Are humans animals? Do animals have souls?

[The GAmeTopians]

Explain how there are trees older than the flood of Gilgamesh then?

The trees grew multiple rings annually.

Really now. Tha contradicts science. And science is actually true because reality says so.

[Ashihara no Nakatsukuni]

The trees grew multiple rings annually.

Yet didn't everything on land die during the flood you believe happened?

They were spared to test you.

[Kincoboh]

I believe that the native's idea of animism is probably more true than the Christian anthropocentric idea.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

The trees grew multiple rings annually.

Yet didn't everything on land die during the flood you believe happened?

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

[Skinia]

Humans are biologically animals and there is no scientific evidence for a soul. /thread

[Kelinfort]

Yet didn't everything on land die during the flood you believe happened?

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

The pressure of the water and the salinity would kill them.

[Ashihara no Nakatsukuni]

Yet didn't everything on land die during the flood you believe happened?

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

Even if the seeds were taken upon the Ark, how would the rings of the trees we studied still exist?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I believe that the native's idea of animism is probably more true than the Christian anthropocentric idea.

...

Fuck it, I'm going to start a Roman Pagan cult.

[Scomagia]

Yet didn't everything on land die during the flood you believe happened?

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

No reason to believe they died except for the scientific evidence that, in that scenario, they would have died.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

Yet didn't everything on land die during the flood you believe happened?

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

Most tree will die once submerged for a prolonged period of time, look at any damming project. If Noah was to take all the seeds from all the trees, he'd need a catamaran ark instead,

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

Even if the seeds were taken upon the Ark, how would the rings of the trees we studied still exist?

They've done a study on that matter at the Creation Museum, if you're interested.

https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/ ... the-flood/

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

Even if the seeds were taken upon the Ark, how would the rings of the trees we studied still exist?

Jesus Christ himself grew those trees and when he touched them they MAGICALLY became 1000+ Years older than the flood! It was the work of CHRIST ALMIGHTY. SCIENCE IS THE DEVIL.

[Benuty]

Even if the seeds were taken upon the Ark, how would the rings of the trees we studied still exist?

They've done a study on that matter at the Creation Museum, if you're interested.

https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/ ... the-flood/

[Soldati Senza Confini]

The trees grew multiple rings annually.

Really now. Tha contradicts science. And science is actually true because reality says so. scientists study nature and are accurate with their data

ftfy

[Marxist-Leninist Germany]

No such thing as a soul, machines have "soul", animals (humans included) do not

Except Isaac Hayes. He has soul.

To answer the first part yes of course we are. What else would we be? Plants? Fungi?

To the second, souls do not exist thus they do not.

[Archeuland and Baughistan]

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

The pressure of the water and the salinity would kill them.

https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/how-did-plants-survive-the-flood/

Feelin’ salty?!

Something else to be addressed is the ocean’s salinity. Current estimates put it at an average of 35 ppt (parts per thousand; i.e., 35 grams of salt per 1,000 grams of water), whereas freshwater is less than 0.5 ppt. Skeptics assume that it has taken millions and billions of years for the ocean to become this salty based on current rates. They presume the current salinity to be about the same as at the time of the Flood, since it happened around 4,400 years ago. But this is an unfounded assumption as Dr. Russell Humphreys has pointed out,

Every year, rivers and other sources dump over 450 million tons of sodium into the ocean. Only 27% of this sodium manages to get back out of the sea each year. As far as anyone knows, the remainder simply accumulates in the ocean. If the sea had no sodium to start with, it would have accumulated its present amount in less than 42 million years at today’s input and output rates. This is much less than the evolutionary age of the ocean, three billion years (emphasis original).2

There is more than one feasible scenario for the salinity of the ocean, but what follows is the most likely. First, it is possible that the water had salinity similar to that of freshwater before the Flood. Second, it is possible there was a lower salt concentration, similar to brackish water (0.5-30 ppt), during most of the Flood, and that the current salinity is a result of floodwater runoff from the continents, volcanism, and current deposition from rain and rivers. It is not likely the salinity was roughly the same during the inundation stages of the Flood as it is now. But even if it was, it would still not have been a problem for plants to survive. The main point is that skeptics cannot arbitrarily assume the floodwater salinity, since they were not there to measure it. Remember, the ultimate goal of most skeptics is to undermine the Scriptures. So the possibility is left open that the salinity of the floodwaters could have been much less than the ocean’s current salinity.

