How the heck did Hitler come to power?

[Sanctissima]

European history is full of Christians butchering Christians. It's depressingly common, actually. To make matters even less savoury, every single military vehicle of the nazi warmachine was decorated with the Balkenkreuz, a symbol directly derived from the Christian cross.

I say again. Despite proclaiming that he was a Christian up until 1933, there is little doubt that Hitler was an atheist (albeit an extremist one). In private, (and later, in public) he openly mocked all religions. As well as this, Eugenics is a atheistic theory which he applied at the later part of his dictatorship.

Many leading academics would agree. Dr Ian Kershaw, authour of the standard book on Hitler, which is called simply Hitler, acknowledges this, and there are several examples given in his book. I urge you to check it out, before you critique me.

I'd disagree.

He certainly wasn't your conventional Christian, but Hitler did have this occultist thing going on for him, as did most upper tier Nazis. He was an ardent supporter of old Thule society doctrines, and somewhat skewed this in with his National Socialist policies and whatnot.

If anything, he had Neo-Germanic Paganism religious belief of sorts.

[Orangeinton]

Hitler came to power by deceiving the German public. Hitler believed the German people had lost the Great War(WWI) because of the Jews, who "supposedly" did not support the German Crown and People through out the war. Thus would lead to the creation of the Nazi party, a group founded by Hitler, in which according to him, the Germans were the "master race." This of course, was considered patriotic and noble, though, not all of Germany was convinced.

[-Shie-]

I'm busier than you, that's why I don't look it up. Hitler was claimed to be the handsome face of his time as a candidate. I can justify any argument I made today with logic and evidence and I have done it. The same better be done for me or you're wasting my time and your time.

This line of thought is getting suspiciously euphoric.

Anyway, the burden of proof is actually on you to do research on this, since you challenge the assertion made.

Notice hitler's long narrow skull.

He lacked a chin, not due to micrognathia (he lacked a chin but his lower jaw was functional).

Notice the distance between his cheekbones, the middle of his brow, and his upper lip. This is called FWHR. Facial-width-to height-ratio.

His facial-with-to height-ratio was low incredibly low unlike Ludendorph's whose skull wasn't so long.

Compare/Contrast

Low Ratio vs High Ratio faces.


Hitler's face had a very low FWHR.

Meaning: He lacked testosterone.

http://www.larspenke.eu/pdfs/Lefevre_Lewis_Perrett_Penke_in_press_-_fWHR_and_reactive_T.pdf

Therefore, Adolf Hitler wasn't very sexually appealing.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/27/t ... -immunity/

Turns out, the most highly rated men were those with stronger immune responses and higher levels of testosterone. “The more antibodies a man produces in response to a vaccine, the more attractive his face,” Fhionna Moore, co-author of the study and a psychologist at Abertay University, told Cosmos magazine.

http://www.strangehistory.net/2013/02/03/hitlers-bizarre-sex-life/
Hitler also had a terrible sex life.

[Hurdegaryp]

European history is full of Christians butchering Christians. It's depressingly common, actually. To make matters even less savoury, every single military vehicle of the nazi warmachine was decorated with the Balkenkreuz, a symbol directly derived from the Christian cross.

I say again. Despite proclaiming that he was a Christian up until 1933, there is little doubt that Hitler was an atheist (albeit an extremist one). In private, (and later, in public) he openly mocked all religions. As well as this, Eugenics is a atheistic theory which he applied at the later part of his dictatorship.

Many leading academics would agree. Dr Ian Kershaw, authour of the standard book on Hitler, which is called simply Hitler, acknowledges this, and there are several examples given in his book. I urge you to check it out, before you critique me.

It turns out there's a whole page on Wikipedia dedicated to the religious views of Adolf Hitler. Interesting material.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Indeed. He used the promises of socialism.

However, what he did was pretty much capitalistic and fascist.

Capitalism and fascism are incompatible. What Hitler did was not capitalistic or fascist, just because you don't like capitalism or fascism doesn't mean everything "bad' is automatically fascist or capitalist. Hitler's economy was a strange cross between socialism, fascism, and FDR's New Deal.

I mean I love Capitalism. Seems odd you think I'm using it as an insult.

However, his foreign policy by making irredentist German claims and using the state's government apparatus to consolidate massive amounts of power is one of the political facets of fascism in politics.

Capitalistic is mostly because he improved the economy of the nation via privatization, which goes against Socialistic policies of public control of the economy and nationalization.

[Salus Maior]

Frankly, I don't see why the antisemitism of Hitler's Germany has to be connected to whether he was religious or irreligious. It was more of an issue of "Germanic-ness", if it were a matter of Christianity, the Germans would not have slaughtered Slavs (who are a Christian people for the most part).

