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Postby Alizeria » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:21 am

Yesterday, a New Zealand Pastor drew outrage after telling a gay man to kill himself. Today the plot thickened, after he told an openly gay reporter to also call himself and advocated for the government to kill gays.

An openly gay ONE News Reporter has been labelled "filthy" by the pastor of a Baptist church while he was trying to request an interview for a story.

Matt McLean phoned Pastor Logan Robertson today over comments the Westcity Bible Baptist Church member made in an email to a gay Christian man who has just published a book about his faith.

Jim Marjoram wrote an email to around 400 churches but received an email back from Pastor Robertson telling him, "we are not interested in your filthy lifestyle or book."

The email went on to say, "I pray that you will commit suicide, you filthy child molesting fag."

When Mr McLean rung the Pastor to try and hear his side of the story, he was also met with a highly offensive response.

Pastor Robertson told Mr McLean he would not give an interview to a "filthy faggot" and he hoped that he too would commit suicide.

However, he later granted one media interview, in which he stood by his comments.

"I think every single one of them should be put to death," says Pastor Robertson.

"Christians shouldn't be doing it, I'm not going to do it, it's the Government's job to be doing it."

The National Leader of Baptist Churches of New Zealand sent a statement this afternoon about the email to Mr Marjoram, saying the Westcity Bible Baptist Church is not part of the Baptist Union of churches and said, "I am appalled by the comments... we cannot and never would endorse his comments."

Mr Marjoram himself says he doesn't feel any anger or hate towards the Pastor but does have a message for him.

"The only thing I could say is what you're preaching isn't love.

"And if you call yourself a Christian... Jesus wouldn't go anywhere near that."


Source: http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/pastor- ... de-6196022

Obviously the worldwide discrimination faced by LGBT people is nothing the seasoned veterans and denizens of NSG haven't already discussed, but as a New Zealander I found myself shocked at this sort of rhetoric. While it may be expected in a country like Russia, or coming from some uneducated redneck in the backwoods of the United States, that sort of vitriol is incredibly unusual here.

So what is the solution? There are already calls for him to be fired by the church, although given that he has actually advocated for genocide I think that more serious penalties ought to apply. I'm no legal expert but off the top of my head New Zealand has laws against hate speech and against inciting to violence or threatening people with death - and I'm sure that a substantial enough case could be made that this particular individual is in breach of such laws.

If the police are keeping tabs on radical preachers in Mosques who may be advocating violence or extremist behaviour - and this is something I support - then the same sort of principle ought to apply to Christian extremism, given that this man very well may be inciting his followers to commit acts of violence for all we know.

What are your thoughts, New Zealanders and non-New Zealanders?
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Postby The Iranian hegemony » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:23 am

That dumb pat or is ruining new Zealand's name.

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Alizeria wrote:If the police are keeping tabs on radical preachers in Mosques who may be advocating violence or extremist behaviour - and this is something I support - then the same sort of principle ought to apply to Christian extremism, given that this man very well may be inciting his followers to commit acts of violence for all we know.

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Everyone knows white people aren't terrorists.

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Imperializt Russia wrote:
Alizeria wrote:If the police are keeping tabs on radical preachers in Mosques who may be advocating violence or extremist behaviour - and this is something I support - then the same sort of principle ought to apply to Christian extremism, given that this man very well may be inciting his followers to commit acts of violence for all we know.

What are your thoughts, New Zealanders and non-New Zealanders?

Everyone knows white people aren't terrorists.

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Haha. Despite the fact that ISIS have a spokesperson who is as white as snow and as Australian as they come. "Strewth mate, we're launching a holy war on ya!"

But yeah, it's a double standard.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:29 am

Is he in any way related to the pastor from Peter Jackson's "Braindead"?

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Postby Murkwood » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:29 am

The second I clicked on this, I knew it would be a Protestant. Catholics and our Orthodox brothers don't run their mouths like this.

Anyways, of course this is bad.
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Murkwood wrote:The second I clicked on this, I knew it would be a Protestant. Catholics and our Orthodox brothers don't run their mouths like this.

Anyways, of course this is bad.


That's a bit of a unfair generalization against Protestants.

Anyways, this Pastor is obviously a utter asshole, and a hypocrite who goes against the very ideal of "Love Thy Neighbor."
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Postby Risottia » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:32 am

A sorry excuse for a human being uses his role as religious leader to be a complete douchebag.
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Postby Lordieth » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:33 am

This is not an issue of religion. It's one man, standing behind religion to justify his disgusting bigotry. He should be excommunicated and thoroughly shunned and cast out.
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Postby Alizeria » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:33 am

Murkwood wrote:The second I clicked on this, I knew it would be a Protestant. Catholics and our Orthodox brothers don't run their mouths like this.

Anyways, of course this is bad.


They're less prone to it these days but I wouldn't recommend using an affiliation with a different denomination as an excuse to take the moral high ground. Aside from the historical fact that Catholics are directly responsible for the deaths of millions throughout the middle ages, and that the Orthodox church are the ones advocating for Russia's anti-gay laws, I would argue that the vast majority of Christians of all denominations are as disgusted by this as those of us in the secular world.
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Hittanryan wrote:What do you call a guy with his hand up a sheep's ass? An Alizerian mechanic.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:34 am

Alizeria wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Everyone knows white people aren't terrorists.

waitaminute...


