Abortion: Humane or not?

[Mavorpen]

http://www.kmph-kfre.com/story/26659890 ... -only-soda

Soda companies didn't release official statements condemning this. Clearly soda companies condone robbery over sodas.

[Stormwind-City]

http://www.kmph-kfre.com/story/26659890/store-owner-beaten-thieves-take-only-soda

Soda companies didn't release official statements condemning this. Clearly soda companies condone robbery over sodas.

What?

E: Oh, nvm.

[Luminesa]

I have no idea what you mean to accomplish by that first part. Abortion is indeed the systematic torture and murder of individuals in cold blood. And nobody has yet to give me a legal definition of 'personhood'. I'm talking legal documents, stating, "Okay, this here is a person, this here is not."

I am not depraved, and if I was I would be in the loony house. Now, I might have a ragingly-insane imagination, but that is only due to me watching too many cartoons and reading lots of books.

Um, here's my problem with the second part:
1.) There's a thread for homosexuality, if you want to talk about that. I don't mind.
2.) I don't discriminate against LGBT couples and people. I have relatives and friends who are gay, and I love them regardless. My problem is when a person says, "Well, I don't agree with gay marriage", and they get called "hateful, intolerant, bigot, etc." by society at large. Meanwhile, you have people in Oklahoma doing Satanic rituals, desecrating the Catholic Church's most precious teaching (Holy Eucharist), and nobody calls that "hateful, intolerant, bigoted, etc." I find this double-standard appalling.

I wouldn't say you're close. Problem is, calling the Church "hateful" is one of the most used arguments I have seen, when browsing the Internet. If you want to talk about the Church, send me a telegram and we can get down to it. Bottom line: the abortion industry is involved in a new sort of holocaust on unborn children. I'm pretty darn close. :/

1) https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=depravity+definition&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS558US558&q=depravity+definition&gs_l=hp...0l3j0i22i30l2.0.0.0.3526...........0.yLfALOArXUU The definition of depravity. In this case trying to equate a medical procedure used as the last line of defense against getting pregnant when undesired to a systematic program of mass torture and murder against born people who are capable of experiencing pain and suffering, and not understanding that its a terrible comparison from both a functional and emotional standpoint.

It has nothing to do with sanity. It has to do with what people such as yourself deem as 'permissible'.

2) Fetuses cannot feel pain and suffering. Seriously, we slapped you in the face over this before.

3) Didn't stop you from divulging your story with Cerebral Palsy, even though this thread is about abortion, not euthanasia (which I support, but hey, its the person's choice)

4) You may not discriminate against LGBT, its fundamentally irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is yes, mine is closer than your comparison between Abortion and the Holocaust because you are supporting an anachronistic system that continues to believe in women as little more than unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods. You can deny this all you like, but it is most assuredly exactly what you are doing.

1.) Pretty sure we got into that. Yep, sex is also about feeling good and making bonds with your husband/wife. It's not a bad thing.

2.) Gimme a second:

http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/ ... on-rights/
(This is what abortion activists say to a guy who wants to keep the baby.)

http://saynsumthn.wordpress.com/2010/10 ... -abortion/
(Here's just one story where a guy beats his girlfriend for not having an abortion. As you can plainly see, when this woman and her baby are traumatized, Planned Parenthood and pro-choice activists are clearly missing from the picture. If they really cared about women, they would have heard about this case and spoken up.)

3.) Okay, your point?

1. Slut shaming. If the woman wants to have sex before getting married, who are you to say whether that's good or bad? Also, if she wants to have sex, but does not feel like she's ready for motherhood, who are you to say tough luck?

2. Mav dealt with those.

3. That you keep tossing out appeals to emotion as if you expect to convince us of anything. Really, it just makes your own position look worse and worse.

1.) "A last line of defense against getting pregnant"...wait...what? Did I miss something? Isn't the woman pregnant when she gets the abortion? Did I miss something?
A fetus is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. It's why all that legislation went through about it.
And I would call smashing a fetus's skull and sucking its brain out with a small vacuum pretty depraved...and then throwing babies' bodies in dumpsters behind abortion clinics also isn't a very pretty, humane idea, to say the least...

2.) "Unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods"...
Man, I keep hearing that and all I can think is...Wow. I mean, what do I say to that? I don't think that at all. I mean, pregnancy on this thread is looked at as a disease. It's appalling.

3.) Okay. Point taken.

