Race In A Post-Racial America

[United States of Natan]

I think he is insane. I'm sure we all have some inherent racism in all of us, but he makes completely unfounded and invalid points. For one thing, why is it racist to have never dated a black person? there are other races, and I hate to say it, but our brains are programmed to like certain types of looks and people, and it is not our fault if our brain describes the perfect woman as Caucasian, brunette, and and long hair. Its just the way they are programmed. It does not make us racist, just because we don't find black people physically appealing.

[Wickedly evil people]

sounds like Obama, Holder, and Sharpton to me

[Benuty]

I think he is insane. I'm sure we all have some inherent racism in all of us, but he makes completely unfounded and invalid points. For one thing, why is it racist to have never dated a black person? there are other races, and I hate to say it, but our brains are programmed to like certain types of looks and people, and it is not our fault if our brain describes the perfect woman as Caucasian, brunette, and and long hair. Its just the way they are programmed. It does not make us racist, just because we don't find black people physically appealing.

One thing is for certain, they hit the jackpot of the strawman lottery.

Charlie would be proud.

[Fanosolia]

say out of curiosity, how are the Eu combating racism?

Most of that is up to the member-states. Laws banning hate speech or such is up to the member-states.

The EU helps encourage the passing of anti-discrimination laws and helps anti-discrimination organizations and all.

I don't know of any binding laws on the subject passed by the European Parliament.

Okay I was curious on those matters, what with the idea of institutional racism and all and I saw a headline like "things to learn from the uk about rascim". maybe there's a lesson there? I don't know.

I know it's must be tricky road to try and write those sorts of laws.

[Dakini]

Which ones?

"The best possible possible thing a white person can hope to be is a 'non-racist racist.'"
"Racism is homoerotic."
"It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white."
"It’s racist to live in Europe if you’re white."
"It’s not possible for a white person to not be racist."

...so, who was this lecturer? They sound like a strawman.

Dr. George Yancy

You know, it's funny because when I use Google, I cannot find direct quotes of him saying these things (I find plenty of people who claim he does, including the statement "It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white." which only appears in this thread).


So either he says ridiculous things when he gives talks that he would never write down or he doesn't actually say these things either.

[Avenio]

I think he is insane.

Can you really call a bundle of straw stuffed into an old set of overalls and mounted on a stick 'insane'?

[Olerand]

You know, it's funny because when I use Google, I cannot find direct quotes of him saying these things (I find plenty of people who claim he does, including the statement "It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white." which only appears in this thread).


So either he says ridiculous things when he gives talks that he would never write down or he doesn't actually say these things either.

I'll take a wild guess and go for the second option.

[Mushet]

Can you explain or elaborate on them so as to detail out why you came to the summations you did?

For example, what did he say that was best summed up as "It’s racist to go to college"?

There were several reasons given for going to college being racist, but it boiled down to the college mainly being attended by white people due to: economic privileges of white people, black students being told they shouldn't bother with school unless they're an athlete, a lack of racial diversity being unwelcoming to black students, and the history of blacks not being allowed to go to college.

I don't see much wrong with those points and doubt he called people racist simply for going to college.

[Fanosolia]

There were several reasons given for going to college being racist, but it boiled down to the college mainly being attended by white people due to: economic privileges of white people, black students being told they shouldn't bother with school unless they're an athlete, a lack of racial diversity being unwelcoming to black students, and the history of blacks not being allowed to go to college.

I don't see much wrong with those points and doubt he called people racist simply for going to college.

if it's a proper lecturer than it's probably him mentioning institutional racism and using that as an example. at least from what I hear about these subjects.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This sounds like a real oversimplification of the lecture.

[Mavorpen]

"The best possible possible thing a white person can hope to be is a 'non-racist racist.'"
"Racism is homoerotic."
"It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white."
"It’s racist to live in Europe if you’re white."
"It’s not possible for a white person to not be racist."



Dr. George Yancy

You know, it's funny because when I use Google, I cannot find direct quotes of him saying these things (I find plenty of people who claim he does, including the statement "It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white." which only appears in this thread).


