A judge passes racist remark : A deeper analysis ?

[Geilinor]

Shouldn't the OP be concerned about the plight of Indians in India rather than Indians abroad?

This^. As one of the people Manisdog is supposedly concerned about, I don't need his concern.

[Rio Cana]

The OP said in the Western Hemisphere. Thought it was in the Americas since Europe is in the Eastern Hemisphere. But did some checking and it seems part of Europe does fall in the Western Hemisphere. Ebola it also means the current Ebola outbreak happened in the Western hemisphere.

[Greater-London]

96 murders in 21 years equally to around 4.5 murders in one year, which does constitute as a trend coupled with other issues like this and many more that I have not touched or know about

Please stop saying trend because its making you look like a fool. Its not a trend unless over that period it went up to a peak or downward to nothing. 4.5 murders a year out of 808 is such an insignificant number there are hardly any confirmed cases of racially aggravated murder.

I love how you say "there are many more you don't know about" you have no evidence there is more you just assume there is, and if there isn't you will try to pretend there is. What we do have evidence for is your bigotry and Anglophobia.

[Greater-London]

And this isn't a discussion of every culture. It particularly looks at a UK case.

You can't try to hand wave it away with "the other kids did it too" childishness

Your right in that "everyone else does it" isn't a way of justifying something bad. There is racism in the UK, we all know this and its embarrassing.

However whilst it doesn't justify racism in the UK it is important to look at these instance comparatively before going for an all out hatchet job against the UK.

[Tagmatium]

And this isn't a discussion of every culture. It particularly looks at a UK case.

You can't try to hand wave it away with "the other kids did it too" childishness

Your right in that "everyone else does it" isn't a way of justifying something bad. There is racism in the UK, we all know this and its embarrassing.

However whilst it doesn't justify racism in the UK it is important to look at these instance comparatively before going for an all out hatchet job against the UK.

Why try to deny that all us British people are evil?

Everyone else in the world knows it.

[Fartsniffage]

Your right in that "everyone else does it" isn't a way of justifying something bad. There is racism in the UK, we all know this and its embarrassing.

However whilst it doesn't justify racism in the UK it is important to look at these instance comparatively before going for an all out hatchet job against the UK.

Why try to deny that all us British people are evil?

Everyone else in the world knows it.

Not all British people, only those with moustaches of twirlable length.....and capes. If you see a monocle then run.

[Marcurix]

Why try to deny that all us British people are evil?

Everyone else in the world knows it.

Not all British people, only those with moustaches of twirlable length.....and capes. If you see a monocle then run.

Does a kilt cancel any of that out?

[Fartsniffage]

Not all British people, only those with moustaches of twirlable length.....and capes. If you see a monocle then run.

Does a kilt cancel any of that out?

Oh my yes. How can you take anyone seriously who might be naked under their clothes?

[Tagmatium]

Why try to deny that all us British people are evil?

Everyone else in the world knows it.

Not all British people, only those with moustaches of twirlable length.....and capes. If you see a monocle then run.

You get varying degrees.

Evil, inbred country bumpkins, evil aristocrats, and sinister Cockneys.

That's all who live into the UK.

[Katganistan]

He resigned in disgrace.

I think that says all it needs to about whether or not he should have said it.

[Greater-London]

Does a kilt cancel any of that out?

Oh absolutely!

The agreement is that the skeletons in the UK's closet where all the fault of the English; the Celtic nations where the first victims of English imperialism which means even after the union you guys don't have to take the blame.

In exchange for this we lay claim to all your great sportsman, writers and scientists who get called British instead of Scottish, Welsh or Irish. It's not that bad a set up for either side.

[Manisdog]

The question is why was such an argument been presented could it be stated that it also implies that Indians would be safer in Britain because they won't be murdered by fellow Indians, I see the white man's burden argument here

Personal safety, security of possessions, involvement in the political process, right to a fair trial, education prospects, freedom to work.

These are just some of the things I would be considering if I were to emigrate. Personal safety comes first on my list so it is what I would consider first. Not being dead is very important when it comes to taking advantage of those other things I'd like in my new nation.

My point is simple, statistically speaking an Indian is less likely to be murdered in the UK than in India so it is safer. Therefore, despite all your bitching and moaning about racially motivated murder in the UK, it isn't an argument against travelling to the west.

From that list Singapore, Algeria, Hong Kong ( Which is fucking awesome), Indonesia are better than Britain. There are more murders in the United states than in India, does that make the case of people from the USA should emigrate to India because India is safer for Americans than America ?

