Pastor tells gay man to "kill himself"

[MERIZoC]

This is way too far. That pastor needs to be disciplined by the church and fired. a prison.

ftfy

[Firsthome]

This is way too far. That pastor needs to be disciplined by the church and fired. a prison.

ftfy

Title Should Be Changed to Pastor should "Kill Himself"

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wrong bloody sunday

[-The Unified Earth Governments-]

Ok, this pastor gives us christians a bad rep. We christians don't like gay's, but we can handle them. Telling some one gay to go kill them self's, or anybody for that matter is wrong. This pastor is bad example of christians.

You don't speak for Christianity anymore than the dipshit pastor....

[Ifreann]

ftfy

Title Should Be Changed to Pastor should "Kill Himself"

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wrong bloody sunday

No it shouldn't.

[Timsvill]

Yes you can.

I realize we can. However, Duloc's words rather heavily implied that we shouldn't be able to.

[...]We christians don't like gays[...]

Stop lying. Not all of us are anti-LGBT, and a lot of us (like myself), ARE LGBT.

Oh. Sorry.

[Idzequitch]

Ok, this pastor gives us christians a bad rep. We christians don't like gay's, but we can handle them. Telling some one gay to go kill them self's, or anybody for that matter is wrong. This pastor is bad example of christians.

Don't try to pin your dislike of homosexuals on all other Christians please. True Christians love gay people. Some approve of their sexuality and some don't that's true, but Christians are supposed to love other people. Sexuality doesn't come into play here. "Love your neighbor as yourself." Homosexuals are just as much your neighbors as heterosexuals.

*Sigh* I hate when Christians don't even understand their own belief system.

[Avenio]

Don't try to pin your dislike of homosexuals on all other Christians please. True Christians love gay people.

No True Christian, eh?

[Have Fun With It]

Look, the Bible is not light on homosexuality (1 Corinthians 6:9), but it's also not light on casting judgement (Romans 14:1-4), so both are in the wrong here.

[Idzequitch]

Don't try to pin your dislike of homosexuals on all other Christians please. True Christians love gay people.

No True Christian, eh?

They're out there. But that criterion does eliminate a good many of them from the running.

[Avenio]

No True Christian, eh?

They're out there. But that criterion does eliminate a good many of them from the running.

[Grenartia]

Look, the Bible is not light on homosexuality (1 Corinthians 6:9)

Mistranslated and misinterpreted. Doesn't actually apply to homosexuality as we know it, but rather temple prostitution.

[Idzequitch]

They're out there. But that criterion does eliminate a good many of them from the running.

Ok I understand your point now, though it's not at all relevant. You edited out my reasoning for why Christians must necessarily love gays, namely, it's in the Bible, which is authoritative on Christian beliefs.

[Firsthome]

Ok I understand your point now, though it's not at all relevant. You edited out my reasoning for why Christians must necessarily love gays, namely, it's in the Bible, which is authoritative on Christian beliefs.

unless you're a Lutheran.

Lutherans Can Translate it however they please

(Thank God we Can, otherwise i'd Be like my Baptist Ex-Friends, not taking Evolution and Global Warming as a fact)

[Avenio]

Ok I understand your point now, though it's not at all relevant. You edited out my reasoning for why Christians must necessarily love gays, namely, it's in the Bible, which is authoritative on Christian beliefs.

The Bible in most peoples' translations also explicitly says that homosexuality is an abomination. So does around a thousand years of Christian tradition and teaching. Following that very old set of beliefs doesn't make them any less of a Christian, and pretending that it does is a frankly cheap and flimsy way to weasel out of the very real attitudes Christians have towards LGTB people. Do you think it would have given any comfort to the LGTB people killed by Christians that were motivated by their faith that they, according to you, weren't 'real' Christians?

[The Black Forrest]

Stupid is; stupid does.

The pastor and his place should be shunned.

[Idzequitch]

Ok I understand your point now, though it's not at all relevant. You edited out my reasoning for why Christians must necessarily love gays, namely, it's in the Bible, which is authoritative on Christian beliefs.

The Bible in most peoples' translations also explicitly says that homosexuality is an abomination. So does around a thousand years of Christian tradition and teaching. Following that very old set of beliefs doesn't make them any less of a Christian, and pretending that it does is a frankly cheap and flimsy way to weasel out of the very real attitudes Christians have towards LGTB people. Do you think it would have given any comfort to the LGTB people killed by Christians that were motivated by their faith that they, according to you, weren't 'real' Christians?

I'm not here to argue about who is and is not a Christian, or whether one ideological difference is enough to make someone a non-Christian. In Christianity's purest form, hating people, any people, is not compatible with Christian beliefs. I understand that many Christians, both past and present have been very hateful people. It's not my wish to say whether or not those people are actually Christians. My point is that hating people is a decidedly un-Christian trait, a fact that many Christians conveniently ignore.

