Abortion: Humane or not?

[Lost heros]

How can a woman and a clump of replicating cells residing within her body without her consent have a relationship that is in any way comparable to that of a mother and a child?

It is not a clump of cells, it is a human organism completely unique from any other in the world.

Actually, it's a clump of replicating cells. And genetic uniqueness does not stop it from not being a person.

[Ostroeuropa]

You think childbirth is a pleasurable experience?

I think that consensual sex is, otherwise, why do it?

Anyone who has consensual sex realizes that pregnancy is a possibility, unless of course they've lived the entirety of their lives under a rock, sucking nutrition from dew water and the occasional passing earthworm.

Unprotected sex has consequences, if you really don't want to get pregnant, then simply don't have sex.

Sex = Patrol
Pregnancy = Shot

In the analogy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You think childbirth is a pleasurable experience?

Well...about 0.3% of births result in orgasms.

Wait, an orgasm while birthing?! What is this sorcery?

[Mavorpen]

You think childbirth is a pleasurable experience?

I think that consensual sex is, otherwise, why do it?

Anyone who has consensual sex realizes that pregnancy is a possibility, unless of course they've lived the entirety of their lives under a rock, sucking nutrition from dew water and the occasional passing earthworm.

Unprotected sex has consequences, if you really don't want to get pregnant, then simply don't have sex.

But we do. So we have abortion.

[Dyakovo]

You think childbirth is a pleasurable experience?

I think that consensual sex is, otherwise, why do it?

Sex isn't childbirth.

[Jamzmania]

It is not a clump of cells, it is a human organism completely unique from any other in the world.

They're really not.

It has its own unique DNA, development, and growth completely independent from the mother.

[Ostroeuropa]

You think childbirth is a pleasurable experience?

Well...about 0.3% of births result in orgasms.

I bet the kids come out and do the fonzy thing.

...
Fuck that was a bad one. I think i'm hitting a new low.

[Allentyr]

I think that consensual sex is, otherwise, why do it?

Anyone who has consensual sex realizes that pregnancy is a possibility, unless of course they've lived the entirety of their lives under a rock, sucking nutrition from dew water and the occasional passing earthworm.

Unprotected sex has consequences, if you really don't want to get pregnant, then simply don't have sex.

They consent to the possibility of being pregnant. They did not consent to BEING pregnant.

[Dyakovo]

They're really not.

It has its own unique DNA, development, and growth completely independent from the mother.

Not even remotely accurate. If that was true, than removing a foetus from the womb would not result in it dying.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

They're really not.

It has its own unique DNA, development, and growth completely independent from the mother.

No they don't have a growth completely independent of the mother or development independent of the mother.

Want to make it 3 for 3? They share half the mother's DNA and traits.

[Camelza]

Since when organisms should have rights for being organisms?

A human organism, aka a human.

You have misunderstood completely the meaning of human rights. Everything has to do with sapience and personhood, not being an ape.

[Mavorpen]

They're really not.

It has its own unique DNA, development, and growth completely independent from the mother.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

In all seriousness, as a biology major, this gave me cancer.

[Allentyr]

They're really not.

It has its own unique DNA, development, and growth completely independent from the mother.

It's not independent from the mother. A fetus is again, a parasite that RELIES on the mother, feeding off her.

[Dyakovo]

Well...about 0.3% of births result in orgasms.

I bet the kids come out and do the fonzy thing.

[Ostroeuropa]

I think that consensual sex is, otherwise, why do it?

Anyone who has consensual sex realizes that pregnancy is a possibility, unless of course they've lived the entirety of their lives under a rock, sucking nutrition from dew water and the occasional passing earthworm.

Unprotected sex has consequences, if you really don't want to get pregnant, then simply don't have sex.

They consent to the possibility of being pregnant. They did not consent to BEING pregnant.

And even if they did, consent may be revoked.
It's rapey to suggest it can't be. That's a pretty basic tenet of consent.