I am deducing everything from your own source

[The Matthew Islands]

Personal safety, security of possessions, involvement in the political process, right to a fair trial, education prospects, freedom to work.

These are just some of the things I would be considering if I were to emigrate. Personal safety comes first on my list so it is what I would consider first. Not being dead is very important when it comes to taking advantage of those other things I'd like in my new nation.

My point is simple, statistically speaking an Indian is less likely to be murdered in the UK than in India so it is safer. Therefore, despite all your bitching and moaning about racially motivated murder in the UK, it isn't an argument against travelling to the west.

From that list Singapore, Algeria, Hong Kong ( Which is fucking awesome), Indonesia are better than Britain. There are more murders in the United states than in India, does that make the case of people from the USA should emigrate to India because India is safer for Americans than America ?

I am deducing everything from your own source

I don't think anybody here is claiming that people should move from X because Y is safer.

I think you are reading too much into what Fartsniffage is saying.

[European Socialist Republic]

Why try to deny that all us British people are evil?

Everyone else in the world knows it.

Not all British people, only those with moustaches of twirlable length.....and capes. If you see a monocle then run.

And a top hat?

[Manisdog]

Another example of a racist judge

http://rt.com/uk/215595-g4s-impunity-ma ... r-mubengo/

in light of this new evidence, my arguement has become ever more stronger and better

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

Another example of a racist judge

http://rt.com/uk/215595-g4s-impunity-ma ... r-mubengo/

in light of this new evidence, my arguement has become ever more stronger and better

Have you yet made a post that isn't Anglophobe on this site? Two judges, just two so yes your argument has gotten stronger but 2 judges out of an entire establishment isn't too bad, there are always rotten apples in a bunch. Twice as many as one is still two, no matter how hard you drum it up

[The Matthew Islands]

Another example of a racist judge

http://rt.com/uk/215595-g4s-impunity-ma ... r-mubengo/

in light of this new evidence, my arguement has become ever more stronger and better

And this isn't even its final form!

The judge decided that the texts had nothing to do with the case. They were being charged with manslaughter, not a racially motivated attack.

*edit* Christ, It took me like, 3 seconds to find evidence of racist attacks in India. By your logic, do we get to declare all of India racist?

[Manisdog]

Another example of a racist judge

http://rt.com/uk/215595-g4s-impunity-ma ... r-mubengo/

in light of this new evidence, my arguement has become ever more stronger and better

And this isn't even its final form!

The judge decided that the texts had nothing to do with the case. They were being charged with manslaughter, not a racially motivated attack.

I am sure that in a "civilized and liberal" democracy like Britain racially motivated attacks carry additional terms and the judge withheld crucial information

[Manisdog]

And this isn't even its final form!

The judge decided that the texts had nothing to do with the case. They were being charged with manslaughter, not a racially motivated attack.

I am sure that in a "civilized and liberal" democracy like Britain racially motivated attacks carry additional terms and the judge withheld crucial information

Or Racially motivated negligence

[The Matthew Islands]

And this isn't even its final form!

The judge decided that the texts had nothing to do with the case. They were being charged with manslaughter, not a racially motivated attack.

I am sure that in a "civilized and liberal" democracy like Britain racially motivated attacks carry additional terms and the judge withheld crucial information

Well yes, crucial information if they were being charged with a racially motivated attack. They were charged with manslaughter.

[Manisdog]

I am sure that in a "civilized and liberal" democracy like Britain racially motivated attacks carry additional terms and the judge withheld crucial information

Well yes, crucial information if they were being charged with a racially motivated attack. They were charged with manslaughter.

But can this manslaughter be racially motivated and considering that this man does not value the lives of immigrants

[Hirota]

*edit* Christ, It took me like, 3 seconds to find evidence of racist attacks in India. By your logic, do we get to declare all of India racist?

By Manisdog "logic", not only can we make that declaration, but we can continue to make it regardless of how many rational counterpoints are made.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

I am sure that in a "civilized and liberal" democracy like Britain racially motivated attacks carry additional terms and the judge withheld crucial information

Or Racially motivated negligence

Or grasping at straws

[The Matthew Islands]

Well yes, crucial information if they were being charged with a racially motivated attack. They were charged with manslaughter.

But can this manslaughter be racially motivated and considering that this man does not value the lives of immigrants

According to, I'm assuming, the crown prosecution service, no, it can't in this case.

[Manisdog]

But can this manslaughter be racially motivated and considering that this man does not value the lives of immigrants

According to, I'm assuming, the crown prosecution service, no, it can't in this case.

According to a British agency of course it cannot, but the truth is that there is criminal negligence because the charged did not care about the life of a person from a different race