4.) "Who am I to say tough luck"...okay...I had a friend who got pregnant outside of marriage. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say she should have waited until marriage (would have been a much more ideal situation if she had the baby within the marriage, right? Not to mention the guy she was with wasn't a nice person.)
And if she doesn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have sex. For the most part, when a girl has sex, there is a high chance she will get pregnant.
"With great power comes great responsibility," as an awesome comic book character's uncle once said. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say, "You might want to wait, because...you know...it's not the easiest thing raising a child as a teen mom."

5.) I like how people on here have been using 'us'. I mean, I dunno...it sounds like ganging-up. Not like I haven't had that happen before, but you know...just something I noticed. Huh.
I mean, as far as emotional appeals, the "quality of life" thing is a very emotional issue. Just sayin'.

[Mavorpen]

2.) "Unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods"...
Man, I keep hearing that and all I can think is...Wow. I mean, what do I say to that? I don't think that at all. I mean, pregnancy on this thread is looked at as a disease. It's appalling.

Well for me, it might as well be. If I were pregnant it would be the worst experience of my life.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Hmm. Lets see here, a woman deciding that she doesn't want to carry a pregnancy to term... compared to millions of actual PERSONS being systematically tortured and murdered in cold blood. I find myself entertained by the sheer depths of human depravity that people will engage in when they think that they are in the right.

Almost like those folks who try and hide behind their bible and 'religious freedom' as an excuse to discriminate against LGBT couples and people. Yeah. I just compared pro-life to anachronistic hatred. Best part? Mine's closer than yours.

I have no idea what you mean to accomplish by that first part. Abortion is indeed the systematic torture and murder of individuals in cold blood. And nobody has yet to give me a legal definition of 'personhood'. I'm talking legal documents, stating, "Okay, this here is a person, this here is not."

I am not depraved, and if I was I would be in the loony house. Now, I might have a ragingly-insane imagination, but that is only due to me watching too many cartoons and reading lots of books.

Um, here's my problem with the second part:
1.) There's a thread for homosexuality, if you want to talk about that. I don't mind.
2.) I don't discriminate against LGBT couples and people. I have relatives and friends who are gay, and I love them regardless. My problem is when a person says, "Well, I don't agree with gay marriage", and they get called "hateful, intolerant, bigot, etc." by society at large. Meanwhile, you have people in Oklahoma doing Satanic rituals, desecrating the Catholic Church's most precious teaching (Holy Eucharist), and nobody calls that "hateful, intolerant, bigoted, etc." I find this double-standard appalling.

I wouldn't say you're close. Problem is, calling the Church "hateful" is one of the most used arguments I have seen, when browsing the Internet. If you want to talk about the Church, send me a telegram and we can get down to it. Bottom line: the abortion industry is involved in a new sort of holocaust on unborn children. I'm pretty darn close. :/

Okay, let me laugh at you for this:



Done. Now. Stop spreading misinformation and stupid relationships between the holocaust/genocide and abortion. It's not. You can't perform genocide upon cells that are not sentient. Or do we now perform genocide against cockroaches and they deserve our sympathy? Are we not to use rats in chemical research (and I have my issues with how they are being used, but this is not the thread for it).

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1) https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=depravity+definition&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS558US558&q=depravity+definition&gs_l=hp...0l3j0i22i30l2.0.0.0.3526...........0.yLfALOArXUU The definition of depravity. In this case trying to equate a medical procedure used as the last line of defense against getting pregnant when undesired to a systematic program of mass torture and murder against born people who are capable of experiencing pain and suffering, and not understanding that its a terrible comparison from both a functional and emotional standpoint.

It has nothing to do with sanity. It has to do with what people such as yourself deem as 'permissible'.

2) Fetuses cannot feel pain and suffering. Seriously, we slapped you in the face over this before.

3) Didn't stop you from divulging your story with Cerebral Palsy, even though this thread is about abortion, not euthanasia (which I support, but hey, its the person's choice)

4) You may not discriminate against LGBT, its fundamentally irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is yes, mine is closer than your comparison between Abortion and the Holocaust because you are supporting an anachronistic system that continues to believe in women as little more than unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods. You can deny this all you like, but it is most assuredly exactly what you are doing.



1. Slut shaming. If the woman wants to have sex before getting married, who are you to say whether that's good or bad? Also, if she wants to have sex, but does not feel like she's ready for motherhood, who are you to say tough luck?

2. Mav dealt with those.

3. That you keep tossing out appeals to emotion as if you expect to convince us of anything. Really, it just makes your own position look worse and worse.