European history is full of Christians butchering Christians. It's depressingly common, actually. To make matters even less savoury, every single military vehicle of the nazi warmachine was decorated with the Balkenkreuz, a symbol directly derived from the Christian cross.

You've missed my point. My point is that Hitler's goals were based on a secular (and nonsensical) idea of racial purity, not any kind of religious (or outright athiestic) movement or motivation.

Also, the Balkenkreuz's origins go way before Nazi Germany, to Germany's founder nation, Prussia, which was also the military powerhouse.

If you don't believe me, check out the caps of these Prussian Landwehr of the Napoleonic era: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_6Ce9ktngwdQ/T ... ssia53.jpg

In fact, the Bundeswehr (Federal German Army) STILL uses that symbol: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundeswehr

[Orangeinton]

I say again. Despite proclaiming that he was a Christian up until 1933, there is little doubt that Hitler was an atheist (albeit an extremist one). In private, (and later, in public) he openly mocked all religions. As well as this, Eugenics is a atheistic theory which he applied at the later part of his dictatorship.

Many leading academics would agree. Dr Ian Kershaw, authour of the standard book on Hitler, which is called simply Hitler, acknowledges this, and there are several examples given in his book. I urge you to check it out, before you critique me.

I'd disagree.

He certainly wasn't your conventional Christian, but Hitler did have this occultist thing going on for him, as did most upper tier Nazis. He was an ardent supporter of old Thule society doctrines, and somewhat skewed this in with his National Socialist policies and whatnot.

If anything, he had Neo-Germanic Paganism religious belief of sorts.

In technical terms, Hitler was for throwing out religion. But I agree with you, as so, there is not much evidence of him ever being a Christian. Hitler believed that religion deceived and that he needed to throw it out. This was done so a bit before the "Final Solution."

[Schneidern empire]

Precisely, the NSDAP's excessive anti-semitism actually alienated many citizens more than it won them over.

We may be drifting from the topic, but if you would like to link or TG me some information regarding that alienation of the citizenry due to excessive antisemitism, I would read it it gusto.

The sad truth is that many people wanted a scapegoat, and didn't care, so long as it wasn't in their face (like Kristallnacht). Many people failed to hear of the death camps, or dismissed it as enemy propaganda. It doesn't lessen the utter tragedy it was, but it is wrong to say that most Germans supported the holocaust.

[Orangeinton]

Do any of you assume that Hitler was mentally ill?

[-Shie-]

Do any of you assume that Hitler was mentally ill?

See the previous studies I provided earlier.

[Neo Rome Republic]

Capitalism and fascism are incompatible. What Hitler did was not capitalistic or fascist, just because you don't like capitalism or fascism doesn't mean everything "bad' is automatically fascist or capitalist. Hitler's economy was a strange cross between socialism, fascism, and FDR's New Deal.

I mean I love Capitalism. Seems odd you think I'm using it as an insult.

However, his foreign policy by making irredentist German claims and using the state's government apparatus to consolidate massive amounts of power is one of the political facets of fascism in politics.

Capitalistic is mostly because he improved the economy of the nation via privatization, which goes against Socialistic policies of public control of the economy and nationalization.

This Privatization doesn't really mean much in terms of the Germany economy being Free-Market Capitalist. In the sense that the Market wasn't "Free". Nazis did exert a lot of regulatory and directive power over the economy. Reducing many store owners to the role of "shop keepers". It doesn't always matter who owns the economy, but who controls it. It's been described as having a mix of central planning and market economy. Being between the US and the USSR.

[Confederate Ramenia]

I mean I love Capitalism. Seems odd you think I'm using it as an insult.

However, his foreign policy by making irredentist German claims and using the state's government apparatus to consolidate massive amounts of power is one of the political facets of fascism in politics.

Capitalistic is mostly because he improved the economy of the nation via privatization, which goes against Socialistic policies of public control of the economy and nationalization.

Fascism is a very specific ideology, Hitler had aspects of fascism, but he wasn't full fascist. He also wasn't full capitalist with all the government funding of things.

[Fortschritte]

An economic recession caused growing nationalism, anti semitism, and other awful ideologies to rise rapidly in Europe. People turned to radical ideologues to address their irrational fears.

It seems to be happening again in Europe. With the rise of the Far-Right going on over there.

I suppose one could make a few comparisons, but the rise of the right wing populists in Europe is dying down, and will continue to die down as the recession diminishes.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This line of thought is getting suspiciously euphoric.

Anyway, the burden of proof is actually on you to do research on this, since you challenge the assertion made.

Notice hitler's long narrow skull.

He lacked a chin, not due to micrognathia (he lacked a chin but his lower jaw was functional).

Notice the distance between his cheekbones, the middle of his brow, and his upper lip. This is called FWHR. Facial-width-to height-ratio.

