Are humans animals? Do animals have souls?

[Skinia]

what happened to archueland and Baughistan? that guy was funny

Got deleted for being an ass one too many times.

[Benuty]

Indeed he was. He will be missed.

Seriously? I though he was tiresome.

At times, though Archeuland is the perfect case study for stage three of Fowler's stages of faith development.

Either they were long run satire or Ken Hams failed propaganda machine.

[Benuty]

what happened to archueland and Baughistan? that guy was funny

Got deleted for being an ass one too many times.

This isn't the first time either.

They have had atleast two other nations who used to constantly fill NSG with fundamentalist issues threads during the summer.

[Skinia]

Got deleted for being an ass one too many times.

This isn't the first time either.

They have had atleast two other nations who used to constantly fill NSG with fundamentalist issues threads during the summer.

I can't wait for NS Summer 2015 when all the nazis come out of their hidey-holes.

[Roski]

Humans are in fact animals, with the evolutionary advantage of intelligence in the form of weaponry and the ability to adapt the environment to us.

[Benuty]

This isn't the first time either.

They have had atleast two other nations who used to constantly fill NSG with fundamentalist issues threads during the summer.

I can't wait for NS Summer 2015 when all the nazis come out of their hidey-holes.

I need to get Fris a new ban hammer this Christmas anyway.

[Kilobugya]

Do you have solid theological proof?

Theology can't prove anything - it's as unconnected to reality as Harry Potter or Lord of the Rings are.

But there is massive scientific evidence there is no such thing as a soul.

[L Ron Cupboard]

This isn't the first time either.

They have had atleast two other nations who used to constantly fill NSG with fundamentalist issues threads during the summer.

I can't wait for NS Summer 2015 when all the nazis come out of their hidey-holes.

Why, it is when NSG is most boring? Same old shit every year, nothing original, nothing interesting...

[Risottia]

That's an angel?

No.

And the picture of an angel is still an angel.
So, don't blink. Keep your eyes on it as you click on the "hide" tag. And don't blink. They're fast but they're quantum-locked so that they can't move while they're being observed. They're going to kill you the moment you take your eyes off them. Did I mention that you shouldn't BLINK? Well, yeah, I did already, and you still shouldn't.

Anyway, back to "animals" and "souls", I always loved how "anima" and "animus" (Latin, meaning "soul" and "living breath"/"spirit") are related to "animal"...

[Sun Wukong]

Souls don't exist, neither humans nor animals have them.

"Are X Y ?" is usually a pretty silly question outside of a clear context and formalized science.. Words in common tongue aren't absolute strict categories, but fuzzy clusters. Is a toy Lego table a table ? Is a photo of a table a table ? Is a tree stump used as improvised table a table ? Is a half-broken table a table ? Even for simple things like "a table" there is no absolute answer to the question "is X a table ?" how can there be one for a more complicated context ? It all depends what purpose you're classifying for, what features you consider important within the context.

For biology, humans are animals. For law, humans aren't animals. For most daily use of the word "animal", humans aren't animals, because they are way too different in the way they behave and the role they play in our lives and societies to be bundled together.

As for consciousness, the closest thing to "souls" that really exist, most animals don't have it (remember, most animals aren't mammals or even birds, but insects and spiders), and it's being debated to which extend the "upper animals" (like apes, dolphins, elephants, ...) do have some amount of it.

Do you have solid theological proof?
*Given Archeuland, formally a rampant creationist who unfortunately got DEAT'd I was hoping this thread would bring out a theological debate not a biology lesson.

There's no such thing as "theological proof." Theologians haven't ever proven anything.

[Skinia]

I can't wait for NS Summer 2015 when all the nazis come out of their hidey-holes.

Why, it is when NSG is most boring? Same old shit every year, nothing original, nothing interesting...

It's still a fresh change to the forum's usual seriousness.

[Benuty]

Do you have solid theological proof?
*Given Archeuland, formally a rampant creationist who unfortunately got DEAT'd I was hoping this thread would bring out a theological debate not a biology lesson.

There's no such thing as "theological proof." Theologians haven't ever proven anything.

They have proven the likelihood of your post history repeating itself concerning theological proof.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Humans are animals that have achieved sapience. We are self aware and thus have different souls than other animals.