1.) "A last line of defense against getting pregnant"...wait...what? Did I miss something? Isn't the woman pregnant when she gets the abortion? Did I miss something?
A fetus is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. It's why all that legislation went through about it.
And I would call smashing a fetus's skull and sucking its brain out with a small vacuum pretty depraved...and then throwing babies' bodies in dumpsters behind abortion clinics also isn't a very pretty, humane idea, to say the least...

2.) "Unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods"...
Man, I keep hearing that and all I can think is...Wow. I mean, what do I say to that? I don't think that at all. I mean, pregnancy on this thread is looked at as a disease. It's appalling.

3.) Okay. Point taken.

4.) "Who am I to say tough luck"...okay...I had a friend who got pregnant outside of marriage. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say she should have waited until marriage (would have been a much more ideal situation if she had the baby within the marriage, right? Not to mention the guy she was with wasn't a nice person.)
And if she doesn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have sex. For the most part, when a girl has sex, there is a high chance she will get pregnant.
"With great power comes great responsibility," as an awesome comic book character's uncle once said. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say, "You might want to wait, because...you know...it's not the easiest thing raising a child as a teen mom."

5.) I like how people on here have been using 'us'. I mean, I dunno...it sounds like ganging-up. Not like I haven't had that happen before, but you know...just something I noticed. Huh.
I mean, as far as emotional appeals, the "quality of life" thing is a very emotional issue. Just sayin'.

It's not that pregnancy is seen as a disease.

It is that pregnancy carries risks associated to them.

Or would you actually suggest a woman who is epileptic and cannot be placed under inefficient, lower-toxicity drugs to preserve the child because of her stage of epilepsy to have a pregnancy at great risk of her life?

Also, nice move at proving to me you don't care about other people except your own little feelings on the matter. It is slut shaming to tell her that she should have waited until marriage to have sex. Why, if I'd have been a woman, and you friend, I'd have slapped you across the face for saying that.

[Stormwind-City]

1) https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=depravity+definition&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS558US558&q=depravity+definition&gs_l=hp...0l3j0i22i30l2.0.0.0.3526...........0.yLfALOArXUU The definition of depravity. In this case trying to equate a medical procedure used as the last line of defense against getting pregnant when undesired to a systematic program of mass torture and murder against born people who are capable of experiencing pain and suffering, and not understanding that its a terrible comparison from both a functional and emotional standpoint.

It has nothing to do with sanity. It has to do with what people such as yourself deem as 'permissible'.

2) Fetuses cannot feel pain and suffering. Seriously, we slapped you in the face over this before.

3) Didn't stop you from divulging your story with Cerebral Palsy, even though this thread is about abortion, not euthanasia (which I support, but hey, its the person's choice)

4) You may not discriminate against LGBT, its fundamentally irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is yes, mine is closer than your comparison between Abortion and the Holocaust because you are supporting an anachronistic system that continues to believe in women as little more than unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods. You can deny this all you like, but it is most assuredly exactly what you are doing.



1. Slut shaming. If the woman wants to have sex before getting married, who are you to say whether that's good or bad? Also, if she wants to have sex, but does not feel like she's ready for motherhood, who are you to say tough luck?

2. Mav dealt with those.

3. That you keep tossing out appeals to emotion as if you expect to convince us of anything. Really, it just makes your own position look worse and worse.

1.) "A last line of defense against getting pregnant"...wait...what? Did I miss something? Isn't the woman pregnant when she gets the abortion? Did I miss something?
A fetus is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. It's why all that legislation went through about it.
And I would call smashing a fetus's skull and sucking its brain out with a small vacuum pretty depraved...and then throwing babies' bodies in dumpsters behind abortion clinics also isn't a very pretty, humane idea, to say the least...

2.) "Unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods"...
Man, I keep hearing that and all I can think is...Wow. I mean, what do I say to that? I don't think that at all. I mean, pregnancy on this thread is looked at as a disease. It's appalling.

3.) Okay. Point taken.

4.) "Who am I to say tough luck"...okay...I had a friend who got pregnant outside of marriage. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say she should have waited until marriage (would have been a much more ideal situation if she had the baby within the marriage, right? Not to mention the guy she was with wasn't a nice person.)
And if she doesn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have sex. For the most part, when a girl has sex, there is a high chance she will get pregnant.
"With great power comes great responsibility," as an awesome comic book character's uncle once said. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say, "You might want to wait, because...you know...it's not the easiest thing raising a child as a teen mom."

5.) I like how people on here have been using 'us'. I mean, I dunno...it sounds like ganging-up. Not like I haven't had that happen before, but you know...just something I noticed. Huh.
I mean, as far as emotional appeals, the "quality of life" thing is a very emotional issue. Just sayin'.