So either he says ridiculous things when he gives talks that he would never write down or he doesn't actually say these things either.

And if there are THAT many people claiming that, you'd think someone would try to record the lecture after doing some research on the guy before the lecture.

I find it hard to believe that not a single person has done so.

[Jordanistan]

You know, it's funny because when I use Google, I cannot find direct quotes of him saying these things (I find plenty of people who claim he does, including the statement "It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white." which only appears in this thread).


So either he says ridiculous things when he gives talks that he would never write down or he doesn't actually say these things either.

He said it in that particular lecture. I have no clue if he's ever said it at any other time in his life, but I was in the room and he said it.

I don't see much wrong with those points and doubt he called people racist simply for going to college.

He did. The points bring up valid concerns like you said and I have no problem with them, it's his conclusions that I find absurd. Very similar situation with the homoeroticism thing.

[Scyobayrynn]

There was a guest lecture at my college a few weeks ago, and I just thought I'd post his main points and see what NS thinks about them:

It’s racist to be white.
It’s racist to have white ancestors.
It’s racist to not have black ancestors.
It’s racist to go to college.
It’s racist to have a job.
It’s racist to make money.
It’s racist to believe in capitalism.
It’s racist to try not to be racist.
It’s racist to feel like you fit in somewhere.
It’s racist to not know enough black people.
It’s racist to have never dated a black person.
It’s racist to watch porn if it’s a black man and white woman.
It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white.
It’s racist to live in Europe if you’re white.
It’s not possible for a white person to not be racist.
It is not possible for a black person to be racist unless they’re racist against black people.
It’s racist to have gone to the lecture if you are white.
It’s racist to not agree with anything on this list.
Racism is homoerotic.
Racism is homophobic.
The best possible possible thing a white person can hope to be is a "non-racist racist."

If you want more detail about any of his points, just ask and I'll explain it as best as I can. Also, the name of the thread was the name of the lecture. Forgot to add that detail.

Racism is promoted more through our societal lexicon than other medium, if we destroy the language of ethnic bigotry then we literally begin to kill the idea of ethnic bigotry. You dont kill weeds by chopping off the top, you take them out at the root.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I also have to question which talk was this one?

His latest talk is in October at Otterbein Uni in his web page titled "The Perception of Black Bodies in 'Post Racial' America".

[Dakini]

You know, it's funny because when I use Google, I cannot find direct quotes of him saying these things (I find plenty of people who claim he does, including the statement "It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white." which only appears in this thread).


So either he says ridiculous things when he gives talks that he would never write down or he doesn't actually say these things either.

And if there are THAT many people claiming that, you'd think someone would try to record the lecture after doing some research on the guy before the lecture.

I find it hard to believe that not a single person has done so.

Some speakers definitely indicate that they do not wish to be recorded when giving talks at university campuses (some professors do too), but if these were accurate statements that actually reflect what he believes and all, it's unlikely that he would only say these things at lectures. The guy writes for the public and he gives interviews that are published and available, after all. He's not some crackpot who had one shot at speaking to an audience.

[Fanosolia]

You know, it's funny because when I use Google, I cannot find direct quotes of him saying these things (I find plenty of people who claim he does, including the statement "It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white." which only appears in this thread).


So either he says ridiculous things when he gives talks that he would never write down or he doesn't actually say these things either.

He said it in that particular lecture. I have no clue if he's ever said it at any other time in his life, but I was in the room and he said it.

I don't see much wrong with those points and doubt he called people racist simply for going to college.

He did. The points bring up valid concerns like you said and I have no problem with them, it's his conclusions that I find absurd. Very similar situation with the homoeroticism thing.

yeah that conclusion is sort of a defeatist attitude.

[Master Shake]

You know, it's funny because when I use Google, I cannot find direct quotes of him saying these things (I find plenty of people who claim he does, including the statement "It’s racist to live in the United States if you’re white." which only appears in this thread).


So either he says ridiculous things when he gives talks that he would never write down or he doesn't actually say these things either.

He said it in that particular lecture. I have no clue if he's ever said it at any other time in his life, but I was in the room and he said it.

