US/Cuba to Begin Talks

[Wisconsin9]

'bout fucking time.

[Eastern Equestria]

It's HDI is 44th. The ranking in that list is based off of regular HDI. Cuba would undoubedtly be much lower on a list of countries ranked by their IHDI.

The link says "inequality-adjusted".

Why don't you try actually looking at the source you provided?

Cuba's 44th in the column tagged "HDI Rank". In the column for inequality-adjusted HDI, it's blank.

[Banderia]

Cuba should first pay off money to American citisens who lost their assets during the nationalisation. After that the US could start talkings with Cuba. If Obama does not do that than he is unpatriotic.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Cuba should first pay off money to American citisens who lost their assets during the nationalisation. After that the US could start talkings with Cuba. If Obama does not do that than he is unpatriotic.

You do realize this revolution happened by the 50s.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Cuba should first pay off money to American citisens who lost their assets during the nationalisation. After that the US could start talkings with Cuba. If Obama does not do that than he is unpatriotic.

Nobody cares about those debts, especially the United States.

It'd be like asking Panama to give us back the Panama Canal.

[Banderia]

Cuba should first pay off money to American citisens who lost their assets during the nationalisation. After that the US could start talkings with Cuba. If Obama does not do that than he is unpatriotic.

You do realize this revolution happened by the 50s.

Yes, and crimes do not go just so unpunished. Cuba does not have to give money but insread give the them a property in Cuba instead.

[Estado Nacional]

Cuba should first pay off money to American citisens who lost their assets during the nationalisation. After that the US could start talkings with Cuba. If Obama does not do that than he is unpatriotic.

Nobody cares about those debts, especially the United States.

It'd be like asking Panama to give us back the Panama Canal.

Not a good comparison, given that the US voluntarily gave away the canal to Panama.

[Banderia]

Cuba should first pay off money to American citisens who lost their assets during the nationalisation. After that the US could start talkings with Cuba. If Obama does not do that than he is unpatriotic.

Nobody cares about those debts, especially the United States.

It'd be like asking Panama to give us back the Panama Canal.

Well the owners and their sucessors still do and without satifying them Obama would come under the critics of the opposition and Cuban emigre.

Also you comparison with US giving voluntarly the Panama Canal is not quite well when somebody rob you against the will like in the case of nationalisation.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Nobody cares about those debts, especially the United States.

It'd be like asking Panama to give us back the Panama Canal.

Not a good comparison, given that the US voluntarily gave away the canal to Panama.

And they lost everything in the revolution by being fuckers about Latin America before, during and after the time it happened.

"Perdeu, playboy cowboy".

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Nobody cares about those debts, especially the United States.

It'd be like asking Panama to give us back the Panama Canal.

Well the owners and their sucessors still do and without satifying them Obama would come under the critics of the opposition and Cuban emigre.

Also you comparison with US giving voluntarly the Panama Canal is not quite well when somebody rob you against the will like in the case of nationalisation.

Yea, well, I'm not perfect on analogies

Also, the reason why I say the United States could give a fuck less is mostly because the United States has always taken what they wanted anyhow, so why is it that now Cubans in the United States are so surprised to hear that the United States is opening relations with Cuba again? Because they thought the U.S. wouldn't be as pragmatic as that? U.S. Foreign Policy doesn't hinge on the will of the Cuban emigrants to do what they want, really. And if it will benefit our own interests, no matter what they are, then we will do it, whether Cubans here in the U.S. want it or not.

The United States didn't place the embargo out of altruistic reasons and "poor Cubans" and is not re-establishing relations with Cuba out of "poor Cubans" now.

[Kubra]

Cuba should first pay off money to American citisens who lost their assets during the nationalisation. After that the US could start talkings with Cuba. If Obama does not do that than he is unpatriotic.

Man this reminds of when France did pretty much the exact same thing to Haiti
man Haiti sure is a shithole
I wonder why

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Cuba should first pay off money to American citisens who lost their assets during the nationalisation. After that the US could start talkings with Cuba. If Obama does not do that than he is unpatriotic.

Man this reminds of when France did pretty much the exact same thing to Haiti
man Haiti sure is a shithole
I wonder why

Or the debts all River Plate basin countries contracted with the UK during the 19th century wars, but most particularly Paraguay.

[Eastern Equestria]

Well the owners and their sucessors still do and without satifying them Obama would come under the critics of the opposition and Cuban emigre.

Also you comparison with US giving voluntarly the Panama Canal is not quite well when somebody rob you against the will like in the case of nationalisation.

Yea, well, I'm not perfect on analogies

Also, the reason why I say the United States could give a fuck less is mostly because the United States has always taken what they wanted anyhow, so why is it that now Cubans in the United States are so surprised to hear that the United States is opening relations with Cuba again? Because they thought the U.S. wouldn't be as pragmatic as that? U.S. Foreign Policy doesn't hinge on the will of the Cuban emigrants to do what they want, really. And if it will benefit our own interests, no matter what they are, then we will do it, whether Cubans here in the U.S. want it or not.

The United States didn't place the embargo out of altruistic reasons and "poor Cubans" and is not re-establishing relations with Cuba out of "poor Cubans" now.

You can't blame Cubans and Cuban emigrants for not supporting a move that would benefit the authoritarian regime that shafted them and their country, even if it also helps them. But they need to realize that these injustices were never the reason this embargo was put in place.

[Islamic State of UKIP]

Good. About damn time the Yanks grew up a little bit

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You can't blame Cubans and Cuban emigrants for not supporting a move that would benefit the authoritarian regime that shafted them and their country, even if it also helps them. But it's also true that these injustices were never the reason this embargo was put in place.