4) Ehhh, no. Humans are very inefficient at that. And even when they do get pregnant, ~70% of pregnancies fail to implant or miscarriage without the woman noticing.

[Soselo]

I have no idea what you mean to accomplish by that first part. Abortion is indeed the systematic torture and murder of individuals in cold blood. And nobody has yet to give me a legal definition of 'personhood'. I'm talking legal documents, stating, "Okay, this here is a person, this here is not."

I am not depraved, and if I was I would be in the loony house. Now, I might have a ragingly-insane imagination, but that is only due to me watching too many cartoons and reading lots of books.

Um, here's my problem with the second part:
1.) There's a thread for homosexuality, if you want to talk about that. I don't mind.
2.) I don't discriminate against LGBT couples and people. I have relatives and friends who are gay, and I love them regardless. My problem is when a person says, "Well, I don't agree with gay marriage", and they get called "hateful, intolerant, bigot, etc." by society at large. Meanwhile, you have people in Oklahoma doing Satanic rituals, desecrating the Catholic Church's most precious teaching (Holy Eucharist), and nobody calls that "hateful, intolerant, bigoted, etc." I find this double-standard appalling.

I wouldn't say you're close. Problem is, calling the Church "hateful" is one of the most used arguments I have seen, when browsing the Internet. If you want to talk about the Church, send me a telegram and we can get down to it. Bottom line: the abortion industry is involved in a new sort of holocaust on unborn children. I'm pretty darn close. :/

Okay, let me laugh at you for this:



Done. Now. Stop spreading misinformation and stupid relationships between the holocaust/genocide and abortion. It's not. You can't perform genocide upon cells that are not sentient. Or do we now perform genocide against cockroaches and they deserve our sympathy? Are we not to use rats in chemical research (and I have my issues with how they are being used, but this is not the thread for it).

Cockroaches are alive and they do deserve our sympathy. Must rats be killed during research? As to the ethics of abortion; both sides have legitimate values. I consider myself agnostic on the abortion topic. I will say cockroaches deserve our sympathy.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Okay, let me laugh at you for this:



Done. Now. Stop spreading misinformation and stupid relationships between the holocaust/genocide and abortion. It's not. You can't perform genocide upon cells that are not sentient. Or do we now perform genocide against cockroaches and they deserve our sympathy? Are we not to use rats in chemical research (and I have my issues with how they are being used, but this is not the thread for it).

Cockroaches are alive and they do deserve our sympathy. Must rats be killed during research? As to the ethics of abortion; both sides have legitimate values. I consider myself agnostic on the abortion topic. I will say cockroaches deserve our sympathy.

Well, yes, but if I call an exterminator to kill all the roaches in my house because they are a pest am I now engaging in genocide?

[The United Colonies of Earth]

1.) "A last line of defense against getting pregnant"...wait...what? Did I miss something? Isn't the woman pregnant when she gets the abortion? Did I miss something?
A fetus is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. It's why all that legislation went through about it.
And I would call smashing a fetus's skull and sucking its brain out with a small vacuum pretty depraved...and then throwing babies' bodies in dumpsters behind abortion clinics also isn't a very pretty, humane idea, to say the least...

2.) "Unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods"...
Man, I keep hearing that and all I can think is...Wow. I mean, what do I say to that? I don't think that at all. I mean, pregnancy on this thread is looked at as a disease. It's appalling.

3.) Okay. Point taken.

4.) "Who am I to say tough luck"...okay...I had a friend who got pregnant outside of marriage. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say she should have waited until marriage (would have been a much more ideal situation if she had the baby within the marriage, right? Not to mention the guy she was with wasn't a nice person.)
And if she doesn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have sex. For the most part, when a girl has sex, there is a high chance she will get pregnant.
"With great power comes great responsibility," as an awesome comic book character's uncle once said. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say, "You might want to wait, because...you know...it's not the easiest thing raising a child as a teen mom."

5.) I like how people on here have been using 'us'. I mean, I dunno...it sounds like ganging-up. Not like I haven't had that happen before, but you know...just something I noticed. Huh.
I mean, as far as emotional appeals, the "quality of life" thing is a very emotional issue. Just sayin'.

4) Ehhh, no. Humans are very inefficient at that. And even when they do get pregnant, ~70% of pregnancies fail to implant or miscarriage without the woman noticing.

The people here now are badasses in my opinion.
As for abortion, well, who am I to judge? Let the gravida decide.

