Abortion: Humane or not?

[Larthinia]

I didn't know how to express myself, that's why I 'recommended'. You see, English is not my native language.
You can't simply say that. The fetus is a human, too. Not just a parasite.

I don't see why we should consider it an individual human being until it has distinct brain activities and is sentient.

Well, it has later in his life. But, take it this way:
It may be a 'tumor' now, but, later it will be a human with sentiments and brain. So, I don't get it why you should steal somebody's chance to live, except an extreme case.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

No, it is not. It is not an individual and it is about as human as a tumor. Sure, it is alive and a mass of cells, but that is about it.

A mass of cells which will later become a human, if you want to take it that way.

But it is not a human individual until it is self aware and sentient. Since it is not, there is nothing wrong with terminating it. It is not murder, no more than masturbating is genocide.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I don't see why we should consider it an individual human being until it has distinct brain activities and is sentient.

Well, it has later in his life. But, take it this way:
It may be a 'tumor' now, but, later it will be a human with sentiments and brain. So, I don't get it why you should steal somebody's chance to live, except an extreme case.

And I don't see why we must force a woman to be breeding stock if she does not want to.

[Mavorpen]

I don't see why we should consider it an individual human being until it has distinct brain activities and is sentient.

Well, it has later in his life. But, take it this way:
It may be a 'tumor' now, but, later it will be a human with sentiments and brain. So, I don't get it why you should steal somebody's chance to live, except an extreme case.

The same reason why we don't bury you right now because you will eventually become a corpse: potential means jack shit.

[Larthinia]

simple question

what if you were aborted would you support it

Yes.

Next asinine question?

You don't seem to take this seriously. Also, it doesn't make any sense. You clearly didn't think about the question, you just wrote 'yes' to anger us.
Believe me, if you were a surviving case of abortion, and the doctors would tell you that, I don't think you would support it, if you claim to be a human with sentiments and brain.

[Udinia]

Ugh, not this again.....


Look, Mavorpen, it does the discussion no benefit to compare fetuses to parasitic worms. All it does is anger your opponent which defeats the point of debating....which is to convey your side of the argument in a manner understood by the opposing side. Let's no make unsavory comparions between humans, or potential humans and parasites, ok dear?

No thank you. You have utterly no authority over what I post, so don't pretend like you do.

Not my point, or intention.

You're obviously an intelligent person, I've read your posts in this thread and others. My point is that making inflammatory remarks in a debate isn't befitting of individuals of intellect, you have no need to resort to such low tactics. If the facts are on your side let them do their job.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

Yes.

Next asinine question?

You don't seem to take this seriously. Also, it doesn't make any sense. You clearly didn't think about the question, you just wrote 'yes' to anger us.
Believe me, if you were a surviving case of abortion, and the doctors would tell you that, I don't think you would support it, if you claim to be a human with sentiments and brain.

I still wouldn't care, no. It would have been my mother's choice and if that is the choice she made, she had every right to do so. I fail to see why that is difficult to understand.

[Larthinia]

A mass of cells which will later become a human, if you want to take it that way.

But it is not a human individual until it is self aware and sentient. Since it is not, there is nothing wrong with terminating it. It is not murder, no more than masturbating is genocide.

That is somewhat true. But take it this way: it is just a being struggling to survive. If you would have been a fetus, you would have been fighting for living, too.

[Mavorpen]

Yes.

Next asinine question?

You don't seem to take this seriously.

Yes, I typically do not take stupid questions seriously.

Also, it doesn't make any sense. You clearly didn't think about the question, you just wrote 'yes' to anger us.

No, I wrote yes because, well, it's true. Don't whine because you don't get the answer you expect to your stupidly loaded question.

Believe me, if you were a surviving case of abortion, and the doctors would tell you that, I don't think you would support it, if you claim to be a human with sentiments and brain.

Nope, I'd still support it, because I'm an adult that recognizes decisions made by my mother about her own body. Perhaps anyone who answers otherwise should actually grow up and do that themselves.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Actually, every creature's life on Earth is important. You can't simply say "fuck the turtle". If you were a 'less important' creature, let's say a bug, would you like being called 'less important'? I don't think so.

Yes, every life on Earth is important-ish.

However, I'm not going to give up my life just to save a turtle. Fuck the turtle.

[Mavorpen]

No thank you. You have utterly no authority over what I post, so don't pretend like you do.

Not my point, or intention.

You're obviously an intelligent person, I've read your posts in this thread and others. My point is that making inflammatory remarks in a debate isn't befitting of individuals of intellect, you have no need to resort to such low tactics. If the facts are on your side let them do their job.

I'm not resorting to "low tactics." I don't give a crap about your opinion about me. I have no idea who you are.

If you have anything interesting to say, say it. Otherwise this is a waste of my time.

[Larthinia]

You don't seem to take this seriously. Also, it doesn't make any sense. You clearly didn't think about the question, you just wrote 'yes' to anger us.
Believe me, if you were a surviving case of abortion, and the doctors would tell you that, I don't think you would support it, if you claim to be a human with sentiments and brain.

I still wouldn't care, no. It would have been my mother's choice and if that is the choice she made, she had every right to do so. I fail to see why that is difficult to understand.

I don't think you wouldn't care. You easily say this, because you are not a surviving case of abortion. You are just a probably American guy sitting on the chair and debating this, with a mother who loves you.
If you would have been surviving abortion, and, later, you would find out, you wouldn't be so happy.

