US/Cuba to Begin Talks

[Al Nahar]

I've always thought it was weird that Americans can visit North Korea but not Cuba.

Americans can visit Cuba I think, as long as they have a visa and declare something else, there are charter flights from Miami to Havana I believe, at least when I was in Miami thats what I was told.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why? What is the point of keeping this useless embargo going?

Teaching a lesson to the Cuban government and the rest of Latin America.

That the United States hasn't learned its lesson in 50 years that the embargo hasn't work and they keep being hypocrites when they have established relations with most communist regimes they were against but not Cuba because "reasons"?

Because, that's the only lesson Latin America has caught on from this and most Latin American nations actually have established relations with Cuba. So you're doing nothing short of having a raging boner about Cold War situations and the insult to our pride that Cubans inflicted on us when we should have acted like adults and gotten over it.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

This is good. The US could use a few more allies. Yes, the US and Cuba have not had the best past, but hopefully things will work out! Yes, it would be better if Cuba's economy was free market, but maybe the US can install a Capitalist government into Cuba. That would be great!

You do know that previous attempts led to the current situation right?

[Benuty]

Marco Rubio is thumping his Tio Taco chest.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tio+Taco

I hope his bosses pay him well.

Well, that's offensive and racist. Good for you.

It isn't their fault Marco Rubio got a frontal lobotomy.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

How is Cuban embargo failed? It isn't. I think embargo won't be lifted.

How is it failed you ask? Maybe becouse Cuba doesn't give much shits abou that embargo? All countries have trade with Cuba except the US as far as i know, this already makes such embargo a failed one.

[BlueShores]

How is Cuban embargo failed? It isn't. I think embargo won't be lifted.

How is it failed you ask? Maybe becouse Cuba doesn't give much shits abou that embargo? All countries have trade with Cuba except the US as far as i know, this already makes such embargo a failed one.

Including Canada.

[Rio Cana]

Even China and Taiwan, which supposedly were sworn enemies, are in bed with each other. So this seems to be a smart decision by the US. Has I said before, this will greatly increase the US image in Latin America. And it helps the democrats. There are plenty of voting Hispanics in the US and its growing. So from a political standpoint this is a smart decision. In Latin America and the Caribbean, if you pick on one nation you tend to be view badly by the other nations.

[Rio Cana]

How is Cuban embargo failed? It isn't. I think embargo won't be lifted.

How is it failed you ask? Maybe becouse Cuba doesn't give much shits abou that embargo? All countries have trade with Cuba except the US as far as i know, this already makes such embargo a failed one.

The US has laws which affects third nations which traded with Cuba. This includes economically and in other things. For example, foreign cargo ships that dropped there cargo in Cuba could not travel to the US, which is a major world market, for around six months and so on.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

How is it failed you ask? Maybe becouse Cuba doesn't give much shits abou that embargo? All countries have trade with Cuba except the US as far as i know, this already makes such embargo a failed one.

Including Canada.

Canada?

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

How is it failed you ask? Maybe becouse Cuba doesn't give much shits abou that embargo? All countries have trade with Cuba except the US as far as i know, this already makes such embargo a failed one.

The US has laws which effects third nations which traded with Cuba. This includes economically and in other things. For example, foreign cargo ships that dropped there cargo in Cuba could not travel to the US, which is a major world market, for around six months and so on.

Still, it didn't really hold back international trade with Cuba that much. In the end trade with Cuba is very much alive from all over the world with the exeption of the US, who can't get over its trauma like usually. Anyhow, lets hope they can now.

[Greater Miami Shores]

How is it failed you ask? Maybe becouse Cuba doesn't give much shits abou that embargo? All countries have trade with Cuba except the US as far as i know, this already makes such embargo a failed one.

Including Canada.

I agree.