[Stormwind-City]

4) Ehhh, no. Humans are very inefficient at that. And even when they do get pregnant, ~70% of pregnancies fail to implant or miscarriage without the woman noticing.

The people here now are badasses in my opinion.
As for abortion, well, who am I to judge? Let the gravida decide.

Thanks?

[Soselo]

Cockroaches are alive and they do deserve our sympathy. Must rats be killed during research? As to the ethics of abortion; both sides have legitimate values. I consider myself agnostic on the abortion topic. I will say cockroaches deserve our sympathy.

Well, yes, but if I call an exterminator to kill all the roaches in my house because they are a pest am I now engaging in genocide?

Unfortunately, you are and you get away with it because they're smaller than you. There are more humane(ironic word choice) ways of handling infestation.

[Godular]

1) https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=depravity+definition&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS558US558&q=depravity+definition&gs_l=hp...0l3j0i22i30l2.0.0.0.3526...........0.yLfALOArXUU The definition of depravity. In this case trying to equate a medical procedure used as the last line of defense against getting pregnant when undesired to a systematic program of mass torture and murder against born people who are capable of experiencing pain and suffering, and not understanding that its a terrible comparison from both a functional and emotional standpoint.

It has nothing to do with sanity. It has to do with what people such as yourself deem as 'permissible'.

2) Fetuses cannot feel pain and suffering. Seriously, we slapped you in the face over this before.

3) Didn't stop you from divulging your story with Cerebral Palsy, even though this thread is about abortion, not euthanasia (which I support, but hey, its the person's choice)

4) You may not discriminate against LGBT, its fundamentally irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is yes, mine is closer than your comparison between Abortion and the Holocaust because you are supporting an anachronistic system that continues to believe in women as little more than unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods. You can deny this all you like, but it is most assuredly exactly what you are doing.



1. Slut shaming. If the woman wants to have sex before getting married, who are you to say whether that's good or bad? Also, if she wants to have sex, but does not feel like she's ready for motherhood, who are you to say tough luck?

2. Mav dealt with those.

3. That you keep tossing out appeals to emotion as if you expect to convince us of anything. Really, it just makes your own position look worse and worse.

1.) "A last line of defense against getting pregnant"...wait...what? Did I miss something? Isn't the woman pregnant when she gets the abortion? Did I miss something?
A fetus is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. It's why all that legislation went through about it.
And I would call smashing a fetus's skull and sucking its brain out with a small vacuum pretty depraved...and then throwing babies' bodies in dumpsters behind abortion clinics also isn't a very pretty, humane idea, to say the least...

2.) "Unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods"...
Man, I keep hearing that and all I can think is...Wow. I mean, what do I say to that? I don't think that at all. I mean, pregnancy on this thread is looked at as a disease. It's appalling.

3.) Okay. Point taken.

4.) "Who am I to say tough luck"...okay...I had a friend who got pregnant outside of marriage. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say she should have waited until marriage (would have been a much more ideal situation if she had the baby within the marriage, right? Not to mention the guy she was with wasn't a nice person.)
And if she doesn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have sex. For the most part, when a girl has sex, there is a high chance she will get pregnant.
"With great power comes great responsibility," as an awesome comic book character's uncle once said. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say, "You might want to wait, because...you know...it's not the easiest thing raising a child as a teen mom."

5.) I like how people on here have been using 'us'. I mean, I dunno...it sounds like ganging-up. Not like I haven't had that happen before, but you know...just something I noticed. Huh.
I mean, as far as emotional appeals, the "quality of life" thing is a very emotional issue. Just sayin'.

1. Well, obviously if contraceptives fail and she gets pregnant anyway, she shouldn't have to keep it because Damn that's one tenacious zygote... or 'Wow God REALLY wanted you preggers!'

Also, random synaptic patterns does not pain and suffering registry make. Seriously, you've been arguing against people with biology degrees and somehow you keep acting as if you know more on the subject.

2. Not a disease, but something that a woman shouldn't have to endure just because you have some righteousness complex.

4. News flash, not everybody shares your moral code. Also news flash, kids are impulsive. Abstinence only horseshit is worthless. Better to educate teens on how to avoid pregnancy if they choose to engage in such activities because somebody is damn well gonna. But you know, completely derailing your life to raise a kid when your not ready is totes the moral thing to do.

[Free Market Paradise]

If you mean humane as in inflicting minimal pain then I think abortion is humane since that is about the least amount of pain a person can experience throughout their life.

