Abortion: Humane or not?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You're damn right he shouldn't. Men don't own women. I'm sure you'd like to, but you don't.

You will have to forgive them.

They live in the year 304 C.E.

304 C.E. where?

[Benuty]

You will have to forgive them.

They live in the year 304 C.E.

304 C.E. where?

The slums of Athens.

[Dain II Ironfoot]

No, i simply don't want to waste the life of a healthy kid.
Overpopulation doesn't really have anything to do with this, especially now that there are things to prevent (i know it only works 99.9999999999% of the time) having children.

Why though, what's the purpose on defending a fetus' life over the rights of a woman so much?

You say you want to save the life of the child, but ultimately, is there any purpose to it that will benefit mankind, or is this merely petty morality and just to make you feel better in the end?

How would it deny the right of a woman? It only prevents her from taking her resposibility for the actions she preformed.
Why should it serve mankind? A life is a life, nothing more. Nobody would give a rats ass if you or i wouldn't have been born, though we where born and even then we're just numbers in the eyes of mankind. Why should it have such purpose?

Ever heard of proper police work, education, "see above" and proper government support/regulation?

Ever heard of imperfect and imporper work, lack or deficit (to learning) [or inability to get a] education, "see above" is overpopulation which will eventually have a large competitive environment, and lack of government regulation?

Proper police does proper work, i can't help it that in several countries the police acts like a bunch of teenagers. educations comes from a child, if you don't want to learn it then that's your problem. If you can't lean (mostly poverty) then that issue should be fixed, but see the line "to poor to" above.
Once more, overpopulation won't be caused by this, try something else. lack of government regulations when it comes to helping in the orphanages (or whatever the proper name is in English) and such.

[Araksasya]

That's probably only the people open about there past because there against it now.

How could it happen on purpose though, like brotherr and sister knowingly doing it?

Yes Benut yes I am.Anyways just answer the question.

[The United Colonies of Earth]

To satisfy his strange focus on fetuses. Or to pack off some people and send them to the nearest habitable exoplanet.

I'd support it if it was in a third world country and the woman or man could not afford the kid but if its a first world country where these kinds of things are highly improbable but still likely they still have to responsibility in my opinion since it's about a human life. But you do have a point in overpopulation, it's gonna be a big problem in the future.

Yeah, overpopulation is a pretty good reason to limit the number of babies born. I support it because I really don't think there's much I can do to comprehend all that goes into an abortion.

To satisfy his strange focus on fetuses. Or to pack off some people and send them to the nearest habitable exoplanet.

Well according to the feminist Freudians it is most likely this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Womb_and_vagina_envy

Bloody...ok.

[Uxupox]

304 C.E. where?

The slums of Athens.

Don't think that anyone here is advocating the abuse or control of women here.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

How would it deny the right of a woman? It only prevents her from taking her resposibility for the actions she preformed.
Why should it serve mankind? A life is a life, nothing more. Nobody would give a rats ass if you or i wouldn't have been born, though we where born and even then we're just numbers in the eyes of mankind. Why should it have such purpose?

Women should have the right to decide what's best for their own bodies. Telling them "oh but you can't because I know what's best" is treating them like children.

Why do you want to treat women like children?

I was born and I have a function in society because of it. An unborn doesn't have any function in society other than survival of our species. Barring that, given we are 7 billion people, what do you think life should be saved for?

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

[Dain II Ironfoot]

1) It actually does.

No it doesn't. Saying it does doesn't make it so.

2) Which would deny life, and that on its turn is something bad.

No it isn't. Can I kidnap you and force you to donate one of your kidneys, lungs, and part of your liver? After all, those organs could save the lives of other people. And according to you, denying life is worse than violating bodily rights.

3) Your opinion, not mine. You still deny something to live, which is wrong.

And your opinion is completely irrelevant to my life, so that's great. Stop calling things that obviously aren't wrong wrong. We "deny something to live" all the damn time. You do it just by living.[/quote]

1) It does, you denying it doesn't make it true.

2) It is, and once more, see "health" part far above somewhere. Please try to learn my post instead of making these blind replies.

3) So is yours, oh, and no, i will continue to say it becouse it is wrong.

It actually does, you're saying that a father shouldn't have anything to say about it? its his child aswell you know. That's your opinion.

You're damn right he shouldn't. Men don't own women. I'm sure you'd like to, but you don't.

I don't no, and i wouldn't. Though denying a father to have something to say about his child is just sick.

It actually does, you're saying that a father shouldn't have anything to say about it? its his child aswell you know. That's your opinion.

