly capitalist country and the choice is literally a "lesser than two evils" situation.

[The New Age Empire]

I will never agree with the way the U.S. party system works, as I am anti-liberal and anti-conservative, which makes it pretty hard for me to actually like either of the 2 parties, in our disgusting 2-party system which I despise, and hope one day will be abolished by a new nation, a better nation at that.

[Ifreann]

How could people get bored of democracy? Voting is great fun.

It is not fun when living as a poor person of color in a conservative and highly capitalist country and the choice is literally a "lesser than two evils" situation.

Sounds fun to me. You still get to put the ballot paper in a box, right?

[Martean]

No, at least not in my country, indeed, people are getting more and mote involved in politics and turnout rates are expected to hit an all-time high in the next general election.

So I guess it's more a problem of the two-party american system than democracy itself

I'm no expert on Spanish politics, but I think the political scene in Spain is more turbulent and exciting than in the UK or USA, what with demands for Catalan and Basque independence referenda, fierce opposition to governmental economic policy and, from what I've heard, some kind of what I call a "red shift" (which of course means a shift to the left.)

Or all my news is from biased leftist sources, which is very likely to be true.

No, your sources are not wrong, the left-wing Podemos is currently polling at 27%, the conservatives at 24%, social-democrats at 21%, Communists at 5%, and liberals at 5%.

This means a HUGE leftist majority, as long as the social-democrats either support Podemos or dissapear, and I bet one of them WILL necesarily happen, and they have already anounced they won't ally with Podemos.

[Costa Fierro]

Majority is the problem. There was no majority in Congress until next year where the Republicans will take control of both senate and house. We couldn't have shit done because there was no one party that have control of both houses. The other point is, what's the difference between a right-wing coalition and the Republican party when the Republican party is already composed of multiple right-wing factions already? If these factions get their own party and have to form coalition anyways to get anything done...what the fuck is the point?

That would depend on a lot of factors, including voting share etc. If those factions had their own parties, they would still be able to govern alone and depending on voting share, there could be one or two dominant parties and perhaps one or two minor parties, meaning the smaller, more extreme factions would not necessarily be in coalition.

The point, is that not everyone in the Republican party or the Democrat Party is unified and there could be significant changes in government policy if those factions have a greater voice. The whole part about proportional representation is allowing a greater range of voices into government.

[Royal Black Institution]

This is why executive Monarchy should be re-introduced.

[The Nuclear Fist]

This is why executive Monarchy should be re-introduced.

I'm pretty cool with avoiding inbred, dictatorial nepotism of any color actually, even if that color is purple.

[Ifreann]

This is why executive Monarchy should be re-introduced.

That doesn't sound very fun.

[-Shie-]

How could people get bored of democracy? Voting is great fun.

Hilarious.

[Ifreann]

How could people get bored of democracy? Voting is great fun.

Hilarious.

Not that kind of fun.

[-Shie-]

Hilarious.

Not that kind of fun.

What kind of "fun" are we talking about here, buddy?

[Ifreann]

Not that kind of fun.

What kind of "fun" are we talking about here, buddy?

The one where you do a thing and then you feel happy and good about yourself. Not really the kind of fun where you start laughing.

[Bojikami]

I don't think bored is the right word. The correct word would be something along the lines of "Sick of" or "disillusioned with".

[Seno Zhou Varada]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_tu ... _elections

54.9% in 2012 presidential election in America... yep totally represents what the people want.

[Ifreann]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

54.9% in 2012 presidential election in America... yep totally represents what the people want.

Were the other 45.1% prevented from voting?

[Bojikami]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

54.9% in 2012 presidential election in America... yep totally represents what the people want.

Were the other 45.1% prevented from voting?

I don't think the entirety of it was, but I'll bet that some chunk of it was prevented from voting.

[Norstal]

Majority is the problem. There was no majority in Congress until next year where the Republicans will take control of both senate and house. We couldn't have shit done because there was no one party that have control of both houses. The other point is, what's the difference between a right-wing coalition and the Republican party when the Republican party is already composed of multiple right-wing factions already? If these factions get their own party and have to form coalition anyways to get anything done...what the fuck is the point?

That would depend on a lot of factors, including voting share etc. If those factions had their own parties, they would still be able to govern alone and depending on voting share, there could be one or two dominant parties and perhaps one or two minor parties, meaning the smaller, more extreme factions would not necessarily be in coalition.

The point, is that not everyone in the Republican party or the Democrat Party is unified and there could be significant changes in government policy if those factions have a greater voice. The whole part about proportional representation is allowing a greater range of voices into government.

If voice is what they want, they can join a PAC or a super PAC. They can also join the many think-tanks out there. There's nothing that's preventing them from participating in politics. I mean this is the thing: I agree with you that people need to stop the disillusioned hipster bullshit. Americans are already given the tools they need to have their voice heard. There's no need to completely replace the system and cause everyone headaches.

As for governing though, yes, I'll agree that proportional voting solves that. Although considering the number of bad ideas NSGers have, I'd rather they just not vote instead.

[Norstal]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections

54.9% in 2012 presidential election in America... yep totally represents what the people want.

Were the other 45.1% prevented from voting?

Kind of. I think that if election days were federal holidays, more people would vote.

[Ifreann]

Were the other 45.1% prevented from voting?

I don't think the entirety of it was, but I'll bet that some chunk of it was prevented from voting.

So then the assertion that 54.9% voter turnout indicates that the result was not representative of what the people want is false.

[-Shie-]

What kind of "fun" are we talking about here, buddy?

The one where you do a thing and then you feel happy and good about yourself. Not really the kind of fun where you start laughing.

We're talking about charity, ok.