Alyakia wrote:Ostroeuropa wrote:
Well, I could point out that only 23% of women are feminists.
So you're kind of fucked here.
Which is it.
Are they not sexist and not feminist, or are they majority sexist?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/1 ... 94917.html
You can't have it both ways.
Either feminism is not the same thing as not being a sexist, or most women are in fact sexist.
SO I provided my source and you didn't, just threw a demand for sources back at me.
I think it's clear you are an ideologue who doesn't care what's actually true.
I'm not denying women have some disadvantages.
I'm denying they have it worse than men.
And i'm denying a gynocentric narrative will fix those disadvantages for women, which are a result of misandry, not misogyny.
Most of the complaints in that study are about money.
That's because it's not a womans job to earn money in our society. Whining about how they aren't given as much money ignores that they have lots of shit paid for for them.
It's a white person complaining that blacks pick more cotton than they do, and ignoring where it ends up.
And whining about how they aren't seen as good cotton pickers, and this hurts their self-esteem.
Well, theres a way to fix that you know.
Stop enslaving black people.
That's an extreme example obviously. But none of what you showed actually demonstrates oppression. Only that men are seen as workhorses and women are not.
And that's before you get into the fact that 18-30, males earn less than females.
The paygap is a result of bygone eras. You can't expect women above 30 to benefit from policies enacted now. They lack the socioeconomic means to benefit from the changes.
But what you can expect is the endless whining of feminists to make the CURRENT pay gap even larger by privileging females even more.
So your article is completely off the mark.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E2%80%9CW ... %9D_effect
This shows clearly that the feminist narrative is completely ass backwards. Misogyny isn't the problem.
In fact, by endlessly braying "YOU JUST HATE WOMEN!!!" they are making the problem worse by consistently implying the solution to womens problems is to care more about women.
It isn't.
That's the cause of their problems. The way to fix them would be to say "Women are adults and don't require your affectionate protection, but that man over there is in dire straights and could use your assistance."
But will they do it? Will they fuck.
would it blow your mind were i tell you that, yes, most men and women do indeed hold sexist views? even about their own sex?
No, I agree entirely with you on that point. I'll admit I was a little surprised to see you say it, but thinking about it you've typically been one of the better feminists on this issue, even if still biased ideologically in my opinion. You've at least been willing to hear what women are doing to cause the situation and how they can change.
That's actually quite good.
