Transhumanism

[United Marxist Nations]

Anyway, I firmly believe that if transhumans existed, it would be our duty to destroy them, in order to defend the future of Homo sapiens.

It was bad enough when we had lunatics running around just thinking they were the master race. Imagine how much worse it would have been if they were actually right about that.

Human evolution could be managed in a democratic, collectivist manner, where we all evolve at the same pace. A socialist idea of transhumanism...

True, but this would probably have to be done after the dictatorship of the proletariat has been established, to be managed and implemented in such an organized fashion.

[The Lotophagi]

I'm assuming it's meant to be a dig at Soviet Union's ideological conception of the 'New Soviet Man'.

Um, that was never meant in a biological or transhuman sense.

It was meant to imply that, in the right kind of society, everyone would be a model citizen. There's more to it than that, but this is the basic point.

Hence why the OP is probably misunderstanding it, and why they stuck it in the same category as eugenics.

Anyway, I firmly believe that if transhumans existed, it would be our duty to destroy them, in order to defend the future of Homo sapiens.

It was bad enough when we had lunatics running around just thinking they were the master race. Imagine how much worse it would have been if they were actually right about that.

See, I can understand arguments against transhumanism upon economic grounds, but this is kind of insane. Surely the answer to having the means to create a posthuman condition is to spread it to everyone, not dial the Luddism up to 11 and kill everyone with GoogleRetinas.

[The Sotoan Union]

We've had many of these threads before, so I don't think this will get anywhere new.

I support transhumanism but I don't see myself living long enough to experience it.

Yeah why can't we just have a continuous one?

[The New Sea Territory]

Human evolution could be managed in a democratic, collectivist manner, where we all evolve at the same pace. A socialist idea of transhumanism...

True, but this would probably have to be done after the dictatorship of the proletariat has been established, to be managed and implemented in such an organized fashion.

I think it's compatible with really any socialist political system. Other than primitivism, of course.

[Constantinopolis]

Anyway, I firmly believe that if transhumans existed, it would be our duty to destroy them, in order to defend the future of Homo sapiens.
It was bad enough when we had lunatics running around just thinking they were the master race. Imagine how much worse it would have been if they were actually right about that.

Human evolution could be managed in a democratic, collectivist manner, where we all evolve at the same pace. A socialist idea of transhumanism...

Perhaps, but that certainly cannot happen within the capitalist society we have today.

So yes, if society were to change - for example through a socialist revolution - then I would need to reconsider my stance on transhumanism. Until that happens, however, transhumanism must be opposed.

[United Marxist Nations]

True, but this would probably have to be done after the dictatorship of the proletariat has been established, to be managed and implemented in such an organized fashion.

I think it's compatible with really any socialist political system. Other than primitivism, of course.

It would, but for the organization and mobilization of the resources and research required, it would likely require a great deal of central planning.

[Scomagia]

Human evolution could be managed in a democratic, collectivist manner, where we all evolve at the same pace. A socialist idea of transhumanism...

True, but this would probably have to be done after the dictatorship of the proletariat has been established, to be managed and implemented in such an organized fashion.

What happens to those who want nothing to do with your Dictatorship of the Proletariat or Transhumanism?

[The Sotoan Union]

Human evolution could be managed in a democratic, collectivist manner, where we all evolve at the same pace. A socialist idea of transhumanism...

True, but this would probably have to be done after the dictatorship of the proletariat has been established, to be managed and implemented in such an organized fashion.

Well you guys can talk about philosophical transhumanism and its capitalism embargo all you want, but in thirty years I'll still buy my processing chip from Wal-Mart.

[United Marxist Nations]

True, but this would probably have to be done after the dictatorship of the proletariat has been established, to be managed and implemented in such an organized fashion.

What happens to those who want nothing to do with your Dictatorship of the Proletariat or Transhumanism?

Then they don't have to do transhumanism; not even sure a dictatorship of the proletariat would do it unless a large enough group advocated for it. Although it would likely do so because it could lead to either greater production or lesser need for production when complete.

[United Marxist Nations]

True, but this would probably have to be done after the dictatorship of the proletariat has been established, to be managed and implemented in such an organized fashion.

Well you guys can talk about philosophical transhumanism and its capitalism embargo all you want, but in thirty years I'll still buy my processing chip from Wal-Mart.

Fall of the Berlin Wal-Mart.

[The New Sea Territory]

Well you guys can talk about philosophical transhumanism and its capitalism embargo all you want, but in thirty years I'll still buy my processing chip from Wal-Mart.

Fall of the Berlin Wal-Mart.

Lololol.

[Scomagia]

What happens to those who want nothing to do with your Dictatorship of the Proletariat or Transhumanism?

Then they don't have to do transhumanism; not even sure a dictatorship of the proletariat would do it unless a large enough group advocated for it. Although it would likely do so because it could lead to either greater production or lesser need for production when complete.

You sure? What happens when they're no longer "productive" because they aren't as fast or strong as Transhumans?

[The Lotophagi]

I think it's compatible with really any socialist political system. Other than primitivism, of course.

