Abortion: Humane or not?

[Sanctissima]

Sure, why not.

It's not like the dead guy has any use for it.

Living organ donation refers to the transplant of an organ in vivo, not post-mortem.

Kidneys are not on demand post-mortem, but in-vivo.

Oh, well, uh, guess I misunderstood that one.

There's a bit of a difference with pregnancy though, mainly, one's temporary, whereas the other is quite permanent.

[Galloism]

Living!

Jesus. Compulsory organ donations from living people.

Okay, now you're going overboard.

It only makes sense based on what you said:

No, it's more that you are essentially using the same rationale.
Why is she obligated to the child?
Why can't she change her mind halfway through?
Because it will inconvinience someone else? So fucking what.
Let them get blue balls/be aborted. She's acting in accordance with her autonomy.

Well, the difference is that in one scenario, the rejected person just doesn't get to have full sexual intercourse. In the other scenario, the rejected person dies.

As I've said, the right to life should take precedence over bodily autonomy.

People die every year for lack of organ donations that can be gotten from living donors.

[Sanctissima]

You do, in fact, support compulsory living organ donation.

Because wombs.

So maybe if you could rent-a-kidney for 9 months.

I feel like this is going off-track.

[Peoples Democratic Socialist States]

I believe it is humane, because if the women doesn't have the means to provide for the child, or does but doesn't have the mental/emotional capabilities to be there for it, then the child will have suffered in life.

[Ostroeuropa]

Living organ donation refers to the transplant of an organ in vivo, not post-mortem.

Kidneys are not on demand post-mortem, but in-vivo.

Oh, well, uh, guess I misunderstood that one.

There's a bit of a difference with pregnancy though, mainly, one's temporary, whereas the other is quite permanent.

Pregnancy has permanent effects on the body.

[Mavorpen]

Living organ donation refers to the transplant of an organ in vivo, not post-mortem.

Kidneys are not on demand post-mortem, but in-vivo.

Oh, well, uh, guess I misunderstood that one.

There's a bit of a difference with pregnancy though, mainly, one's temporary, whereas the other is quite permanent.

Part of your liver grows back if removed.

Are mandatory live organ donation for livers permissible?

[Sanctissima]

Oh, well, uh, guess I misunderstood that one.

There's a bit of a difference with pregnancy though, mainly, one's temporary, whereas the other is quite permanent.

Pregnancy has permanent effects on the body.

Oh boo hoo, saggy breasts.

Get over it.

[Mavorpen]

Pregnancy has permanent effects on the body.

Oh boo hoo, saggy breasts.

Get over it.

Oh boo hoo, a piece of a liver missing.

Get over it.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Mom took medicine to not have contractions since by around 6 months because there was a serious risk of the womb ejecting me, so at the day D she didn't have enough dilatation. One doctor said one day before she wasn't ready for the childbirth, but in another hospital a day later the doctor said the C-section was in demand.

It still was associated with pain even in spite of the medicine that made the C-section a necessity in the first place.

Well that's a sucky one.

Part of the reason the "you don't wish you were aborted yourself!" strawmen seriously annoy me.

Like, were they there?

[Ostroeuropa]

Pregnancy has permanent effects on the body.

Oh boo hoo, saggy breats.

Get over it.

You... don't know much about childbirth, do you.
I'll go for the crass one and point out, torn vaginas.
"Get over it"?

[Galloism]

Living organ donation refers to the transplant of an organ in vivo, not post-mortem.

Kidneys are not on demand post-mortem, but in-vivo.

Oh, well, uh, guess I misunderstood that one.

There's a bit of a difference with pregnancy though, mainly, one's temporary, whereas the other is quite permanent.

There are many temporary and permanent after effects and bodily changes post pregnancy.

[Sanctissima]

Fine. Forget it. I can't have a serious argument with you people.

You win.

Have your damn abortions.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Pregnancy has permanent effects on the body.

Oh boo hoo, saggy breasts.

Get over it.

Wow, the sheer ignorance of this post.

[Canaore]

As someone who's had a terrible experience with abortion I can say I'm glad it's legal. I'm a man, but as far as I know, it's always a hard choice for women. In my view, abortion is amoral.

[Baiynistan]

Pre-quickening it's okay. Post-quickening it's hazy. Post-viability it'd be immoral if it wasn't due to some complication.

[Dyakovo]

Pregnancy has permanent effects on the body.

Oh boo hoo, saggy breasts.

Get over it.

That isn't the only permanent change to a woman's body.

[Mavorpen]

Fine. Forget it. I can't have a serious argument with you people.

You win.

Have your damn abortions.

As though we couldn't previously and that whether we could hinged upon you agreeing.

[Technomance]

An abortion is taking the cells out in such a way that the cells die, yes?
If the cells have developed to the point that the cells are viable then aborting it seems to be a waste.

Which would be after 22 weeks. Before that time the woman should know she's pregnant and be able to take the necessary steps to undergo an abortion and not be stalled until it's too late.

Actually, it wouldn't be a waste. I don't know to what extent, but embryos can be used for research purposed. Stem cell research actually relies on terminating embryos, but fewer people seem to whine about that, it seems..

Not necessarily. There are stem cells in the placenta, right?

[Dyakovo]

Fine. Forget it. I can't have a serious argument with you people.

Maybe if you had better arguments...

You win.

Yes. We know.

[Galloism]

Fine. Forget it. I can't have a serious argument with you people.

You win.

Have your damn abortions.

Presenting Evidence and educating you in regards to basic anatomy is lack of seriousness?

I guess if we aren't discussing nuclear launch codes its a party.

[Dyakovo]

Fine. Forget it. I can't have a serious argument with you people.

You win.

Have your damn abortions.

As though we couldn't previously and that whether we could hinged upon you agreeing.

Well, I couldn't have an abortion before...
Still can't for that matter...

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Oh boo hoo, saggy breasts.

Get over it.

Even if it was merely aesthetic, I know of people who have an extreme amount of flaccidity and stretch marks that actually look mutilated.

[Griphon]

I like the legislation in my country: if it's rape or the mother-to-be is in danger, the abortion is permitted. Otherwise, it's a crime.

[Dyakovo]

I like the legislation in my country: if it's rape or the mother-to-be is in danger, the abortion is permitted. Otherwise, it's a crime.

Which country would that be?

[Sanctissima]

Fine. Forget it. I can't have a serious argument with you people.

You win.

Have your damn abortions.

Presenting Evidence and educating you in regards to basic anatomy is lack of seriousness?

I guess if we aren't discussing nuclear launch codes its a party.

No, actually, quite to the contrary, all I've gotten has been anologies, the "a fetus isn't a human so who cares" argument and the "womens' rights are more important than a damn parasite" argument. Well, if that's all your pro-abortion stance relies on, fine, ignore logic.