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Postby Harpers Ferry » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:36 pm

Well I'd stop the Titanic from sinking so that they wouldn't make the movie and that song and.....wait I already made this reference today.

Honestly, I wouldn't change anything because who the hell knows what I would change unintentionally as a result from what I actually intended to change.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:36 pm

Anarkhist Kyrylashka wrote:Give the Makhnovists better weaponry to not fall to the RSFSR in the Ukrainian Revolution.

Actually, they fell to the Ukr. SSR.
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:38 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:Yes because people never caught nor died from diseases before hand.

And let's not forget those (including my mother) who would die because the Caesarian Section would never be created.

I know the feels. Emergency C-Section for my Mum as my umbilical cord had wrapped around me neck.

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Postby Benuty » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:39 pm

Donut section wrote:I would change christianity from becoming the roman state religion. Have the empire accept all religions and punish perpetrators of religious violence.

That would require the avoidance of the crisis of the Third Century, and the Tetrarch's. Unless you feel like limiting Constantine's latest achievement to being the Edict of Milan.
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Postby Anarkhist Kyrylashka » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:41 pm

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Anarkhist Kyrylashka wrote:Give the Makhnovists better weaponry to not fall to the RSFSR in the Ukrainian Revolution.

Actually, they fell to the Ukr. SSR.

Huh. I probably meant to say Bolsheviks.
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Postby Donut section » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:41 pm

Benuty wrote:
Donut section wrote:I would change christianity from becoming the roman state religion. Have the empire accept all religions and punish perpetrators of religious violence.

That would require the avoidance of the crisis of the Third Century, and the Tetrarch's. Unless you feel like limiting Constantine's latest achievement to being the Edict of Milan.


I'm not that well educated to know what they are.

Main aim is to stop religion and politics from corrupting each other.

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Postby Zathganastan » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:45 pm

Donut section wrote:
Benuty wrote:That would require the avoidance of the crisis of the Third Century, and the Tetrarch's. Unless you feel like limiting Constantine's latest achievement to being the Edict of Milan.


I'm not that well educated to know what they are.

Main aim is to stop religion and politics from corrupting each other.


That's really not a possible outcome one could accomplish as anything that provides a path to power tends to open itself up to corruption.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:45 pm

Donut section wrote:
Benuty wrote:That would require the avoidance of the crisis of the Third Century, and the Tetrarch's. Unless you feel like limiting Constantine's latest achievement to being the Edict of Milan.


I'm not that well educated to know what they are.

Main aim is to stop religion and politics from corrupting each other.

Thats a rather long goal...considering the Imperial Cult was doing just that.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:45 pm

Napkiraly wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:And let's not forget those (including my mother) who would die because the Caesarian Section would never be created.

I know the feels. Emergency C-Section for my Mum as my umbilical cord had wrapped around me neck.

Yeah, same thing happened to my brother.
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Postby Donut section » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:51 pm

Benuty wrote:
Donut section wrote:
I'm not that well educated to know what they are.

Main aim is to stop religion and politics from corrupting each other.

Thats a rather long goal...considering the Imperial Cult was doing just that.


Seems like the best time to start for that goal. But then again I'm not that well informed.

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Postby Fanosolia » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:57 pm

see how texas would do as a rival to America after it became independent from mexico for a while
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Postby TotallyNotEvilLand » Tue Dec 09, 2014 7:58 pm

Byzantium never fell and spread into India, Japan conquered vast swaths of Eastern Asia, Russia owned most of China, America got discovered by muslims and was known as Mazula, Canada was colonized by the vikings, and Ireland and Scotland were merged into one country.

... Sounds oddly familiar to my paradox campaign.
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Postby Benuty » Tue Dec 09, 2014 8:16 pm

Fanosolia wrote:see how texas would do as a rival to America after it became independent from mexico for a while

Things went so well they practically begged to join the US to prevent a revolt by the Mexicans, and enslaved Africans living there in merely 10 years.
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Postby Al Nahar » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:04 pm

The Unification of all Arab states under one secular Arab regime.
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Postby Zathganastan » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:06 pm

Al Nahar wrote:The Unification of all Arab states under one secular Arab regime.


So basically the Ottoman empire then?
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Postby Benuty » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:07 pm

Zathganastan wrote:
Al Nahar wrote:The Unification of all Arab states under one secular Arab regime.


So basically the Ottoman empire then?

Not really.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:08 pm

Zathganastan wrote:
Al Nahar wrote:The Unification of all Arab states under one secular Arab regime.


So basically the Ottoman empire then?

The Ottoman Empire wasn't secular. And it was ruled by Turks.
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Postby Zathganastan » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:19 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Zathganastan wrote:
So basically the Ottoman empire then?

The Ottoman Empire wasn't secular. And it was ruled by Turks.


I meant that more as a comparison rather then it being a perfect example.
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Postby Mesrane » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:35 pm

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Mesrane wrote:Tough. But I think I might stop Scotland from forming a union with England in 1707.


I'd stop the release of Braveheart and this whole Scottish Independence would never exist.

William Wallace, not Braveheart.

It's certainly a very stupid movement in its current form.
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Postby Second Blazing » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:35 pm

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I'd stop the release of Braveheart and this whole Scottish Independence would never exist.

William Wallace, not Braveheart.

It's certainly a very stupid movement in its current form.


I was talking about the movie.
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Postby Al Nahar » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:36 pm

Zathganastan wrote:
Al Nahar wrote:The Unification of all Arab states under one secular Arab regime.


So basically the Ottoman empire then?


Not exactly, The ottoman empire retained religious elements even up until 1919 even though it changed drastically since its inception. Plus its Turkish, which isn't Arab. I was talking about a Unified Arab state from Morocco to Iraq and from Syria to Yemen all under a secular government. But yea its a similar comparison in a way. Minus Asia minor
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Postby Mesrane » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:38 pm

Second Blazing wrote:
Mesrane wrote:William Wallace, not Braveheart.

It's certainly a very stupid movement in its current form.


I was talking about the movie.

Oh, lol.

I'm pretty sure the independence movement would still be around with or without Braveheart (which may I add is full of historical inaccuracies).
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Postby Napkiraly » Tue Dec 09, 2014 9:48 pm

Donut section wrote:
Benuty wrote:That would require the avoidance of the crisis of the Third Century, and the Tetrarch's. Unless you feel like limiting Constantine's latest achievement to being the Edict of Milan.


I'm not that well educated to know what they are.

Main aim is to stop religion and politics from corrupting each other.

That...happened before Rome turned to Christianity as well. Happened in many places before Rome entered the scene.

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Postby Estva » Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:17 pm

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Napkiraly wrote:Mhm, I care. Considering I'd have died without modern medical practices before I even was out of the womb. And I care considering we no longer have such shitty things like smallpox about. And I like how we are now able to learn about the universe and our world in depth.

Smallpox and other infectious diseases were only a problem after humans adopted agriculture.

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Postby -Shie- » Tue Dec 09, 2014 10:26 pm

I would stop the first human birth.
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