Any other definition no.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

1) https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=&oq=depravity+definition&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGNI_enUS558US558&q=depravity+definition&gs_l=hp...0l3j0i22i30l2.0.0.0.3526...........0.yLfALOArXUU The definition of depravity. In this case trying to equate a medical procedure used as the last line of defense against getting pregnant when undesired to a systematic program of mass torture and murder against born people who are capable of experiencing pain and suffering, and not understanding that its a terrible comparison from both a functional and emotional standpoint.

It has nothing to do with sanity. It has to do with what people such as yourself deem as 'permissible'.

2) Fetuses cannot feel pain and suffering. Seriously, we slapped you in the face over this before.

3) Didn't stop you from divulging your story with Cerebral Palsy, even though this thread is about abortion, not euthanasia (which I support, but hey, its the person's choice)

4) You may not discriminate against LGBT, its fundamentally irrelevant. The simple fact of the matter is yes, mine is closer than your comparison between Abortion and the Holocaust because you are supporting an anachronistic system that continues to believe in women as little more than unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods. You can deny this all you like, but it is most assuredly exactly what you are doing.



1. Slut shaming. If the woman wants to have sex before getting married, who are you to say whether that's good or bad? Also, if she wants to have sex, but does not feel like she's ready for motherhood, who are you to say tough luck?

2. Mav dealt with those.

3. That you keep tossing out appeals to emotion as if you expect to convince us of anything. Really, it just makes your own position look worse and worse.

1.) "A last line of defense against getting pregnant"...wait...what? Did I miss something? Isn't the woman pregnant when she gets the abortion? Did I miss something?
A fetus is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. It's why all that legislation went through about it.
And I would call smashing a fetus's skull and sucking its brain out with a small vacuum pretty depraved...and then throwing babies' bodies in dumpsters behind abortion clinics also isn't a very pretty, humane idea, to say the least...

2.) "Unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods"...
Man, I keep hearing that and all I can think is...Wow. I mean, what do I say to that? I don't think that at all. I mean, pregnancy on this thread is looked at as a disease. It's appalling.

3.) Okay. Point taken.

4.) "Who am I to say tough luck"...okay...I had a friend who got pregnant outside of marriage. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say she should have waited until marriage (would have been a much more ideal situation if she had the baby within the marriage, right? Not to mention the guy she was with wasn't a nice person.)
And if she doesn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have sex. For the most part, when a girl has sex, there is a high chance she will get pregnant.
"With great power comes great responsibility," as an awesome comic book character's uncle once said. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say, "You might want to wait, because...you know...it's not the easiest thing raising a child as a teen mom."

5.) I like how people on here have been using 'us'. I mean, I dunno...it sounds like ganging-up. Not like I haven't had that happen before, but you know...just something I noticed. Huh.
I mean, as far as emotional appeals, the "quality of life" thing is a very emotional issue. Just sayin'.

1. Let me explain you a thing. Fetuses do not Experience Pain at That time.

2. Pregnancy isn't a disease but you aren't allowed to force women into remaining pregnant and giving birth.

4. Here's a little hint. You are not allowed to tell her what to do with her body and it is not your place to tell her whether or not you think she made a mistake. Abstinence is great for those who want to do that. Abstinence isn't going to happen for most people, though. And that is fine. That is their body, you need to realize that Not Your Body = Not Your Choice. If you want to stop abortions, don't say "be abstinent!" because studies have proven that Abstinence education Does Not Work
So, by thinking "everyone should just be abstinent and receive abstinence education" you are supporting measures that make abortion and unplanned pregnancy more common especially in teens.

5. You are talking to more than one person, of course we are going to use "us." That's what the grammatically intent of the word is.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1.) "A last line of defense against getting pregnant"...wait...what? Did I miss something? Isn't the woman pregnant when she gets the abortion? Did I miss something?
A fetus is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. It's why all that legislation went through about it.
And I would call smashing a fetus's skull and sucking its brain out with a small vacuum pretty depraved...and then throwing babies' bodies in dumpsters behind abortion clinics also isn't a very pretty, humane idea, to say the least...

2.) "Unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods"...
Man, I keep hearing that and all I can think is...Wow. I mean, what do I say to that? I don't think that at all. I mean, pregnancy on this thread is looked at as a disease. It's appalling.

3.) Okay. Point taken.

4.) "Who am I to say tough luck"...okay...I had a friend who got pregnant outside of marriage. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say she should have waited until marriage (would have been a much more ideal situation if she had the baby within the marriage, right? Not to mention the guy she was with wasn't a nice person.)
And if she doesn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have sex. For the most part, when a girl has sex, there is a high chance she will get pregnant.
"With great power comes great responsibility," as an awesome comic book character's uncle once said. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say, "You might want to wait, because...you know...it's not the easiest thing raising a child as a teen mom."