[Dyakovo]

It has its own unique DNA, development, and growth completely independent from the mother.

It's not independent from the mother. A fetus is again, a parasite parasitic organism that RELIES on the mother, feeding off her.

Ftfy

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It has its own unique DNA, development, and growth completely independent from the mother.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.

In all seriousness as a biology major this gave me cancer.

I mean, it's like he just saw a rock on the road and went "oh fuck it, YOLO motherfuckers!"

[Sanctissima]

I think that consensual sex is, otherwise, why do it?

Sex isn't childbirth.

Is masturbation not sufficient? If you really don't want to get pregnant, don't have kids, or better yet, get the guy to use a condom.

Otherwise, if one takes the risk, they do not get the right to end the life of the unborn child that is now inhabiting their womb.

[Sanctissima]

They consent to the possibility of being pregnant. They did not consent to BEING pregnant.

And even if they did, consent may be revoked.
It's rapey to suggest it can't be. That's a pretty basic tenet of consent.

I've already stated that I support abortion in cases of rape. Speaking of which, my arguments were quite a deal better before I got bogged down in semantics.

[Mavorpen]

Sex isn't childbirth.

Is masturbation not sufficient? If you really don't want to get pregnant, don't have kids, or better yet, get the guy to use a condom.

Otherwise, if one takes the risk, they do not get the right to end the life of the unborn child that is now inhabiting their womb.

Got it, so if I step out of my house to walk my dog, and I get hit by a car, I don't have a right to medical attention. After all, I took the risk.

[Ostroeuropa]

And even if they did, consent may be revoked.
It's rapey to suggest it can't be. That's a pretty basic tenet of consent.

I've already stated that I support abortion in cases of rape. Speaking of which, my arguments were quite a deal better before I got bogged down in semantics.

But you keep advancing this idea that consent is irrevocable, or that she has to accept the consequences of consenting at some point.
So what if they had sex.

Suppose she had sex and fully intended to be pregnant.
She can't change her mind and withdraw consent?

You realize how that sounds, right?
It sounds like a rapist. Maybe that should give you pause.

[Jamzmania]

It is not a clump of cells, it is a human organism completely unique from any other in the world.

Actually, it's a clump of replicating cells. And genetic uniqueness does not stop it from not being a person.

It is not. It is a human organism with complex designs for the future. A zygote acts immediately to initiate a program of development that will, if not interrupted, result in a complete life. Completely different from mere cellular life.

[Camelza]

Sex isn't childbirth.

Is masturbation not sufficient? If you really don't want to get pregnant, don't have kids, or better yet, get the guy to use a condom.

Otherwise, if one takes the risk, they do not get the right to end the life of the unborn child that is now inhabiting their womb.

"Unborn child" ha!
Biologically, a child (plural: children) is a human between the stages of birth and puberty. The legal definition of child generally refers to a minor, otherwise known as a person younger than the age of majority.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Sex isn't childbirth.

Is masturbation not sufficient? If you really don't want to get pregnant, don't have kids, or better yet, get the guy to use a condom.

Otherwise, if one takes the risk, they do not get the right to end the life of the unborn child that is now inhabiting their womb.

They do, if you think the mother's rights to her body is more important than the fetus' right to live.

Which is the inverse of your "babies have the right of life" argument. A potential life is not worth more than an actual life, in fact quite the contrary, an actual person's choices are more important to preserve in a just society than the life of an undeveloped, unborn being.

[Galloism]

Sex isn't childbirth.

Is masturbation not sufficient? If you really don't want to get pregnant, don't have kids, or better yet, get the guy to use a condom.

Otherwise, if one takes the risk, they do not get the right to end the life of the unborn child that is now inhabiting their womb.

Well, depending on who you ask, sex has between 8 and 17 seperate health benefits, most of which cannot be achieved via masturbation.

Sauce for you.