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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:39 pm

Benuty wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Happy to be of service.

That still leaves the fallacious appeal to nature issue.

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Happy to be of service.

Primitivism is so stupid though, for all the reasons listed previously by Benuty, and because it was actually statistically much more violent.

I'd be happy to argue this somewhere else, but we shouldn't threadjack. What I'll leave it at is this. Though I'm a primitivist/indigenist, I am primarily an anarchist. I have no wish to force anyone into a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, only to promote it and the rights of its practitioners.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:42 pm

Merizoc wrote:
Benuty wrote:That still leaves the fallacious appeal to nature issue.

United Marxist Nations wrote:Primitivism is so stupid though, for all the reasons listed previously by Benuty, and because it was actually statistically much more violent.

I'd be happy to argue this somewhere else, but we shouldn't threadjack. What I'll leave it at is this. Though I'm a primitivist/indigenist, I am primarily an anarchist. I have no wish to force anyone into a hunter-gatherer lifestyle, only to promote it and the rights of its practitioners.

If you would like to, one of us could make a thread for it. Would you prefer I do it, or you?

EDIT: I'm making the thread.
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Postby East Cambridgeshire » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:42 pm

The English heptarchy would never have joined together.

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Postby The United Colonies of Earth » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:46 pm

I'd stop Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. from being assassinated.
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Postby Ethel mermania » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:51 pm

Dad would have been riCher than Warren buffet.

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Postby The United Territories of Providence » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:10 pm

I would have let the Florida recount continue until we got the full results. Even if Bush still won...at least we'd finally know for sure.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:19 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Jetan wrote:Protestantismin is slightly less bad than catholicism (especially pre-reformation catholicism) and even Lenin (not to mention the provisional government) was better than Nicky old boy. And this comes from someone who is very much anti both communism and USSR.

That actually means a lot, coming from you. But, yeah, Tsar Nicky was about one of the worst leaders you could get, when he wasn't engaged in killing large numbers of his own populace, he was off on wars of expansion (which he usually lost).

EDIT: Plus, Russia would surely have lost WWII without industrialization.

Nicholas II was nowhere near as bad as the Communist leaders.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:21 pm

Murkwood wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:That actually means a lot, coming from you. But, yeah, Tsar Nicky was about one of the worst leaders you could get, when he wasn't engaged in killing large numbers of his own populace, he was off on wars of expansion (which he usually lost).

EDIT: Plus, Russia would surely have lost WWII without industrialization.

Nicholas II was nowhere near as bad as the Communist leaders.

Actually, since he is responsible for WWI, he kind of is.

And, you didn't respond to the other point.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:23 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Murkwood wrote:Nicholas II was nowhere near as bad as the Communist leaders.

Actually, since he is responsible for WWI, he kind of is.

And, you didn't respond to the other point.

He wasn't responsible for WWI. All of Europe was.

As to your other point, who said the Tsar wouldn't industrialize? He was already starting reforms.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:28 pm

Lydenburg wrote:
The Cobalt Sky wrote:Maybe stop Patrice Lumumba from being assassinated...


DRC becomes the new Angola.

Really? I don't find any obvious fault with that, but could you explain it to me?
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:31 pm

I would have killed Osman 1, the founder of the Ottoman Empire, at sleep.

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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:31 pm

I'd make it so that the politburo never elected Gorbachev to lead the USSR.

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Postby The Orson Empire » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:34 pm

Toronina wrote:
-Shie- wrote:I would stop the first human birth.

So cause a paradox?

Indeed, it would cause a paradox. By stopping the first human birth, that means he would have never existed his own self, and thus couldn't have gone back in time to stop the first human birth....

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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:34 pm

Maurepas wrote:I'd bring back Pitch Black Mountain Dew.

Finally... Something worth doing.
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:37 pm

Benuty wrote:
Servica wrote:I would introduce science and technology to the egalitarian hunter-gatherers of the Mesolithic, so neither religion nor social stratification finds a place in the world. :geek:

So therefore becoming a god.

#Paradoxical logic.

It would be kinda funny at first, though, wouldn't it?
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Postby Utceforp » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:39 pm

I would bring highly advanced technology, knowledge and civilization to the first anatomically modern humans, jump-starting humanity's progress.
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Postby Pimps Inc » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:41 pm

Prevent Adam and Eve from their sin?
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Postby Kalifati Arab shqiptar » Wed Dec 10, 2014 6:54 pm

Pimps Inc wrote:Prevent Adam and Eve from their sin?

Hey, no fairy tales characters allowed.

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Postby Ancient Magmia » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:14 pm

The United Colonies of Earth wrote:I'd stop Malcolm X and Martin Luther King Jr. from being assassinated.

^This.
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Postby Estado Nacional » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:15 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:I'd make it so that the politburo never elected Gorbachev to lead the USSR.

If the Cold War never ended we could be at Mars right now, humans need an adversary to reach their fullest potential.


Or maybe back at stone age levels. Also, Gorbachev's election wasn't what caused the end of the USSR.
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Postby Fjora » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:19 pm

I'd slaughter all the people who came to the Americas, thereby ensuring that nobody in America exists and native americans weren't tortured and enslaved. Bison weren't hunted to the brink of extinction. All its species are flourishing. Yes, I know this means I won't exist. I don't really care for humans anyway.

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Postby Alcase » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:32 pm

Stop the Valois' and Bourbons' frivolous spending on unnecessities and more towards a capable naval force that would rival the Royal Navy.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:34 pm

Fjora wrote:I'd slaughter all the people who came to the Americas, thereby ensuring that nobody in America exists and native americans weren't tortured and enslaved. Bison weren't hunted to the brink of extinction. All its species are flourishing. Yes, I know this means I won't exist. I don't really care for humans anyway.

One does not simply attain immortality to wait, and slaughter Eurasian colonialists.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:54 pm

Nothing. No point in changing the past when we can look forward to improving the future.
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Postby Union Of Canadorian Socialists Republic » Wed Dec 10, 2014 7:56 pm

Fjora wrote:I'd slaughter all the people who came to the Americas, thereby ensuring that nobody in America exists and native americans weren't tortured and enslaved. Bison weren't hunted to the brink of extinction. All its species are flourishing. Yes, I know this means I won't exist. I don't really care for humans anyway.

"Let's slaughter people to prevent them from slaughtering other people."

What? :blink:
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