It would, but for the organization and mobilization of the resources and research required, it would likely require a great deal of central planning.

The future, IMO, lies in massively-distributed decentralized economies run by things like AIs, not the lumbering human-driven bureaucracies of the 20th century.

Then they don't have to do transhumanism; not even sure a dictatorship of the proletariat would do it unless a large enough group advocated for it. Although it would likely do so because it could lead to either greater production or lesser need for production when complete.

You sure? What happens when they're no longer "productive" because they aren't as fast or strong as Transhumans?

"We are the State Security Borg. Lower your tools and surrender peacefully. We will add your biological and social distinctiveness to our own. Your neural architecture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

[United Marxist Nations]

Then they don't have to do transhumanism; not even sure a dictatorship of the proletariat would do it unless a large enough group advocated for it. Although it would likely do so because it could lead to either greater production or lesser need for production when complete.

You sure? What happens when they're no longer "productive" because they aren't as fast or strong as Transhumans?

Then they would likely be applied elsewhere. And that's even assuming that transhumanism would take that leap; more likely it would be greater integration of computers than increasing physical capacity.

[The New Sea Territory]

It would, but for the organization and mobilization of the resources and research required, it would likely require a great deal of central planning.

The future, IMO, lies in massively-distributed decentralized economies run by things like AIs, not the lumbering human-driven bureaucracies of the 20th century.

Agreed, and distribution of transhumanist evolution could be done in an egalitarian way through decentralized AI management, devoid of corruption from a vanguard party.

[Scomagia]

You sure? What happens when they're no longer "productive" because they aren't as fast or strong as Transhumans?

Then they would likely be applied elsewhere. And that's even assuming that transhumanism would take that leap; more likely it would be greater integration of computers than increasing physical capacity.

Applied where? Where could they be applied that Transhumans wouldn't be more efficient?

There's no reason to assume that Trans-humanism wouldn't result in both physical and mental enhancement.

[Scomagia]

The future, IMO, lies in massively-distributed decentralized economies run by things like AIs, not the lumbering human-driven bureaucracies of the 20th century.

Agreed, and distribution of transhumanist evolution could be done in an egalitarian way through decentralized AI management, devoid of corruption from a vanguard party.

Who's programming these AI's?

[Kravanica]

Transhumanism would be a huge next step. I support it, though I doubt I'll live long enough to see it.

[The New Sea Territory]

Agreed, and distribution of transhumanist evolution could be done in an egalitarian way through decentralized AI management, devoid of corruption from a vanguard party.

Who's programming these AI's?

Specifically, no clue. To be honest, transhumanism is like post-scarcity to me. It's plausible and would have some pretty cool implications but it's very, very far into the future, so trying to theorize about it is difficult. I've just been talking about of my ass this entire thread about it.

[Empire of Narnia]

The future, IMO, lies in massively-distributed decentralized economies run by things like AIs, not the lumbering human-driven bureaucracies of the 20th century.

Agreed, and distribution of transhumanist evolution could be done in an egalitarian way through decentralized AI management, devoid of corruption from a vanguard party.

So you think the world will be like my NationStates nation with animatronics and supercomputers running the country?

Cool!

[United Marxist Nations]

Then they would likely be applied elsewhere. And that's even assuming that transhumanism would take that leap; more likely it would be greater integration of computers than increasing physical capacity.

Applied where? Where could they be applied that Transhumans wouldn't be more efficient?

There's no reason to assume that Trans-humanism wouldn't result in both physical and mental enhancement.

If not everyone is a transhuman (as in your scenario, and in any likely scenario), then they couldn't all be replaced with them, so ordinary people would always be in high-demand.

[Revanchism]

The future, IMO, lies in massively-distributed decentralized economies run by things like AIs, not the lumbering human-driven bureaucracies of the 20th century.

Agreed, and distribution of transhumanist evolution could be done in an egalitarian way through decentralized AI management, devoid of corruption from a vanguard party.

Assuming AI would be incorruptible and unbiased.

[Scomagia]

Applied where? Where could they be applied that Transhumans wouldn't be more efficient?

There's no reason to assume that Trans-humanism wouldn't result in both physical and mental enhancement.

If not everyone is a transhuman (as in your scenario, and in any likely scenario), then they couldn't all be replaced with them, so ordinary people would always be in high-demand.

If there weren't enough Trans-humans, they'd be replaced with robots, instead. So I'll modify the question. Where would these people be applied that a Trans-human or machine wouldn't be more effective?

[The Lotophagi]

Agreed, and distribution of transhumanist evolution could be done in an egalitarian way through decentralized AI management, devoid of corruption from a vanguard party.

Who's programming these AI's?

Probably any number of people. If I had to guess the first AIs would probably come out of a corporation's labs, but if/when its began to be distributed and tinkered with on the Internet (as it probably would, in our increasingly piracy-dominated media ecosystem), anyone with the expertise to work on the code could work on them.

These wouldn't likely be fully self-aware AIs, it should be noted, but just sufficiently intelligent software entities to run resource allocation systems.

[The New Sea Territory]

so ordinary people would always be in high-demand.

There will always be people with weird fetishes...