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Postby Benuty » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:55 pm

Teemant wrote:
Benuty wrote:Yeah.....screw those people who are different from us because they overthrew the US mafia backed dictator we had in power!


Did I say that I support dictatorship? When was last free and fair elections in Cuba held? You don't know what Cuban people want. Currently they have no right to say what they want because they will be punished by regime then.

Oh grow up.

Cuba isn't going to change because a bunch of assholes in Miami convince Congress to get the President to continue the blockade. Not to mention the Castro's keep staying in power because of such things the US is doing. I mean hell it took Obama to think "hmm..you know this is a shitty policy lets start changing it" after fifty years of "We will beat Castro one day now lets plan to invade Cuba, and assassinate more people".
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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:56 pm

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It has. The Castro regime is paying high price because of the embargo.

I can assure you, it's not the regime or its elites that are suffering.

I agree. Remember, the enemy is never the common people, is the people in charge. And even in poor nations, there's usually at least some wealth. Cutting goods off just means the leaders hog it more, and the only ones who suffer are the innocents. Castro is the enemy America wants to bring down, the common folk don't deserve this.

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Postby Benuty » Sat Dec 20, 2014 1:59 pm

Speaking of Congress Marco Rubio needs to get that stick out of their ass concerning Cuba.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:01 pm

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And this lingering resentment in the form of an embargo has changed nothing so why keep it up?

Yes it dod. It keept Cuba poor as a reminder that it would never be developed as prior to the revolution. Due to the santions Rauls was forced to allow free enterprise on kinor steps. It gave also hope to the Cuban opposition.

But what is here about are principals. The Cuban gov comiteed atrocities on Americans and it isjust treason to collaborate with it. Obama is acting like Vidkun Quisling.

So your reasoning is that we should punish the Cuban people and keep them poor for the actions of their government? It's been fifty years and Jack shit has occurred. It is not treason in the slightest to lift it, especially when you're reasoning is "but they did bad things in the past".
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:10 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
Buse wrote:Yes it dod. It keept Cuba poor as a reminder that it would never be developed as prior to the revolution. Due to the santions Rauls was forced to allow free enterprise on kinor steps. It gave also hope to the Cuban opposition.

But what is here about are principals. The Cuban gov comiteed atrocities on Americans and it isjust treason to collaborate with it. Obama is acting like Vidkun Quisling.

So your reasoning is that we should punish the Cuban people and keep them poor for the actions of their government? It's been fifty years and Jack shit has occurred. It is not treason in the slightest to lift it, especially when you're reasoning is "but they did bad things in the past".

Shit, if that was a justification, we wouldn't be trading with anyone.
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Postby Rio Cana » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:14 pm

Buse wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
And this lingering resentment in the form of an embargo has changed nothing so why keep it up?

Yes it dod. It keept Cuba poor as a reminder that it would never be developed as prior to the revolution. Due to the santions Rauls was forced to allow free enterprise on kinor steps. It gave also hope to the Cuban opposition.

But what is here about are principals. The Cuban gov comiteed atrocities on Americans and it isjust treason to collaborate with it. Obama is acting like Vidkun Quisling.


US had much losses in fighting the Chinese waves in the Korean war. And how about what happened in Vietnam . In Vietnam the US lost 58000 soldiers which is plenty. And today the US has relations with both nations.

Remember, that at least when it came to China that the US leadership was very anti-Communist. Even though he went to China to pave the way for official diplomatic ties with the Communist Chinese.


The U.S. embargo on Vietnam was eventually lifted in February 1994. Formal normalization of U.S.-Vietnam diplomatic relations took place in 1995, followed by booming trade volumes between the two countries in the subsequent years.
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Postby Kubra » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:15 pm

Buse wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
And this lingering resentment in the form of an embargo has changed nothing so why keep it up?

Yes it dod. It keept Cuba poor as a reminder that it would never be developed as prior to the revolution. Due to the santions Rauls was forced to allow free enterprise on kinor steps. It gave also hope to the Cuban opposition.

But what is here about are principals. The Cuban gov comiteed atrocities on Americans and it isjust treason to collaborate with it. Obama is acting like Vidkun Quisling.
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Postby Buse » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:20 pm

Soldati senza confini wrote:
Buse wrote:Yes it dod. It keept Cuba poor as a reminder that it would never be developed as prior to the revolution. Due to the santions Rauls was forced to allow free enterprise on kinor steps. It gave also hope to the Cuban opposition.

But what is here about are principals. The Cuban gov comiteed atrocities on Americans and it isjust treason to collaborate with it. Obama is acting like Vidkun Quisling.


It's been 50 years.

What the fuck is there about this other than getting a huge defiant hardon? That's literally what you're suggesting, the cause muh fulins we should keep it.


You know 70 years has been past from the Holocaust. Why are we still chasing Nazi war criminals? The same amounth of time since Israel was created yet the liberals are still insisting that it does not exist. Why? Especially so many time has past
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:22 pm

Buse wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
It's been 50 years.

What the fuck is there about this other than getting a huge defiant hardon? That's literally what you're suggesting, the cause muh fulins we should keep it.


You know 70 years has been past from the Holocaust. Why are we still chasing Nazi war criminals? The same amounth of time since Israel was created yet the liberals are still insisting that it does not exist. Why? Especially so many time has past

You're comparing policies that have worked to a useless policy.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:25 pm

Murkwood wrote:I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.

