The Pacific Ocean wrote:This is way too far. That pastor needs to be disciplined bythe church and fired.a prison.
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by Firsthome » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:11 am
Laerod wrote:That's like pointing out a thread about kittens contains posts about baby cats.
by -The Unified Earth Governments- » Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:24 am
Timsvill wrote:Ok, this pastor gives us christians a bad rep. We christians don't like gay's, but we can handle them. Telling some one gay to go kill them self's, or anybody for that matter is wrong. This pastor is bad example of christians.
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by Idzequitch » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:24 am
Timsvill wrote:Ok, this pastor gives us christians a bad rep. We christians don't like gay's, but we can handle them. Telling some one gay to go kill them self's, or anybody for that matter is wrong. This pastor is bad example of christians.
by Have Fun With It » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:31 am
by Idzequitch » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:33 am
by Grenartia » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:42 am
Have fun with it wrote:Look, the Bible is not light on homosexuality (1 Corinthians 6:9)
by Idzequitch » Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:42 am
by Firsthome » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:21 am
Laerod wrote:That's like pointing out a thread about kittens contains posts about baby cats.
by Avenio » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:28 am
Idzequitch wrote:Ok I understand your point now, though it's not at all relevant. You edited out my reasoning for why Christians must necessarily love gays, namely, it's in the Bible, which is authoritative on Christian beliefs.
by The Black Forrest » Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:32 am
by Idzequitch » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:01 pm
Avenio wrote:Idzequitch wrote:Ok I understand your point now, though it's not at all relevant. You edited out my reasoning for why Christians must necessarily love gays, namely, it's in the Bible, which is authoritative on Christian beliefs.
The Bible in most peoples' translations also explicitly says that homosexuality is an abomination. So does around a thousand years of Christian tradition and teaching. Following that very old set of beliefs doesn't make them any less of a Christian, and pretending that it does is a frankly cheap and flimsy way to weasel out of the very real attitudes Christians have towards LGTB people. Do you think it would have given any comfort to the LGTB people killed by Christians that were motivated by their faith that they, according to you, weren't 'real' Christians?
by Avenio » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:18 pm
Idzequitch wrote:I'm not here to argue about who is and is not a Christian, or whether one ideological difference is enough to make someone a non-Christian.
Idzequitch wrote:In Christianity's purest form, hating people, any people, is not compatible with Christian beliefs. I understand that many Christians, both past and present have been very hateful people. It's not my wish to say whether or not those people are actually Christians. My point is that hating people is a decidedly un-Christian trait, a fact that many Christians conveniently ignore.
by Firsthome » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:22 pm
Avenio wrote:Idzequitch wrote:I'm not here to argue about who is and is not a Christian, or whether one ideological difference is enough to make someone a non-Christian.
And yet if I were to scroll up a bit, I'd find a quote of you explicitly saying that 'no true Christian' would hate LGTB people.Idzequitch wrote:In Christianity's purest form, hating people, any people, is not compatible with Christian beliefs. I understand that many Christians, both past and present have been very hateful people. It's not my wish to say whether or not those people are actually Christians. My point is that hating people is a decidedly un-Christian trait, a fact that many Christians conveniently ignore.
That is your opinion - nothing more.Merizoc wrote:Since telling people to kill themselves violates many a key christian ideal, I wouldn't call that statement a fallacy.
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
According to that pastor's translation of the Bible, it's not a contradiction at all.
Laerod wrote:That's like pointing out a thread about kittens contains posts about baby cats.
by MERIZoC » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:24 pm
Avenio wrote:Idzequitch wrote:I'm not here to argue about who is and is not a Christian, or whether one ideological difference is enough to make someone a non-Christian.
And yet if I were to scroll up a bit, I'd find a quote of you explicitly saying that 'no true Christian' would hate LGTB people.Idzequitch wrote:In Christianity's purest form, hating people, any people, is not compatible with Christian beliefs. I understand that many Christians, both past and present have been very hateful people. It's not my wish to say whether or not those people are actually Christians. My point is that hating people is a decidedly un-Christian trait, a fact that many Christians conveniently ignore.
That is your opinion - nothing more.Merizoc wrote:Since telling people to kill themselves violates many a key christian ideal, I wouldn't call that statement a fallacy.
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."
According to that pastor's translation of the Bible, it's not a contradiction at all.
by Idzequitch » Wed Dec 10, 2014 12:50 pm
Avenio wrote:Idzequitch wrote:In Christianity's purest form, hating people, any people, is not compatible with Christian beliefs. I understand that many Christians, both past and present have been very hateful people. It's not my wish to say whether or not those people are actually Christians. My point is that hating people is a decidedly un-Christian trait, a fact that many Christians conveniently ignore.
That is your opinion - nothing more.
by Dyakovo » Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:00 pm
by The Cobalt Sky » Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:03 pm
Fortschritte wrote:Murkwood wrote:The second I clicked on this, I knew it would be a Protestant. Catholics and our Orthodox brothers don't run their mouths like this.
Anyways, of course this is bad.
That's a bit of a unfair generalization against Protestants.
Anyways, this Pastor is obviously a utter asshole, and a hypocrite who goes against the very ideal of "Love Thy Neighbor."
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