Haha. Despite the fact that ISIS have a spokesperson who is as white as snow and as Australian as they come. "Strewth mate, we're launching a holy war on ya!"

But yeah, it's a double standard.

Oh God, please tell me this is true.

Oh God, it is.
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Risottia wrote:In other news, DHMO isn't dry at 300 K. Stay tuned.


Oh damn I should have done a thread about this.
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Postby Murkwood » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:35 am

:lol:
Fortschritte wrote:
Murkwood wrote:The second I clicked on this, I knew it would be a Protestant. Catholics and our Orthodox brothers don't run their mouths like this.

Anyways, of course this is bad.


That's a bit of a unfair generalization against Protestants.

Anyways, this Pastor is obviously a utter asshole, and a hypocrite who goes against the very ideal of "Love Thy Neighbor."

I was just joking around. But, yeah, he needs to re-read the Bible.
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Postby Pandeeria » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:35 am

That is disgusting.

Shame on the pastor.
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Imperializt Russia wrote:
Alizeria wrote:
Haha. Despite the fact that ISIS have a spokesperson who is as white as snow and as Australian as they come. "Strewth mate, we're launching a holy war on ya!"

But yeah, it's a double standard.

Oh God, please tell me this is true.


It's as true as she comes, mate.
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New Edom wrote:Did you hear about that Alizerian who said he’d eat some sheep’s balls on a bet? He won the bet, but damn did that sheep kick him.

Hittanryan wrote:What do you call a guy with his hand up a sheep's ass? An Alizerian mechanic.

Schottia wrote:While Belisaria is burning Schottia is watching football and Alizeria is teaching sheep to drive.

Shalum wrote:Alizeria, the one place where it's acceptable to be a lady by day, and a freak in the hay.

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Postby Fortschritte » Tue Dec 09, 2014 5:36 am

Murkwood wrote::lol:
Fortschritte wrote:
That's a bit of a unfair generalization against Protestants.

Anyways, this Pastor is obviously a utter asshole, and a hypocrite who goes against the very ideal of "Love Thy Neighbor."

I was just joking around. But, yeah, he needs to re-read the Bible.


Re-read? That implies that he's cracked open the Bible once in his life.
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Fortschritte wrote:
Murkwood wrote::lol:
I was just joking around. But, yeah, he needs to re-read the Bible.


Re-read? That implies that he's cracked open the Bible once in his life.

He probably knows (the parts he likes) of Leviticus by heart.
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Fortschritte wrote:
Murkwood wrote:The second I clicked on this, I knew it would be a Protestant. Catholics and our Orthodox brothers don't run their mouths like this.

Anyways, of course this is bad.


That's a bit of a unfair generalization against Protestants.

Anyways, this Pastor is obviously a utter asshole, and a hypocrite who goes against the very ideal of "Love Thy Neighbor."

The bible does tell you to kill homosexuals.
As well as adulterous women and disobedient children.
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I agree that gay marriage should be illegal, but shooting gays? In 'Merica, if ye said that, ye'd be arrested for hate speech.
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Murkwood wrote:The second I clicked on this, I knew it would be a Protestant. Catholics and our Orthodox brothers don't run their mouths like this.

Anyways, of course this is bad.


Ha! Ha! Ha! I will be happy if they don't. Belive me, I live in country with over 90% of catcholics - and Archibishops tell things like that all the time (Teletubies are gay, Winnie the Pooh is hermaphrodite, Bookshop is evil because invited metal band for promotion...).
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Imperializt Russia wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
That's a bit of a unfair generalization against Protestants.

Anyways, this Pastor is obviously a utter asshole, and a hypocrite who goes against the very ideal of "Love Thy Neighbor."

The bible does tell you to kill homosexuals.
As well as adulterous women and disobedient children.

Old or New? Because Old Testament law has no bearing today for Christians.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Murkwood wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:Re-read? That implies that he's cracked open the Bible once in his life.

He probably knows (the parts he likes) of Leviticus by heart.

And any part of the not always so Good Book that strengthens that specific bronze age rule developed by nomads. But does the man also eat strictly kosher?
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Alizeria wrote:
Murkwood wrote:The second I clicked on this, I knew it would be a Protestant. Catholics and our Orthodox brothers don't run their mouths like this.

Anyways, of course this is bad.


They're less prone to it these days but I wouldn't recommend using an affiliation with a different denomination as an excuse to take the moral high ground. Aside from the historical fact that Catholics are directly responsible for the deaths of millions throughout the middle ages, and that the Orthodox church are the ones advocating for Russia's anti-gay laws, I would argue that the vast majority of Christians of all denominations are as disgusted by this as those of us in the secular world.


Indeed. And the guy isn't so much a douchebag as a douchemountain. As an LGBT Christian, I honestly wouldn't mind if Jesus came back down here, went to this guy's (and other's like him) church, and utterly ransacked it like He did the temple with the moneychangers. That's the only way these people are going to change their minds, is if Christ Himself comes down and gives them the tonguelashing of a lifetime.
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