5.) I like how people on here have been using 'us'. I mean, I dunno...it sounds like ganging-up. Not like I haven't had that happen before, but you know...just something I noticed. Huh.
I mean, as far as emotional appeals, the "quality of life" thing is a very emotional issue. Just sayin'.

1. Let me explain you a thing. Fetuses do not Experience Pain at That time.

2. Pregnancy isn't a disease but you aren't allowed to force women into remaining pregnant and giving birth.

4. Here's a little hint. You are not allowed to tell her what to do with her body and it is not your place to tell her whether or not you think she made a mistake. Abstinence is great for those who want to do that. Abstinence isn't going to happen for most people, though. And that is fine. That is their body, you need to realize that Not Your Body = Not Your Choice. If you want to stop abortions, don't say "be abstinent!" because studies have proven that Abstinence education Does Not Work
So, by thinking "everyone should just be abstinent and receive abstinence education" you are supporting measures that make abortion and unplanned pregnancy more common especially in teens.

5. You are talking to more than one person, of course we are going to use "us." That's what the grammatically intent of the word is.

I'm not sure if we should keep at this.

I mean I literally almost spill my dinner at her remark that abortion is like the Holocaust.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

1.) "A last line of defense against getting pregnant"...wait...what? Did I miss something? Isn't the woman pregnant when she gets the abortion? Did I miss something?
A fetus is capable of feeling pain at 20 weeks. It's why all that legislation went through about it.
And I would call smashing a fetus's skull and sucking its brain out with a small vacuum pretty depraved...and then throwing babies' bodies in dumpsters behind abortion clinics also isn't a very pretty, humane idea, to say the least...

2.) "Unnecessarily complicated walking gestation pods"...
Man, I keep hearing that and all I can think is...Wow. I mean, what do I say to that? I don't think that at all. I mean, pregnancy on this thread is looked at as a disease. It's appalling.

3.) Okay. Point taken.

4.) "Who am I to say tough luck"...okay...I had a friend who got pregnant outside of marriage. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say she should have waited until marriage (would have been a much more ideal situation if she had the baby within the marriage, right? Not to mention the guy she was with wasn't a nice person.)
And if she doesn't want to have a baby, she shouldn't have sex. For the most part, when a girl has sex, there is a high chance she will get pregnant.
"With great power comes great responsibility," as an awesome comic book character's uncle once said. It is not 'slut-shaming' to say, "You might want to wait, because...you know...it's not the easiest thing raising a child as a teen mom."

5.) I like how people on here have been using 'us'. I mean, I dunno...it sounds like ganging-up. Not like I haven't had that happen before, but you know...just something I noticed. Huh.
I mean, as far as emotional appeals, the "quality of life" thing is a very emotional issue. Just sayin'.

1. Let me explain you a thing. Fetuses do not Experience Pain at That time.

2. Pregnancy isn't a disease but you aren't allowed to force women into remaining pregnant and giving birth.

4. Here's a little hint. You are not allowed to tell her what to do with her body and it is not your place to tell her whether or not you think she made a mistake. Abstinence is great for those who want to do that. Abstinence isn't going to happen for most people, though. And that is fine. That is their body, you need to realize that Not Your Body = Not Your Choice. If you want to stop abortions, don't say "be abstinent!" because studies have proven that Abstinence education Does Not Work
So, by thinking "everyone should just be abstinent and receive abstinence education" you are supporting measures that make abortion and unplanned pregnancy more common especially in teens.

5. You are talking to more than one person, of course we are going to use "us." That's what the grammatically intent of the word is.

5. They must think it's good to have more people by such backwards methods.

1. Let me explain you a thing. Fetuses do not Experience Pain at That time.

2. Pregnancy isn't a disease but you aren't allowed to force women into remaining pregnant and giving birth.

4. Here's a little hint. You are not allowed to tell her what to do with her body and it is not your place to tell her whether or not you think she made a mistake. Abstinence is great for those who want to do that. Abstinence isn't going to happen for most people, though. And that is fine. That is their body, you need to realize that Not Your Body = Not Your Choice. If you want to stop abortions, don't say "be abstinent!" because studies have proven that Abstinence education Does Not Work
So, by thinking "everyone should just be abstinent and receive abstinence education" you are supporting measures that make abortion and unplanned pregnancy more common especially in teens.

5. You are talking to more than one person, of course we are going to use "us." That's what the grammatically intent of the word is.