[MERIZoC]

Don't try to pin your dislike of homosexuals on all other Christians please. True Christians love gay people.

No True Christian, eh?

Since telling people to kill themselves violates many a key christian ideal, I wouldn't call that statement a fallacy.

[Avenio]

I'm not here to argue about who is and is not a Christian, or whether one ideological difference is enough to make someone a non-Christian.

And yet if I were to scroll up a bit, I'd find a quote of you explicitly saying that 'no true Christian' would hate LGTB people.

In Christianity's purest form, hating people, any people, is not compatible with Christian beliefs. I understand that many Christians, both past and present have been very hateful people. It's not my wish to say whether or not those people are actually Christians. My point is that hating people is a decidedly un-Christian trait, a fact that many Christians conveniently ignore.

That is your opinion - nothing more.

No True Christian, eh?

Since telling people to kill themselves violates many a key christian ideal, I wouldn't call that statement a fallacy.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

According to that pastor's translation of the Bible, it's not a contradiction at all.

[Firsthome]

I'm not here to argue about who is and is not a Christian, or whether one ideological difference is enough to make someone a non-Christian.

And yet if I were to scroll up a bit, I'd find a quote of you explicitly saying that 'no true Christian' would hate LGTB people.

In Christianity's purest form, hating people, any people, is not compatible with Christian beliefs. I understand that many Christians, both past and present have been very hateful people. It's not my wish to say whether or not those people are actually Christians. My point is that hating people is a decidedly un-Christian trait, a fact that many Christians conveniently ignore.

That is your opinion - nothing more.

Since telling people to kill themselves violates many a key christian ideal, I wouldn't call that statement a fallacy.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

According to that pastor's translation of the Bible, it's not a contradiction at all.

Men can't lay with men as with a women,

Men wih man=buttsecks man with women = "normal" sex.

Unless the man is a hermaphrodite, that rule isn't broken.

[MERIZoC]

I'm not here to argue about who is and is not a Christian, or whether one ideological difference is enough to make someone a non-Christian.

And yet if I were to scroll up a bit, I'd find a quote of you explicitly saying that 'no true Christian' would hate LGTB people.

In Christianity's purest form, hating people, any people, is not compatible with Christian beliefs. I understand that many Christians, both past and present have been very hateful people. It's not my wish to say whether or not those people are actually Christians. My point is that hating people is a decidedly un-Christian trait, a fact that many Christians conveniently ignore.

That is your opinion - nothing more.

Since telling people to kill themselves violates many a key christian ideal, I wouldn't call that statement a fallacy.

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

According to that pastor's translation of the Bible, it's not a contradiction at all.

And yet all the love your neighbor stuff, and don't commit suicide stuff doesn't matter?

[Avenio]

And yet all the love your neighbor stuff, and don't commit suicide stuff doesn't matter?

Evidently not. Those are commandments directly from God, after all.

[Idzequitch]

I'm not here to argue about who is and is not a Christian, or whether one ideological difference is enough to make someone a non-Christian.

And yet if I were to scroll up a bit, I'd find a quote of you explicitly saying that 'no true Christian' would hate LGTB people.

Um, that's not what I said. I said that a true Christian would love gay people, as per the whole "Love your neighbor as yourself" thing. Now perhaps I should have phrased that differently. It would be more accurate to say, in order to follow Christian principles, Christians should love gay people. It's only semantics, but I'll indulge you.

In Christianity's purest form, hating people, any people, is not compatible with Christian beliefs. I understand that many Christians, both past and present have been very hateful people. It's not my wish to say whether or not those people are actually Christians. My point is that hating people is a decidedly un-Christian trait, a fact that many Christians conveniently ignore.

That is your opinion - nothing more.

Again, love your neighbor as yourself. Jesus said that everyone is your neighbor (My paraphrase). Is it possible to hate and love someone at the same time? If not, then hating any person on any grounds is against biblical principles. If so, how?

[Jamzmania]

And yet all the love your neighbor stuff, and don't commit suicide stuff doesn't matter?

Evidently not. Those are commandments directly from God, after all.

Jesus is God, too, you know.

[Dyakovo]

You mean morality can be motivated by something other than a dislike of firey pits?

*sigh* You know, Christianity is much more than fear of Hell. You do understand that.......right?

Of course... Christianity uses the carrot and the stick...

[The Cobalt Sky]

The second I clicked on this, I knew it would be a Protestant. Catholics and our Orthodox brothers don't run their mouths like this.

Anyways, of course this is bad.

That's a bit of a unfair generalization against Protestants.

Anyways, this Pastor is obviously a utter asshole, and a hypocrite who goes against the very ideal of "Love Thy Neighbor."

I agree. I still wonder why the pastor thought it would be ok.