I'm a man, and if I was to leave a woman pregnant she doesn't have to count with my approval to abort a child. I'd appreciate it if she tells me she's going to do it or if she lets me be part of the decision making, but she doesn't have to.

That's your opinion, though many around here would disagree with that.

How would it deny the right of a woman? It only prevents her from taking her resposibility for the actions she preformed.
Why should it serve mankind? A life is a life, nothing more. Nobody would give a rats ass if you or i wouldn't have been born, though we where born and even then we're just numbers in the eyes of mankind. Why should it have such purpose?

Women should have the right to decide what's best for their own bodies. Telling them "oh but you can't because I know what's best" is treating them like children.

Why do you want to treat women like children?

I was born and I have a function in society because of it. An unborn doesn't have any function in society other than survival of our species. Barring that, given we are 7 billion people, what do you think life should be saved for?

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

What's best for their bodies, sure, but laziness has nothing to do with your body.
I don't, everybody should stand up to take responsibility for their actions, not just women.
When they're born they would have a function in society, for whatever that's worth. I don't believe life has any real "special" meaning at all. If you want to counter overpopulation then start implementing some "one child" policies, worked in China.
Its different but still equal.

[Uxupox]

How would it deny the right of a woman? It only prevents her from taking her resposibility for the actions she preformed.
Why should it serve mankind? A life is a life, nothing more. Nobody would give a rats ass if you or i wouldn't have been born, though we where born and even then we're just numbers in the eyes of mankind. Why should it have such purpose?

Women should have the right to decide what's best for their own bodies. Telling them "oh but you can't because I know what's best" is treating them like children.

Why do you want to treat women like children?

I was born and I have a function in society because of it. An unborn doesn't have any function in society other than survival of our species. Barring that, given we are 7 billion people, what do you think life should be saved for?

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

Life is equal not matter who you are. Unless you are not part of our species.

[Benuty]

Women should have the right to decide what's best for their own bodies. Telling them "oh but you can't because I know what's best" is treating them like children.

Why do you want to treat women like children?

I was born and I have a function in society because of it. An unborn doesn't have any function in society other than survival of our species. Barring that, given we are 7 billion people, what do you think life should be saved for?

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

Life is equal not matter who you are. Unless you are not part of our species.

So life is not equal then?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm a man, and if I was to leave a woman pregnant she doesn't have to count with my approval to abort a child. I'd appreciate it if she tells me she's going to do it or if she lets me be part of the decision making, but she doesn't have to.

That's your opinion, though many around here would disagree with that.

Women should have the right to decide what's best for their own bodies. Telling them "oh but you can't because I know what's best" is treating them like children.

Why do you want to treat women like children?

I was born and I have a function in society because of it. An unborn doesn't have any function in society other than survival of our species. Barring that, given we are 7 billion people, what do you think life should be saved for?

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

What's best for their bodies, sure, but laziness has nothing to do with your body.
I don't, everybody should stand up to take responsibility for their actions, not just women.
When they're born they would have a function in society, for whatever that's worth. I don't believe life has any real "special" meaning at all. If you want to counter overpopulation then start implementing some "one child" policies, worked in China.
Its different but still equal.

Why should it be my prerogative whether she wants to keep the baby or not? In other words, what makes me as a man so special that she has to count with my permission to abort?

No, her making a choice whether she wants to go through a pregnancy or not does have to do with her body.

You are, because you're telling them we as men and as a society know better than the woman in question.

If life has no special meaning at all, then why would you want to keep women from aborting?

It's really not.

[Mavorpen]

1) It does, you denying it doesn't make it true.

Okay, so then it doesn't. Let me know when you understand the burden of proof.

2) It is, and once more, see "health" part far above somewhere. Please try to learn my post instead of making these blind replies.

Enough with this irrelevant "health part" bullshit. You can entirely survive without a lung, a kidney, and a part of your liver missing. Are you admitting that "denying life" is NOT above preserving bodily sovereignty?

3) So is yours,

No shit, which is why if you were a woman and didn't want to abort, I'd be fine with that. I however, would abort.

i will continue to say it becouse it is wrong.

Then why are you using a computer? Because you know that things were killed in order to manufacture that, right?

I don't no, and i wouldn't. Though denying a father to have something to say about his child is just sick.

That's too bad, really. You don't own women. Get the hell over it.

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

Actually cattle life is of higher value than a fetus.

And humans aren't carnivores. Don't use words you don't understand please.