So in other words, we would be sending the impression to Cubans that America is still blinded by ideological hatred. Sets a great example for Capitalism, doesn't it?
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:27 pm

Buse wrote:
Soldati senza confini wrote:
It's been 50 years.

What the fuck is there about this other than getting a huge defiant hardon? That's literally what you're suggesting, the cause muh fulins we should keep it.


You know 70 years has been past from the Holocaust. Why are we still chasing Nazi war criminals? The same amounth of time since Israel was created yet the liberals are still insisting that it does not exist. Why? Especially so many time has past

Except we have actually found Nazi war criminals and thus it is a successful endeavour. The embargo is not. And I didn't know all liberals said Israel does not exist. Great unfounded generalization.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:43 pm

Buse wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
And this lingering resentment in the form of an embargo has changed nothing so why keep it up?

Yes it dod. It keept Cuba poor as a reminder that it would never be developed as prior to the revolution. Due to the santions Rauls was forced to allow free enterprise on kinor steps. It gave also hope to the Cuban opposition.

But what is here about are principals. The Cuban gov comiteed atrocities on Americans and it isjust treason to collaborate with it. Obama is acting like Vidkun Quisling.


How about you and all your anti-Cuba buddies move to Texas, secede from the Union, and make your own embargo? Then the rest of us can be done with the Cold War.
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Postby Glorious KASSRD » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:44 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Buse wrote:Yes it dod. It keept Cuba poor as a reminder that it would never be developed as prior to the revolution. Due to the santions Rauls was forced to allow free enterprise on kinor steps. It gave also hope to the Cuban opposition.

But what is here about are principals. The Cuban gov comiteed atrocities on Americans and it isjust treason to collaborate with it. Obama is acting like Vidkun Quisling.


How about you and all your anti-Cuba buddies move to Texas, secede from the Union, and make your own embargo? Then the rest of us can be done with the Cold War.

No no no, please don't send them to Texas. We like staying in America.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:48 pm

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How about you and all your anti-Cuba buddies move to Texas, secede from the Union, and make your own embargo? Then the rest of us can be done with the Cold War.

No no no, please don't send them to Texas. We like staying in America.


Maybe Florida instead? A lot of them probably live there already.
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Postby Scomagia » Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:49 pm

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Glorious KASSRD wrote:No no no, please don't send them to Texas. We like staying in America.


Maybe Florida instead? A lot of them probably live there already.

Shoot em out into space and let the aliens deal with them.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:34 pm

Glorious KASSRD wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
How about you and all your anti-Cuba buddies move to Texas, secede from the Union, and make your own embargo? Then the rest of us can be done with the Cold War.

No no no, please don't send them to Texas. We like staying in America.

^ this
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:37 pm

Buse wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:
And this lingering resentment in the form of an embargo has changed nothing so why keep it up?

Yes it dod. It keept Cuba poor as a reminder that it would never be developed as prior to the revolution.

Cuba is actually rich compared to most Central American countries.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:44 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:So your reasoning is that we should punish the Cuban people and keep them poor for the actions of their government? It's been fifty years and Jack shit has occurred. It is not treason in the slightest to lift it, especially when you're reasoning is "but they did bad things in the past".

Shit, if that was a justification, we wouldn't be trading with anyone.

Considering some of the harm we've done to other nations, no one would trade with the US if they followed that logic. Most of central America, the UK, France, Germany.....
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Postby Conserative Morality » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:45 pm

Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Considering some of the harm we've done to other nations, no one would trade with the US if they followed that logic.

I was going for that angle too.
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Postby Bezkoshtovnya » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:48 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Bezkoshtovnya wrote:Considering some of the harm we've done to other nations, no one would trade with the US if they followed that logic.

I was going for that angle too.

Ah.

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Postby Mushet » Sat Dec 20, 2014 3:49 pm

Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Glorious KASSRD wrote:No no no, please don't send them to Texas. We like staying in America.


Maybe Florida instead? A lot of them probably live there already.

My homegirl want to move there, and her mom lives there, and I wanna visit Miami one day and they'll ruin it! :(

Let's put them on a brand new reservation in bumfuck or something ;)
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Postby Benuty » Sat Dec 20, 2014 4:51 pm

Mushet wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:
Maybe Florida instead? A lot of them probably live there already.

My homegirl want to move there, and her mom lives there, and I wanna visit Miami one day and they'll ruin it! :(

Let's put them on a brand new reservation in bumfuck or something ;)

Are you saying they are homosexual?
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:30 pm

Benuty wrote:
Mushet wrote:My homegirl want to move there, and her mom lives there, and I wanna visit Miami one day and they'll ruin it! :(

Let's put them on a brand new reservation in bumfuck or something ;)

Are you saying they are homosexual?


Some of them probably are, but you don't have to be homosexual to bumfuck.
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Benuty wrote:
Mushet wrote:My homegirl want to move there, and her mom lives there, and I wanna visit Miami one day and they'll ruin it! :(

Let's put them on a brand new reservation in bumfuck or something ;)

Are you saying they are homosexual?

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Postby Buse » Sat Dec 20, 2014 6:29 pm

Kubra wrote:nationalized property
>all of sudden "comiteed atrocities"

lol

Yes. The thing is that all American citizens left the island. some would even dare to call it etnical cleanings.
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