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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:36 pm

Servica wrote:I would introduce science and technology to the egalitarian hunter-gatherers of the Mesolithic, so neither religion nor social stratification finds a place in the world. :geek:

So therefore becoming a god.

#Paradoxical logic.
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Postby Free Detroit » Wed Dec 10, 2014 3:51 pm

Henry A. Wallace as VP in Roosevelt's last term. A subtle change that could have had massively positive repercussions for the country, and the world.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:31 pm

Make Soviet Union lose Continuation War in a way that doesn't involve Germany winning overall WWII and doesn't allow USSR to attack Finland again after the fact.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:40 pm

I'd have stopped the Protestant Reformation.

After that, I would have stopped the overthrow of the Tsar.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:44 pm

Murkwood wrote:I'd have stopped the Protestant Reformation.

After that, I would have stopped the overthrow of the Tsar.

Protestantismin is slightly less bad than catholicism (especially pre-reformation catholicism) and even Lenin (not to mention the provisional government) was better than Nicky old boy. And this comes from someone who is very much anti both communism and USSR.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Dec 10, 2014 4:58 pm

Jetan wrote:
Murkwood wrote:I'd have stopped the Protestant Reformation.

After that, I would have stopped the overthrow of the Tsar.

Protestantismin is slightly less bad than catholicism (especially pre-reformation catholicism) and even Lenin (not to mention the provisional government) was better than Nicky old boy. And this comes from someone who is very much anti both communism and USSR.

The fall of the Tsar led to every single one of the more than 100 million deaths due to Communism.
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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:01 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Jetan wrote:Protestantismin is slightly less bad than catholicism (especially pre-reformation catholicism) and even Lenin (not to mention the provisional government) was better than Nicky old boy. And this comes from someone who is very much anti both communism and USSR.

The fall of the Tsar led to every single one of the more than 100 million deaths due to Communism.

How cute, and quite wrong.
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:02 pm

Benuty wrote:
Murkwood wrote:The fall of the Tsar led to every single one of the more than 100 million deaths due to Communism.

How cute, and quite wrong.

How so? If the USSR never existed, Communism would probably have never gotten so large.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:03 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Benuty wrote:How cute, and quite wrong.

How so? If the USSR never existed, Communism would probably have never gotten so large.

Are you familiar with the pre-USSR history of Communism?
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Postby Murkwood » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:03 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:
Murkwood wrote:How so? If the USSR never existed, Communism would probably have never gotten so large.

Are you familiar with the pre-USSR history of Communism?

It was never on such a large level before the USSR.
Degenerate Heart of HetRio wrote:Murkwood, I'm surprised you're not an anti-Semite and don't mind most LGBT rights because boy, aren't you a constellation of the worst opinions to have about everything? o_o

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:04 pm

Jetan wrote:Make Soviet Union lose Continuation War in a way that doesn't involve Germany winning overall WWII and doesn't allow USSR to attack Finland again after the fact.

So, no way?
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Postby Conserative Morality » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:05 pm

Murkwood wrote:It was never on such a large level before the USSR.

No, it restricted itself to being a recurring undercurrent and prominent political force in European countries, particularly repressive ones.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:05 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:Are you familiar with the pre-USSR history of Communism?

It was never on such a large level before the USSR.

Well, yeah, Russia is kind of a big deal. Doesn't mean it didn't have other stuff going on. The idea of Communism caught on in China several years before the Russian Revolution, and there was a big one in Germany as well.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:07 pm

Jetan wrote:
Murkwood wrote:I'd have stopped the Protestant Reformation.

After that, I would have stopped the overthrow of the Tsar.

Protestantismin is slightly less bad than catholicism (especially pre-reformation catholicism) and even Lenin (not to mention the provisional government) was better than Nicky old boy. And this comes from someone who is very much anti both communism and USSR.

That actually means a lot, coming from you. But, yeah, Tsar Nicky was about one of the worst leaders you could get, when he wasn't engaged in killing large numbers of his own populace, he was off on wars of expansion (which he usually lost).

EDIT: Plus, Russia would surely have lost WWII without industrialization.
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Postby Islamic State of UKIP » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:15 pm

I'd have taken out the voter turnout clause in the first referendum on a Scottish Assembly so that it would have passed and cushioned Scotland from Thatcher's genocidal policies

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Postby Jetan » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:21 pm

Murkwood wrote:
Jetan wrote:Protestantismin is slightly less bad than catholicism (especially pre-reformation catholicism) and even Lenin (not to mention the provisional government) was better than Nicky old boy. And this comes from someone who is very much anti both communism and USSR.

The fall of the Tsar led to every single one of the more than 100 million deaths due to Communism.

Well, first off... That's not correct. Secondly, if the Tsar never got deposed my nation might still be oppressed by Russia. So...
And USSR certainly wasn't the only communist/socialist nation to butcher people by the millions.

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Jetan wrote:Make Soviet Union lose Continuation War in a way that doesn't involve Germany winning overall WWII and doesn't allow USSR to attack Finland again after the fact.

So, no way?

Hey, if I'm by some miracle able to 1) travel in time and 2) just go and change anything to my liking, then I'm sure the Alien Space Bats that made that possible in the first place will find a way.

United Marxist Nations wrote:That actually means a lot, coming from you.

Indeed.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:23 pm

I'm picturing you giving Stalin ecstasy, and him essentially doing this to the Finnish at negotiations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHXi8h8H2VA
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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:27 pm

I'd stop people from romanticizing the myth of primitivism as feasible, and desirable.

Because having some person cut open my scalp, and then cut a hole in my skill in order to mutilate my brain sounds like so much fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VDmjtK4hNc

Fuck that shit.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:28 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:I'm picturing you giving Stalin ecstasy, and him essentially doing this to the Finnish at negotiations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHXi8h8H2VA

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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:28 pm

Benuty wrote:I'd stop people from romanticizing the myth of primitivism as feasible, and desirable.

Because having some person cut open my scalp, and then cut a hole in my skill in order to mutilate my brain sounds like so much fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VDmjtK4hNc

Fuck that shit.

I know that feel, bro. Fucking hate those people.
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Postby MERIZoC » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:32 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Benuty wrote:I'd stop people from romanticizing the myth of primitivism as feasible, and desirable.

Because having some person cut open my scalp, and then cut a hole in my skill in order to mutilate my brain sounds like so much fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VDmjtK4hNc

Fuck that shit.

I know that feel, bro. Fucking hate those people.

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Postby Benuty » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:34 pm

Merizoc wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I know that feel, bro. Fucking hate those people.

Happy to be of service.

That still leaves the fallacious appeal to nature issue.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:34 pm

Merizoc wrote:
United Marxist Nations wrote:I know that feel, bro. Fucking hate those people.

Happy to be of service.

Primitivism is so stupid though, for all the reasons listed previously by Benuty, and because it was actually statistically much more violent.
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Postby Jetan » Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:36 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:
Merizoc wrote:Happy to be of service.

Primitivism is so stupid though, for all the reasons listed previously by Benuty, and because it was actually statistically much more violent.

And because the bozos that usually advocate it would not survive a day in their ideal world.
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