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Postby Middle C » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:46 pm

New Socialist South Africa wrote:
Middle C wrote:The golden rule is kind of like a cockroach's morality if you think about it.


Cockroaches have morality? I'm not so sure about that.

I'm assuming you're being fatuous and are not actually incapable of comprehending figurative speech.

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Postby Highever » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:46 pm

Preussen-Deutschland wrote:
Sons of Mars wrote:Good for you.

Don't ever say you're even .01% pro fascist.

My personal beliefs lean more towards the German Empire and Fascist Italy and even the Nazis (economically). I may not be homophobic but I am EXTREMELY anti-communist! KILL THE REDS!

Yeah you may want to tone down the trolling and advocation of violence against communists, or you will find yourself not staying long here. Just a heads up.
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Postby Welskerland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:46 pm

Middle C wrote:
Welskerland wrote:Fascism is a very confusing ideology imo. You have one side saying they are Nazis, another group saying they are socialists, and another group saying that they are capitalists. I have never seen this much confusion with other ideologies such as socialism, conservatism, etc.

Son of Mars, I looked up cognitive dissonance and that would explain alot.

I like fascism and I think it would solve many of the world's problems, but for the longest time I was a paleoconservative, so I think I am still trying to hold on to some of those views.

Another issue I have is attempting to combine fascism with the concepts of basic human freedoms (ie. free speech, free press, and religious tolerance)

If you want to understand fascism proper, you should read Giovanni Gentile and Gabriele d'Annunzio.


Alright, I will check them out.
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Postby Settrah » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:47 pm

Sons of Mars wrote:
Highever wrote:You know, hatred of homosexuals is not a required tenant of conservatism. Not by a long shot.

To "conserve" means to retain the status quo.

The status quo was homosexual marriage being illegal.

How is a "conservative" going to "conserve" something by changing the status quo? Makes no sense.


On that note, to be "liberal" means to change society in pursuit of liberty and equality.

Equality and liberty would include every part of LGBT, every expression and orientation, and would accept full acceptance of all fetishes.

One social liberal might happen to not support this, or may be openly critical of aspects of it. Does that mean that everything else, their feminism, their support for welfare programs, their animal rights activism, the things that they actually are progressive on, counts for nothing because of the one thing they were not ideologically rigid on?

Welskerland wrote:Fascism is a very confusing ideology imo. You have one side saying they are Nazis, another group saying they are socialists, and another group saying that they are capitalists. I have never seen this much confusion with other ideologies such as socialism, conservatism, etc.

Son of Mars, I looked up cognitive dissonance and that would explain alot.

I like fascism and I think it would solve many of the world's problems, but for the longest time I was a paleoconservative, so I think I am still trying to hold on to some of those views.

Another issue I have is attempting to combine fascism with the concepts of basic human freedoms (ie. free speech, free press, and religious tolerance)


Fascism stems from nationalism. Nationalism is seen as right wing, because it's socially conservative, more socially conservative in fact than actual conservatives. So they tend to be labelled far right by default.

Economically they are statist, and the majority of people equate that to the left wing, due to the lack of distinction between nationalization and socialization of services. Fascism doesn't really have intentional economic programs though, they tend to make it up as they go along, and it's the social issues they're primarily focused on.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:48 pm

Preussen-Deutschland wrote:KILL THE REDS!

This is against site rules...
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Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:50 pm

Middle C wrote:
New Socialist South Africa wrote:
Cockroaches have morality? I'm not so sure about that.

I'm assuming you're being fatuous and are not actually incapable of comprehending figurative speech.


What do you think? :lol:

Hey, its NationStates, you never know what ideologies and ideas are real, which are metaphorical and which are troll.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:50 pm

Sons of Mars wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I support communism, social anarchism and radical social democracy without much of a meaningful distinction between them. I think we ultra-leftists should be strong allies of each other, at least until we can meaningfully reorganize, and that we aren't a threat to each other's revolutions, but rather more valuable as allies.

I have a few liberal beliefs, but they mostly strengthen my libertarianism instead of turning me into a "moderate" or approaching me to right-wing ideology (yikes!).

This is what gives me headaches.

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Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

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S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
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Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Preussen-Deutschland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:51 pm

Sons of Mars wrote:
Preussen-Deutschland wrote:KILL THE REDS!

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Jeez man...I'm SIDING with you
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Postby Fortschritte » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:51 pm

I'm probably some sort of socially liberal centrist.
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Postby Kumuri » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:54 pm

Preussen-Deutschland wrote:
Sons of Mars wrote:Yeah, they won the war. Only took 20,000,000+

quite an achievement. :clap:
:rofl:

KILL THE REDS!

What do you have against Cincinnati's baseball team?
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Postby Fortschritte » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:54 pm

Preussen-Deutschland wrote:The only people who should have limited rights are Communists. They are not human, they are subhuman.


One's political ideology doesn't make one less human than another.
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Postby Settrah » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:54 pm

Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I support communism, social anarchism and radical social democracy without much of a meaningful distinction between them. I think we ultra-leftists should be strong allies of each other, at least until we can meaningfully reorganize, and that we aren't a threat to each other's revolutions, but rather more valuable as allies.

I have a few liberal beliefs, but they mostly strengthen my libertarianism instead of turning me into a "moderate" or approaching me to right-wing ideology (yikes!).