When a human dies their soul is recycled and reincarnated into a new sapient creature (maybe human) after having its memory wiped. There is a celestial soul bank where all sapient souls are stored and wiped before being sent to a new creature being born anywhere in the universe. More souls can be created if there is a population growth amongst the sapients. If there is a decline than souls can be merged or kept in storage indefinitely.

Other animals simply reincarnate souls amongst themselves.

[Mavorpen]

Humans are animals that have achieved sapience. We are self aware and thus have different souls than other animals.

I'm afraid to say that if self awareness is your standard, you might want to change that, because humans aren't the only animals that have self awareness.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Humans are animals that have achieved sapience. We are self aware and thus have different souls than other animals.

I'm afraid to say that if self awareness is your standard, you might want to change that, because humans aren't the only animals that have self awareness.

True. Certain apes and dolphins have achieved it to a limited degree. But we have achieved a higher level thus I don't think our souls mix much with theirs.

[Mavorpen]

I'm afraid to say that if self awareness is your standard, you might want to change that, because humans aren't the only animals that have self awareness.

True. Certain apes and dolphins have achieved it to a limited degree. But we have achieved a higher level thus I don't think our souls mix with theirs.

This is nonsensical. There aren't levels of self awareness. You either have it or you do not.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

True. Certain apes and dolphins have achieved it to a limited degree. But we have achieved a higher level thus I don't think our souls mix with theirs.

This is nonsensical. There aren't levels of self awareness. You either have it or you do not.

A dolphin may recognize itself in the mirror. But there is no dolphin shakespeare. No other animal has achieved anything close to what we have in terms of science and creativity.

Also humans are aware of our own mortality.

[MERIZoC]

I'm afraid to say that if self awareness is your standard, you might want to change that, because humans aren't the only animals that have self awareness.

True. Certain apes and dolphins have achieved it to a limited degree. But we have achieved a higher level thus I don't think our souls mix much with theirs.

What? Self awareness doesn't have different degrees. You can't have a "higher level" of it.

[MERIZoC]

This is nonsensical. There aren't levels of self awareness. You either have it or you do not.

A dolphin may recognize itself in the mirror. But there is no dolphin shakespeare. No other animal has achieved anything close to what we have in terms of science and creativity.

Also humans are aware of our own mortality.

Science and creativity have nothing to do with self-awareness. And we have no reason to believe that other animals think themselves immortal. After all, why run from a predator?

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

A dolphin may recognize itself in the mirror. But there is no dolphin shakespeare. No other animal has achieved anything close to what we have in terms of science and creativity.

Also humans are aware of our own mortality.

Science and creativity have nothing to do with self-awareness. And we have no reason to believe that other animals think themselves immortal. After all, why run from a predator?

Instinct.

[Mavorpen]

A dolphin may recognize itself in the mirror. But there is no dolphin shakespeare.

Why the hell would they need or want one?

No other animal has achieved anything close to what we have in terms of science and creativity.

Doesn't in any way establish levels of self awareness.

Also humans are aware of our own mortality.

And?

[Mavorpen]

Science and creativity have nothing to do with self-awareness. And we have no reason to believe that other animals think themselves immortal. After all, why run from a predator?

Instinct.

Which is obvious bullshit considering we've OBSERVED certain other species having a clear understanding of death, to the point where they even mourn it.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Instinct.

Which is obvious bullshit considering we've OBSERVED certain other species having a clear understanding of death, to the point where they even mourn it.

They can understand death but still don't know they themselves will die.

They cannot deduce that they will die, even if they witness something else die.They just think it is a sad random event.

[Mavorpen]

They can understand death but still don't know they themselves will die.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. You're telling me that they can engage in problem solving and logical thinking, and yet cannot grasp the concept that if other members of their group can die, they can?

Yeah, I'm gonna need actual evidence for that bullshit.

They cannot deduce that they will die, even if they witness something else die.They just think it is a sad random event.

And I'm sure you're just not pulling this out of your ass.

[Benuty]

Humans are animals that have achieved sapience. We are self aware and thus have different souls than other animals.

When a human dies their soul is recycled and reincarnated into a new sapient creature (maybe human) after having its memory wiped. There is a celestial soul bank where all sapient souls are stored and wiped before being sent to a new creature being born anywhere in the universe. More souls can be created if there is a population growth amongst the sapients. If there is a decline than souls can be merged or kept in storage indefinitely.

Other animals simply reincarnate souls amongst themselves.

For some reason I thought you were going to go on about that Great Soul business.