[Greater Miami Shores]

Apart from Cuban Americans visiting, sending food, money $ and care packages to thier families in Cuba. The only reason the embargo has failed, is cause of Canada, and the EU nations economic, trade and tourists to Cuba. As well as other nations. Including limited one way trade with the USA on a Cash basis. In return for nothing from the Cuban government. Political oppression of political dissidents continues. The one political party state continues.

The Cuban government only wants American loans and credits, American money $. Over 2,500,000 tourists from Canada, the EU nations and other nations visit Cuba each year, providing the Cuban government with hard currency money $.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Apart from Cuban Americans visiting, sending food, money $ and care packages to thier families in Cuba. The only reason the embargo has failed, is cause of Canada, and the EU nations economic, trade and tourists to Cuba. As well as other nations. Including limited one way trade with the USA on a Cash basis. In return for nothing from the Cuban government. Political oppression of political dissidents continues. The one political party state continues.

The Cuban government only wants American loans and credits, American money $. Over 2,500,000 tourists from Canada, the EU nations and other nations visit Cuba each year, providing the Cuban government with hard currency money $.

It's not like we have much of an excuse to keep the embargo either.

Vietnam is one of our close allies and they are in the same boat of the one political party states and political oppression of political dissidents continue too, so why the fuck is Vietnam different than Cuba?

[Southern Hampshire]

Because Obama is allowing trade with a terrorist state which made life for 1.8 million Cubans in America and a further 2 million Americans who owned holiday houses in America a living hell.

Marco Rubio is a refugee from Cuba, and if he says that Cuba is not ready for a release of an embargo, then it's true.

And yet we do not embargo China, the Sauds, and innumerable other governments, not to mention the US installed or supported several terrorist states themselves in the past.

Right, because there were millions of Americans owning personal property in PRC before they took over, and there are flocks and flocks and flocks of Chinese into America to escape the brutal and miserable regime.

What's Sauds?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Apart from Cuban Americans visiting, sending food, money $ and care packages to thier families in Cuba. The only reason the embargo has failed, is cause of Canada, and the EU nations economic, trade and tourists to Cuba. As well as other nations. Including limited one way trade with the USA on a Cash basis. In return for nothing from the Cuban government. Political oppression of political dissidents continues. The one political party state continues.

The Cuban government only wants American loans and credits, American money $. Over 2,500,000 tourists from Canada, the EU nations and other nations visit Cuba each year, providing the Cuban government with hard currency money $.

It's not like we have much of an excuse to keep the embargo either.

Vietnam is one of our close allies and they are in the same boat of the one political party states and political oppression of political dissidents continue too, so why the fuck is Vietnam different than Cuba?

Cause im a native born Cuban, now American citizen. The fact that we have economic, political, trade and tourist relations with Vietnam, China, ect, ect, ect, proves that trade, economic, political, cultural and tourist relations with Cuba (with the Cuban government), will not change the nature of the Cuban government.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

Apart from Cuban Americans visiting, sending food, money $ and care packages to thier families in Cuba. The only reason the embargo has failed, is cause of Canada, and the EU nations economic, trade and tourists to Cuba. As well as other nations. Including limited one way trade with the USA on a Cash basis. In return for nothing from the Cuban government. Political oppression of political dissidents continues. The one political party state continues.

The Cuban government only wants American loans and credits, American money $. Over 2,500,000 tourists from Canada, the EU nations and other nations visit Cuba each year, providing the Cuban government with hard currency money $.

Which is only great. This embargo has no reason at all, calling democracy a reason is just a joke when you look at several other US "allies". There's nothing wrong with Cuba that would justify an embargo.
I'm glad that i can visit Cuba whenever i want, its a great country.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And yet we do not embargo China, the Sauds, and innumerable other governments, not to mention the US installed or supported several terrorist states themselves in the past.

Right, because there were millions of Americans owning personal property in PRC before they took over, and there are flocks and flocks and flocks of Chinese into America to escape the brutal and miserable regime.

What's Sauds?