Social democracy.
+
Libertarianism.

Huh?
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Postby Preussen-Deutschland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:55 pm

Sons of Mars wrote:
Preussen-Deutschland wrote:Jeez man...I'm SIDING with you

Ernst Röhm said the same thing

Do you want to go kill reds together? We are both right wingers who want to exterminate Communism. C'mon you know you want to. KILL ALL THE REDS!
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:56 pm

This is where I stand.

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I'm an Authoritarian Communist. I believe the Government should have a large take on the do's and dont's in our lives, and manage our economy overall. Although I am a communist, I still do believe that economically, not everything should be redistributed- things that have meaning to our families should be passed on, and we should be able to spend an allotted amount of money on things of our own choice.

It should be noted that I'm a strong supporter of what Stalin did in his 'reign of terror'. I am also a supporter of Hitler. Although I am not a fan of his political ideology, I still support the things he did for his country in WW2.


Something to help you get started if you do not know your ideology would be to go here, http://www.politicalcompass.org/test .

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Preussen-Deutschland wrote:
Sons of Mars wrote:Ernst Röhm said the same thing

Do you want to go kill reds together? We are both right wingers who want to exterminate Communism. C'mon you know you want to. KILL ALL THE REDS!



I'm firing a nuke to your location as we speak.
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Postby Highever » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:56 pm

Preussen-Deutschland wrote:
Sons of Mars wrote:Ernst Röhm said the same thing

Do you want to go kill reds together? We are both right wingers who want to exterminate Communism. C'mon you know you want to. KILL ALL THE REDS!

Cardinals fan, I see.
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Postby Utyuilohkm » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:57 pm

I am Nationalist Libertarian or Anarchist.

I believe rules are meant to be broken.

Pro- LGBT Rights, Business, Political and Personal Freedom, Civil Rights, Patriotism.



Anti- Communism, Fascism, Feminazi, Surveillance, Torture, Welfare.
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Postby Degenerate Heart of HetRio » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:57 pm

Settrah wrote:Social democracy.
+
Libertarianism.

Huh?

Right-wing and capitalist libertarianism are not the sole forms of it.
Pro: Communism/anarchism, Indigenous rights, MOGAI stuff, bodily autonomy, disability rights, environmentalism
Meh: Animal rights, non-harmful religion/superstition, militant atheism, left-leaning reform of capitalism
Anti: Dyadic superstructure (sex-gender birth designation and hierarchy), positivism, conservatism, imperialism, Zionism, Orientalism, fascism, religious right, bending to reactionary concerns before freedom/common concern, fraudulent beliefs and ideologies

Formerly "Hetalian Indie Rio de Janeiro".

Compass: -10.00, -9.13
S-E Ideology: Demc. Socialist (92% ditto/Marxist, 75% Anarchist/Social democrat, 0% etc)
S-E school of thought: Communist (100% ditto, 96% Post-Keynesian)

Though this says I'm a social democrat, I'm largely a left communist.

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Postby Highever » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:57 pm

Utyuilohkm wrote:I am Nationalist Libertarian or Anarchist.

I believe rules are meant to be broken.

Pro- LGBT Fights, Business, Political and Personal Freedom, Civil Rights, Patriotism.



Anti- Communism, Fascism, Feminazi, Surveillance, Torture, Welfare.

Is this a new thing the UFC is starting?
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Postby Fortschritte » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:58 pm

Settrah wrote:
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:I support communism, social anarchism and radical social democracy without much of a meaningful distinction between them. I think we ultra-leftists should be strong allies of each other, at least until we can meaningfully reorganize, and that we aren't a threat to each other's revolutions, but rather more valuable as allies.

I have a few liberal beliefs, but they mostly strengthen my libertarianism instead of turning me into a "moderate" or approaching me to right-wing ideology (yikes!).


Social democracy.
+
Libertarianism.

Huh?


Outside of the US, libertarianism isn't necessarily a right wing ideology. In many countries, the term either refers to socially liberal viewpoints, or to far left wing ideologies, like Libertarian Socialism and Anarcho-Communism.
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Postby Preussen-Deutschland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 5:58 pm

Sons of Mars wrote:
Preussen-Deutschland wrote:The only people who should have limited rights are Communists. They are not human, they are subhuman.


You're implying they should have any rights at all.

I never said they shouldn't have rights. They get the basic rights but they are not allowed to have anything other than basic human rights. Communist untermensch filth don't even deserve those.
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Postby Transyl » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:00 pm

We're pretty much Authoritarian, a Dictatorship, and were Fascists so yea...
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Postby Welskerland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:01 pm

Kumuri wrote:
Preussen-Deutschland wrote:KILL THE REDS!

What do you have against Cincinnati's baseball team?


I think he means the G.O.P.
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Postby Constantinopolis » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:01 pm

I've never seen so many self-described fascists in one place as there were on the first page of this thread.

Weird.

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Authoritarianism score: 50%
Internationalism score: -83%
Tribalism score: 17%
Liberalism score: -50%
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Postby Preussen-Deutschland » Mon Dec 22, 2014 6:02 pm

Once my population grows, so will my military. The Modern Roman Republic is protecting me for now. They hold the same exact beliefs as me and will soon help me conquer Communists.
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