I'm not sure if we should keep at this.

I mean I literally almost spill my dinner at her remark that abortion is like the Holocaust.

Luminesa is female?

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

1. Let me explain you a thing. Fetuses do not Experience Pain at That time.

2. Pregnancy isn't a disease but you aren't allowed to force women into remaining pregnant and giving birth.

4. Here's a little hint. You are not allowed to tell her what to do with her body and it is not your place to tell her whether or not you think she made a mistake. Abstinence is great for those who want to do that. Abstinence isn't going to happen for most people, though. And that is fine. That is their body, you need to realize that Not Your Body = Not Your Choice. If you want to stop abortions, don't say "be abstinent!" because studies have proven that Abstinence education Does Not Work
So, by thinking "everyone should just be abstinent and receive abstinence education" you are supporting measures that make abortion and unplanned pregnancy more common especially in teens.

5. You are talking to more than one person, of course we are going to use "us." That's what the grammatically intent of the word is.

I'm not sure if we should keep at this.

I mean I literally almost spill my dinner at her remark that abortion is like the Holocaust.

I love it when people equate the genocide of 6 million people + the associated systematic extermination of 20~ million to women choosing to not give birth against their will.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

1. Let me explain you a thing. Fetuses do not Experience Pain at That time.

2. Pregnancy isn't a disease but you aren't allowed to force women into remaining pregnant and giving birth.

4. Here's a little hint. You are not allowed to tell her what to do with her body and it is not your place to tell her whether or not you think she made a mistake. Abstinence is great for those who want to do that. Abstinence isn't going to happen for most people, though. And that is fine. That is their body, you need to realize that Not Your Body = Not Your Choice. If you want to stop abortions, don't say "be abstinent!" because studies have proven that Abstinence education Does Not Work
So, by thinking "everyone should just be abstinent and receive abstinence education" you are supporting measures that make abortion and unplanned pregnancy more common especially in teens.

5. You are talking to more than one person, of course we are going to use "us." That's what the grammatically intent of the word is.

5. They must think it's good to have more people by such backwards methods.

I'm not sure if we should keep at this.

I mean I literally almost spill my dinner at her remark that abortion is like the Holocaust.

Luminesa is female?

That's what she claimed in this very thread so that's how I treat her.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm not sure if we should keep at this.

I mean I literally almost spill my dinner at her remark that abortion is like the Holocaust.

I love it when people equate the genocide of 6 million people + the associated systematic extermination of 20~ million to women choosing to not give birth against their will.

Not counting she also compares abortion doctors to Mengele.

The sheer historical ignorance, it hurts...

[The United Colonies of Earth]

5. They must think it's good to have more people by such backwards methods.

Luminesa is female?

That's what she claimed in this very thread so that's how I treat her.

Thanks for clearing that up.
On topic, she has a sadly twisted view of abortion. Sounds like "common sense" to me- and by that, I mean the common* impulsive human response to a situation when only basic information is presented.

*insofar as it is supposedly common

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

I love it when people equate the genocide of 6 million people + the associated systematic extermination of 20~ million to women choosing to not give birth against their will.

Not counting she also compares abortion doctors to Mengele.

The sheer historical ignorance, it hurts...

The sheer ignorance in general...

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

That's what she claimed in this very thread so that's how I treat her.

Thanks for clearing that up.
On topic, she has a sadly twisted view of abortion. Sounds like "common sense" to me- and by that, I mean the common* impulsive human response to a situation when only basic information is presented.

*insofar as it is supposedly common

honestly it's similar to a person rallying against vaccinations because "one time I got the flu shot and I got sick!"

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Thanks for clearing that up.
On topic, she has a sadly twisted view of abortion. Sounds like "common sense" to me- and by that, I mean the common* impulsive human response to a situation when only basic information is presented.

*insofar as it is supposedly common

honestly it's similar to a person rallying against vaccinations because "one time I got the flu shot and I got sick!"

Oh no, see, based on her logic abortion is icky to describe as well therefore it should be banned.

I wonder if she'd feel that way about placing a stent in a myocardial artery if I describe the procedure in all its glorious detail.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

honestly it's similar to a person rallying against vaccinations because "one time I got the flu shot and I got sick!"

Oh no, see, based on her logic abortion is icky to describe as well therefore it should be banned.

I wonder if she'd feel that way about placing a stent in a myocardial artery if I describe the procedure in all its glorious detail.

Gods no. Please don't tell me.
We might as well ban all surgeries, sex, living, existence based on ickiness.