You're right, of course. However, everyone outside of the United States also has known for years that the United States looks out for their own interests, not someone else's interests. That being said, I don't understand the outrage and shock people are expressing even though we already knew this was within the realm of possibilities as long as Cuba actually posed something useful to offer to us.

[Banderia]

Cuba should first pay off money to American citisens who lost their assets during the nationalisation. After that the US could start talkings with Cuba. If Obama does not do that than he is unpatriotic.

Man this reminds of when France did pretty much the exact same thing to Haiti
man Haiti sure is a shithole
I wonder why

Should I tell you why?

Because Haitis best years was when it was under French rule. It was a prosperous island with a high economy. Haitians did not learn how to run their country so they went how they went. At least they could be thankfull to the French people for cultivating the country. Since Haitis independence the land was becoming through time even more poor.

[Banderia]

Yea, well, I'm not perfect on analogies

Also, the reason why I say the United States could give a fuck less is mostly because the United States has always taken what they wanted anyhow, so why is it that now Cubans in the United States are so surprised to hear that the United States is opening relations with Cuba again? .

The US has not stolen anything from Cuba. It was quite the opposite America liberated from Spanish rule and gave it freedom. It is Americas first born child and it has responsibility for it. So, that exaplains why does hurt that actually Cuba became communist. America has a responsibility for Cuba to make it a better place as it can.

If Obama does it Miami will become a republican stronghold and that is not in the interest of progressives

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Man this reminds of when France did pretty much the exact same thing to Haiti
man Haiti sure is a shithole
I wonder why

Should I tell you why?

Because Haitis best years was when it was under French rule. It was a prosperous island with a high economy. Haitians did not learn how to run their country so they went how they went. At least they could be thankfull to the French people for cultivating the country.

Surely you don't mean the same Haiti in which slaves got tired of their bad treatment at the hands of the French national minority and ended up murdering them in what was akin to genocide of the ruling class.

[Eastern Equestria]

You can't blame Cubans and Cuban emigrants for not supporting a move that would benefit the authoritarian regime that shafted them and their country, even if it also helps them. But it's also true that these injustices were never the reason this embargo was put in place.

You're right, of course. However, everyone outside of the United States also has known for years that the United States looks out for their own interests, not someone else's interests. That being said, I don't understand the outrage and shock people are expressing even though we already knew this was within the realm of possibilities as long as Cuba actually posed something useful to offer to us.

I for one saw it as an inevitability.

[White Creek]

It is Americas first born child and it has responsibility for it.

Would you please stop with this Manifest Destiny bullcrap?

The concept of Westphalian sovereignty is one of the pillars of modern day international relations. America has no responsibility for Cuba.

[Kubra]

Man this reminds of when France did pretty much the exact same thing to Haiti
man Haiti sure is a shithole
I wonder why

Or the debts all River Plate basin countries contracted with the UK during the 19th century wars, but most particularly Paraguay.

Yeah, what the empires of old couldn't keep by direct force of arms they kept by the indirect force of arms under the guise of debt.

Man this reminds of when France did pretty much the exact same thing to Haiti
man Haiti sure is a shithole
I wonder why

Should I tell you why?

Because Haitis best years was when it was under French rule. It was a prosperous island with a high economy. Haitians did not learn how to run their country so they went how they went. At least they could be thankfull to the French people for cultivating the country.

I got an idea
I'll take more money from you than you currently make
and we'll see just how much you prosper

[Banderia]

Surely you don't mean the same Haiti in which slaves got tired of their bad treatment at the hands of the French national minority and ended up murdering them in what was akin to genocide of the ruling class.

You dont seem to be familar with Haiti. The French government after experincing revolution decided to abolish slavery. At that point the former slaves went on rapand genocide. But hey Kharma is bitch, now they ended as they did.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The US has not stolen anything from Cuba. It was quite the opposite America liberated from Spanish rule and gave it freedom. It is Americas first born child and it has responsibility for it. So, that exaplains why does hurt that actually Cuba became communist. America has a responsibility for Cuba to make it a better place as it can.

If Obama does it Miami will become a republican stronghold and that is not in the interest of progressives

Yea, by doing nothing, sticking their head in the sand, and hoping that the Cuban government goes down when it hasn't done so in half a century.

Also, stop with the parrochial bullshit. We both know that it wasn't some kind of "oh my God! Cuba is communist! I am sad!". The reason was that we felt insulted and acted like bullies that when their victim stands up they end up going "wah! They stood up to me! Wah! You meanie!"

The Cuban embargo and us cutting all diplomacy with Cuba was fucking pointless back then and it is fucking pointless now. The fact people think this is something so crucial for Cuba to fail and if we lift the embargo we'll end up failing are 50 years behind now.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Surely you don't mean the same Haiti in which slaves got tired of their bad treatment at the hands of the French national minority and ended up murdering them in what was akin to genocide of the ruling class.

You dont seem to be familar with Haiti. The French government after experincing revolution decided to abolish slavery. At that point the former slaves went on rapand genocide. But hey Kharma is bitch, now they ended as they did.

They abolished it a tad too late for that matter. Which is why the rampant genocide happened.

[Banderia]

I got an idea
I'll take more money from you than you currently make
and we'll see just how much you prosper

It depens. Did you investeted in my education, housing and food?

If yes, than I owe you something. That is why some firms gave stipendium to poor but hard working students. It is a deal.