[Bezkoshtovnya]

But it is not a human individual until it is self aware and sentient. Since it is not, there is nothing wrong with terminating it. It is not murder, no more than masturbating is genocide.

That is somewhat true. But take it this way: it is just a being struggling to survive. If you would have been a fetus, you would have been fighting for living, too.

So what if it is just struggling to survive? How does this have any bearing? And as I said before, if my mother decided to abort me as a fetus, it would have been her right to do so.

[Libronyscien]

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Technically you made it sound more like an option when you said it, something that I forgot to do. But regardless it's why I'm slowly wanting sex ed to go more and more in to psychology, biology, and so on when discussing this subject. I almost feel like I didn't get want I needed out of that subject when I had to take it in my school.

Thanks for the complement btw.

I only spoke the truth.
But you're welcome.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

simple question

what if you were aborted would you support it

No.

Simple reason: I wouldn't be here typing for it if I would have been aborted.

Your question simply doesn't make sense.

[Redsection]

by Redsection » Wed Jan 07, 2015 12:04 pm

simple question

what if you were aborted would you support it

what i mean bye this is if you were aborted tou wouldnt ever be here thus you would have never been able to support abortion and people can talk all they want if you listened in biology a cell is a living organism a complex living organism able to communicate with other cells
now think of yourself you made up of millions of cells and all these cells form to make an organism so practicaly you are nothging more than a blolb of cell so should you be able to be aborted

quote: 'blessed is the mind to small to think"

[Larthinia]

Actually, every creature's life on Earth is important. You can't simply say "fuck the turtle". If you were a 'less important' creature, let's say a bug, would you like being called 'less important'? I don't think so.

Yes, every life on Earth is important-ish.

However, I'm not going to give up my life just to save a turtle. Fuck the turtle.

Well, the turtle would give up your life to save itself, too....

[Bezkoshtovnya]

I still wouldn't care, no. It would have been my mother's choice and if that is the choice she made, she had every right to do so. I fail to see why that is difficult to understand.

I don't think you wouldn't care. You easily say this, because you are not a surviving case of abortion. You are just a probably American guy sitting on the chair and debating this, with a mother who loves you.
If you would have been surviving abortion, and, later, you would find out, you wouldn't be so happy.

Well it is unfortunate that that is what you think, as it is false. In fact, I was going to have a third sister before my mom made the very difficult decision to abort it as we would not have the means to take care of it. Guess what? I am not mad at her in the slightest. It was the correct choice, and hers to make.

[Libronyscien]

Actually, every creature's life on Earth is important. You can't simply say "fuck the turtle". If you were a 'less important' creature, let's say a bug, would you like being called 'less important'? I don't think so.

Yes, every life on Earth is important-ish.

However, I'm not going to give up my life just to save a turtle. Fuck the turtle.

Don't do that. That shit is illegal.

[Larthinia]

That is somewhat true. But take it this way: it is just a being struggling to survive. If you would have been a fetus, you would have been fighting for living, too.

So what if it is just struggling to survive? How does this have any bearing? And as I said before, if my mother decided to abort me as a fetus, it would have been her right to do so.

Well, it is also an entity of living being. It is important in it's way, too. Because, this entity will later conserve the human beings by reproduction, and so it will keep the human race existing.

[Larthinia]

I don't think you wouldn't care. You easily say this, because you are not a surviving case of abortion. You are just a probably American guy sitting on the chair and debating this, with a mother who loves you.
If you would have been surviving abortion, and, later, you would find out, you wouldn't be so happy.

Well it is unfortunate that that is what you think, as it is false. In fact, I was going to have a third sister before my mom made the very difficult decision to abort it as we would not have the means to take care of it. Guess what? I am not mad at her in the slightest. It was the correct choice, and hers to make.

Well, it was your sister's life, not your life.

[Mavorpen]

So what if it is just struggling to survive? How does this have any bearing? And as I said before, if my mother decided to abort me as a fetus, it would have been her right to do so.

Well, it is also an entity of living being. It is important in it's way, too. Because, this entity will later conserve the human beings by reproduction, and so it will keep the human race existing.

Riiight. So what you're saying is that it should be illegal to not have children, right?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Yes, every life on Earth is important-ish.

However, I'm not going to give up my life just to save a turtle. Fuck the turtle.

Well, the turtle would give up your life to save itself, too....

Exactly, it's self-interest in surviving.

I'm not saying lives are not important, but from a perspective of "I am important" then fuck yes my life is more important than anyone else's life.

Now, the obvious exception to that rule is children, I'd bite the bullet for one of my children, but that's still a very self-interested affair since I am ensuring my offspring live.

[Mavorpen]

Abortion is wrong and simply disgusting the fact that a woman would be allowed to kill her unborn child just because she doesn't want to deal with it is awful. If she makes a decision to have sex and get pregnant then she should have to raise it or turn it over to the state. There's condoms as well as birth control that people can use to avoid pregnancy if a woman gets pregnant it's because of her lack of responsibility.

Nope, having an abortion displays not a lack of responsibility but quite a lot of it.

[Larthinia]

Well, it is also an entity of living being. It is important in it's way, too. Because, this entity will later conserve the human beings by reproduction, and so it will keep the human race existing.

Riiight. So what you're saying is that it should be illegal to not have children, right?

I didn't say that.
And, you didn't put any thought in this comeback. If having children would be illegal, human race would slowly fade off, and you know that.