I don't see much wrong with those points and doubt he called people racist simply for going to college.

He did. The points bring up valid concerns like you said and I have no problem with them, it's his conclusions that I find absurd. Very similar situation with the homoeroticism thing.

All you silly kids and all your silly Iphones and yet not one of you have used those silly toys to RECORD the man when he is saying this stupid shit?

God I hate my generation...stop being stupid when you are using your "smart phone"....

just because you kids have them doesn't make you smarter for having them...

[MERIZoC]

This sounds like a real oversimplification of the lecture.

Or blatant lying.

[Jordanistan]

I also have to question which talk was this one?

His latest talk is in October at Otterbein Uni in his web page titled "The Perception of Black Bodies in 'Post Racial' America".

That was what it was called? My professor just called it "Race in Post-Racial America" when he told us about it. Only reason I went was because we got to skip a day class for attending, I didn't even know he existed an hour before it started. And shit that was in October? Time flies.

Some speakers definitely indicate that they do not wish to be recorded when giving talks at university campuses (some professors do too), but if these were accurate statements that actually reflect what he believes and all, it's unlikely that he would only say these things at lectures.

He didn't say anything about recording, and now I'm really wishing I had. Also, I know he brings up some points in his classes. He told us about one of his students objecting to all white people being racist by saying "my daughter is 5 months old, how can she be racist?" His response was "do you have any black friends? No? So your daughter is ever going to be cradled in the arms of a black man? Can you picture her growing up to date a black man, or marry one? No? Then how can she not be racist?" And then the student came to him after class with tears in his eyes saying "I understand now." Yes, I'm that sounds like a terrible copypasta. It was straight from his mouth.

[Master Shake]

I also have to question which talk was this one?

His latest talk is in October at Otterbein Uni in his web page titled "The Perception of Black Bodies in 'Post Racial' America".

That was what it was called? My professor just called it "Race in Post-Racial America" when he told us about it. Only reason I went was because we got to skip a day class for attending, I didn't even know he existed an hour before it started. And shit that was in October? Time flies.

Seriously...dude...you are like those kids in high school that see a movie for extra credit...

I'm surprised you even remember what the lecture was about...

Why did you wait almost three months to start this topic...may I ask?

[Mavorpen]

That was what it was called? My professor just called it "Race in Post-Racial America" when he told us about it. Only reason I went was because we got to skip a day class for attending, I didn't even know he existed an hour before it started. And shit that was in October? Time flies.

Seriously...dude...you are like those kids in high school that see a movie for extra credit...

I'm surprised you even remember what the lecture was about...

Why did you wait almost three months to start this topic...may I ask?

I think we all know why.

[Dakini]

I also have to question which talk was this one?

His latest talk is in October at Otterbein Uni in his web page titled "The Perception of Black Bodies in 'Post Racial' America".

That was what it was called? My professor just called it "Race in Post-Racial America" when he told us about it. Only reason I went was because we got to skip a day class for attending, I didn't even know he existed an hour before it started. And shit that was in October? Time flies.

You're quoting a lecture held two months ago?

And you expect us to believe that you got it right?

[Mavorpen]

That was what it was called? My professor just called it "Race in Post-Racial America" when he told us about it. Only reason I went was because we got to skip a day class for attending, I didn't even know he existed an hour before it started. And shit that was in October? Time flies.

You're quoting a lecture held two months ago?

And you expect us to believe that you got it right?

Maybe he took notes.

[Jordanistan]

That was what it was called? My professor just called it "Race in Post-Racial America" when he told us about it. Only reason I went was because we got to skip a day class for attending, I didn't even know he existed an hour before it started. And shit that was in October? Time flies.

Seriously...dude...you are like those kids in high school that see a movie for extra credit...

I'm surprised you even remember what the lecture was about...

Why did you wait almost three months to start this topic...may I ask?

It was a topic for a final paper and I preferred it to the other topics, and it brought it back in my mind and I thought about sharing it. And yes, I took notes.

[MERIZoC]

You're quoting a lecture held two months ago?

And you expect us to believe that you got it right?

Maybe he took notes.

Evidently he didn't write down the title or date.