[Mavorpen]

Women should have the right to decide what's best for their own bodies. Telling them "oh but you can't because I know what's best" is treating them like children.

Why do you want to treat women like children?

I was born and I have a function in society because of it. An unborn doesn't have any function in society other than survival of our species. Barring that, given we are 7 billion people, what do you think life should be saved for?

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

Life is equal not matter who you are. Unless you are not part of our species.

Bullshit. My individual skin cells are not of equal value than me as a person.

[Uxupox]

Life is equal not matter who you are. Unless you are not part of our species.

So life is not equal then?

Well if your not human then I guess not.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Women should have the right to decide what's best for their own bodies. Telling them "oh but you can't because I know what's best" is treating them like children.

Why do you want to treat women like children?

I was born and I have a function in society because of it. An unborn doesn't have any function in society other than survival of our species. Barring that, given we are 7 billion people, what do you think life should be saved for?

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

Life is equal not matter who you are. Unless you are not part of our species.

Why are human lives all equal?

[Lakimina]

Proper police does proper work, i can't help it that in several countries the police acts like a bunch of teenagers. educations comes from a child, if you don't want to learn it then that's your problem. If you can't lean (mostly poverty) then that issue should be fixed, but see the line "to poor to" above.
Once more, overpopulation won't be caused by this, try something else. lack of government regulations when it comes to helping in the orphanages (or whatever the proper name is in English) and such.

Proper police doesn't always do proper work, and does improper work. Education doesn't come from a child all the time. Such thing as a religious family with a deficit of a funds and a refusal to go to public school exists | If you're going to ignore a proper argument, then I see little reason to continue this.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

Actually cattle life is of higher value than a fetus.

And humans aren't carnivores. Don't use words you don't understand please.

I'm joking, geeze.

Also, you broke the quotation attribution. Dain didn't say that, I did. I was just ribbing at you

[Lakimina]

Women should have the right to decide what's best for their own bodies. Telling them "oh but you can't because I know what's best" is treating them like children.

Why do you want to treat women like children?

I was born and I have a function in society because of it. An unborn doesn't have any function in society other than survival of our species. Barring that, given we are 7 billion people, what do you think life should be saved for?

Lives are lives, but not all lives are equal. The life of cattle animals isn't of the same value as a human life (sorry Mav, but it is how it is as a carnivore )

Life is equal not matter who you are. Unless you are not part of our species.

Life is life. End of story.

[Lakimina]

Actually cattle life is of higher value than a fetus.

And humans aren't carnivores. Don't use words you don't understand please.

I'm joking, geeze.

Also, you broke the quotation attribution. Dain didn't say that, I did. I was just ribbing at you

Mavorpen doesn't joke around here.

[Uxupox]

Life is equal not matter who you are. Unless you are not part of our species.

Bullshit. My individual skin cells are not of equal value than me as a person.

Not talking about microscopic organisms just you as a human being. Since normally a human being is able to choose and be able to go with that conscious about that choice, an organism cannot. They are merely in consequently trying to expand their survival same as animals.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm joking, geeze.

Also, you broke the quotation attribution. Dain didn't say that, I did. I was just ribbing at you

Mavorpen doesn't joke around here.

NSG is serious business *nods*. I kid.

But neh, yea, cattle lives are more important than a fetus, somewhat. I'm still going to eat steak

[Mavorpen]

Not talking about microscopic organisms just you as a human being. Since normally a human being is able to choose and be able to go with that conscious about that choice, an organism cannot. They are merely in consequently trying to expand their survival same as animals.

So basically a fetus is equivalent to microscopic organisms and is not of equal value because they aren't conscious.

Thanks for playing.

[Uxupox]

Life is equal not matter who you are. Unless you are not part of our species.

Why are human lives all equal?

Why not? Is my life worth more than yours? Is my life worth less than yours? How exactly are lives measured?

[Uxupox]

Not talking about microscopic organisms just you as a human being. Since normally a human being is able to choose and be able to go with that conscious about that choice, an organism cannot. They are merely in consequently trying to expand their survival same as animals.

So basically a fetus is equivalent to microscopic organisms and is not of equal value because they aren't conscious.

Thanks for playing.

So when does that fetus become a life? After birth? Maybe... When it can consciously make decisions? When?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Why are human lives all equal?

Why not? Is my life worth more than yours? Is my life worth less than yours? How exactly are lives measured?

Lives, in my opinion, are measured by utility.

If you kill a criminal who was going to shoot you or maim you, would you feel remorse afterwards because you killed them?