[Kincoboh]

Yet didn't everything on land die during the flood you believe happened?

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

Gosh, I feel like being a Christian fundamentalist must be so fucking boring, as you already know everything.

[The GAmeTopians]

Really now. Tha contradicts science. And science is actually true because reality says so. scientists study nature and are accurate with their data

ftfy

Both. What I had worked better with the "because the bible is right" theme I'd seen earlier.

[Kelinfort]

The pressure of the water and the salinity would kill them.

Feelin’ salty?!

Something else to be addressed is the ocean’s salinity. Current estimates put it at an average of 35 ppt (parts per thousand; i.e., 35 grams of salt per 1,000 grams of water), whereas freshwater is less than 0.5 ppt. Skeptics assume that it has taken millions and billions of years for the ocean to become this salty based on current rates. They presume the current salinity to be about the same as at the time of the Flood, since it happened around 4,400 years ago. But this is an unfounded assumption as Dr. Russell Humphreys has pointed out,

Every year, rivers and other sources dump over 450 million tons of sodium into the ocean. Only 27% of this sodium manages to get back out of the sea each year. As far as anyone knows, the remainder simply accumulates in the ocean. If the sea had no sodium to start with, it would have accumulated its present amount in less than 42 million years at today’s input and output rates. This is much less than the evolutionary age of the ocean, three billion years (emphasis original).2

There is more than one feasible scenario for the salinity of the ocean, but what follows is the most likely. First, it is possible that the water had salinity similar to that of freshwater before the Flood. Second, it is possible there was a lower salt concentration, similar to brackish water (0.5-30 ppt), during most of the Flood, and that the current salinity is a result of floodwater runoff from the continents, volcanism, and current deposition from rain and rivers. It is not likely the salinity was roughly the same during the inundation stages of the Flood as it is now. But even if it was, it would still not have been a problem for plants to survive. The main point is that skeptics cannot arbitrarily assume the floodwater salinity, since they were not there to measure it. Remember, the ultimate goal of most skeptics is to undermine the Scriptures. So the possibility is left open that the salinity of the floodwaters could have been much less than the ocean’s current salinity.

Sodium isn't the only salt in the ocean. In fact, it's more magnesium chloride, Potassium salts, and a few others. So dishonest you can see it FROM SPACE.

Besides, the pressure would've killed the trees. Face it, you're resorting to magic.

[Marxist-Leninist Germany]

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

Gosh, I feel like being a Christian fundamentalist must be so fucking boring, as you already know everything.

Indeed. I mean why does he waste any time "debating' when clearly he already knows everything?

[Saint Kitten]

We don't know what happened to the trees, but there is no reason to assume that they all died. Or, perhaps the seeds of trees were taken aboard the Ark.

Gosh, I feel like being a Christian fundamentalist must be so fucking boring, as you already know everything.

That's mainly because they are afraid of the unknown

[Olerand]

Even if the seeds were taken upon the Ark, how would the rings of the trees we studied still exist?

Jesus Christ himself grew those trees and when he touched them they MAGICALLY became 1000+ Years older than the flood! It was the work of CHRIST ALMIGHTY. SCIENCE IS THE DEVIL.

+1000

[KAS SRD]

Humans are animals, at least scientifically. You could argue that we are senior to other animals in ways, but "animal" is a common term for members of the Kingdom animalia, and were in said kingdom, so were animals. As for souls, yes, yes they do.

[Dewhurst-Narculis]

Even if the seeds were taken upon the Ark, how would the rings of the trees we studied still exist?

They've done a study on that matter at the Creation Museum, if you're interested.

https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/ ... the-flood/

They can't even argue the point without essentially conceding evolution in part has happened, AiG is about as serious a source as The Room is a good film

[Marxist-Leninist Germany]

They've done a study on that matter at the Creation Museum, if you're interested.

https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/ ... the-flood/

They can't even argue the point without essentially conceding evolution in part has happened, AiG is about as serious a source as The Room is a good film

Depends on your definition of good.

I have still never been more entertained by cinema.