You do understand that in most of these countries during the time of the U.S. meddling in Latin America before their subsequent revolutions and civil wars the rich owned most of the land in these countries, right?

Castro did what he had to do after the United States staged the coup against Arbenz in Guatemala simply because their precious banana company was told that the government would reappropriate the land and pay reparations to the U.S. company, which made the company sad and we ended up toppling a good president and left the rest of Latin America irate against the United States.

Our subsequent operations by the CIA in Cuba didn't help establish much hope either.

[Meryuma]

Great! The embargo is the pettiest bullshit ever.

I believe that, until Cuba transitions into a free-market democracy, there should be no let up of sanctions.

Obama is making a really bad mistake.

What do you think of Saudi Arabia?

But wouldn't that be in direct opposition to the free market?

Sometimes, human rights trump the free market.

You were almost onto something here...

[Greater Miami Shores]

Apart from Cuban Americans visiting, sending food, money $ and care packages to thier families in Cuba. The only reason the embargo has failed, is cause of Canada, and the EU nations economic, trade and tourists to Cuba. As well as other nations. Including limited one way trade with the USA on a Cash basis. In return for nothing from the Cuban government. Political oppression of political dissidents continues. The one political party state continues.

The Cuban government only wants American loans and credits, American money $. Over 2,500,000 tourists from Canada, the EU nations and other nations visit Cuba each year, providing the Cuban government with hard currency money $.

Which is only great. This embargo has no reason at all, calling democracy a reason is just a joke when you look at several other US "allies". There's nothing wrong with Cuba that would justify an embargo.
I'm glad that i can visit Cuba whenever i want, its a great country.

Not according to my Cuban family in Cuba.

[The Seleucids (Ancient)]

It's not like we have much of an excuse to keep the embargo either.

Vietnam is one of our close allies and they are in the same boat of the one political party states and political oppression of political dissidents continue too, so why the fuck is Vietnam different than Cuba?

Cause im a native born Cuban, now American citizen. The fact that we have economic, political, trade and tourist relations with Vietnam, China, ect, ect, ect, proves that trade, economic, political, cultural and tourist relations with Cuba (with the Cuban government), will not change the nature of the Cuban government.

The reason why it exists can also be blamed on the US, or have you forgotten who was in charge before Castro?

[Arcanda]

Liberalization of the market does not makes a country liberal in the political meaning of the term.It didn't work with China, it will certainly not work with Cuba.

While I admire both leaders' peacefulness on this one, I still have my doubts.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Cause im a native born Cuban, now American citizen. The fact that we have economic, political, trade and tourist relations with Vietnam, China, ect, ect, ect, proves that trade, economic, political, cultural and tourist relations with Cuba (with the Cuban government), will not change the nature of the Cuban government.

And I'm a Native born Salvadoran, now American citizen.

It's not like the United States has an excuse, again, given the fact they have established relations with communist regimes that should give a clue to everyone the U.S. hardly gives a shit about that as long as the U.S. gets what it wants, like it has always happened.

The Cuban government being the Cuban government doesn't impact anything about the practicality of the embargo, it's still useless.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Which is only great. This embargo has no reason at all, calling democracy a reason is just a joke when you look at several other US "allies". There's nothing wrong with Cuba that would justify an embargo.
I'm glad that i can visit Cuba whenever i want, its a great country.

Not according to my Cuban family in Cuba.

Chinese people can also say the same about the U.S. trading with China. Yet we still do it.

Let's be honest with ourselves, the U.S. only did what it did for political reasons, not because of some humanitarian grandiose move like Cubans think.

[Arcanda]

Trading with Cuba was never a necessity, hence it was stopped.I do believe they stopped it because they could.Cuba is breaking Human Rights.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Trading with Cuba was never a necessity, hence it was stopped.I do believe they stopped it because they could.Cuba is breaking Human Rights.

Every country that we deal with that has been deplorable has broken Human Rights wantonly yet we don't embargo them for something like Human Rights.