His facial-with-to height-ratio was low incredibly low unlike Ludendorph's whose skull wasn't so long.

Compare/Contrast

Low Ratio vs High Ratio faces.


Hitler's face had a very low FWHR.

Meaning: He lacked testosterone.

http://www.larspenke.eu/pdfs/Lefevre_Lewis_Perrett_Penke_in_press_-_fWHR_and_reactive_T.pdf

Therefore, Adolf Hitler wasn't very sexually appealing.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/27/t ... -immunity/

Turns out, the most highly rated men were those with stronger immune responses and higher levels of testosterone. “The more antibodies a man produces in response to a vaccine, the more attractive his face,” Fhionna Moore, co-author of the study and a psychologist at Abertay University, told Cosmos magazine.

http://www.strangehistory.net/2013/02/03/hitlers-bizarre-sex-life/
Hitler also had a terrible sex life.

This is ridiculous. Why is it that you always have to make it about how much testosterone a man has that dictates their sexual life?

[Olthar]

He was elected.

[Mavorpen]

(Image)

Notice hitler's long narrow skull.

He lacked a chin, not due to micrognathia (he lacked a chin but his lower jaw was functional).

Notice the distance between his cheekbones, the middle of his brow, and his upper lip. This is called FWHR. Facial-width-to height-ratio.

His facial-with-to height-ratio was low incredibly low unlike Ludendorph's whose skull wasn't so long.

Compare/Contrast

Low Ratio vs High Ratio faces.

(Image)

Hitler's face had a very low FWHR.

Meaning: He lacked testosterone.

http://www.larspenke.eu/pdfs/Lefevre_Lewis_Perrett_Penke_in_press_-_fWHR_and_reactive_T.pdf

Therefore, Adolf Hitler wasn't very sexually appealing.

http://healthland.time.com/2012/02/27/t ... -immunity/


http://www.strangehistory.net/2013/02/03/hitlers-bizarre-sex-life/
Hitler also had a terrible sex life.

This is ridiculous. Why is it that you always have to make it about how much testosterone a man has that dictates their sexual life?

Because we entertain him with responses. That should probably not be done.

[New DeCapito]

He used Germany's then democratic system to get elected by the people, then effectively outlawed democracy, making a one-party state.
He achieved this by taking advantage of people's fear of Communism and Jews, and by appearing to be a good leader.
(Fun fact: He once tried to gain power by force, but was arrested)

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I mean I love Capitalism. Seems odd you think I'm using it as an insult.

However, his foreign policy by making irredentist German claims and using the state's government apparatus to consolidate massive amounts of power is one of the political facets of fascism in politics.

Capitalistic is mostly because he improved the economy of the nation via privatization, which goes against Socialistic policies of public control of the economy and nationalization.

Fascism is a very specific ideology, Hitler had aspects of fascism, but he wasn't full fascist. He also wasn't full capitalist with all the government funding of things.

Oh no, I wasn't making the claim Hitler was a fascist or a capitalist hard-liner. However, I can't be denied some of his views align with Fascism and Capitalism and Socialist is not what I would call him given his decisions on economics and geopolitics.

[Schneidern empire]

I say again. Despite proclaiming that he was a Christian up until 1933, there is little doubt that Hitler was an atheist (albeit an extremist one). In private, (and later, in public) he openly mocked all religions. As well as this, Eugenics is a atheistic theory which he applied at the later part of his dictatorship.

Many leading academics would agree. Dr Ian Kershaw, authour of the standard book on Hitler, which is called simply Hitler, acknowledges this, and there are several examples given in his book. I urge you to check it out, before you critique me.

It turns out there's a whole page on Wikipedia dedicated to the religious views of Adolf Hitler. Interesting material.

Thank you for that. It makes a few points, but in the majority, it agrees with my views on it. Did you read the tag for "Social-Darwinism". Fascinating stuff.

[Rutannia]

Hitler used a mix of propaganda, economics and scaremongering. He played on the growing anti-Semitism and the growing threat of Communists. He used situations to his advantage e.g. the death of Hindenburg which allowed him to merge the position of Chancellorship and Presidency. He used the Reichstag fire to pass the Enabling Act which effectively banned opposition and nationalised the media.

[Neo Rome Republic]

I mean I love Capitalism. Seems odd you think I'm using it as an insult.

However, his foreign policy by making irredentist German claims and using the state's government apparatus to consolidate massive amounts of power is one of the political facets of fascism in politics.

Capitalistic is mostly because he improved the economy of the nation via privatization, which goes against Socialistic policies of public control of the economy and nationalization.

Fascism is a very specific ideology, Hitler had aspects of fascism, but he wasn't full fascist. He also wasn't full capitalist with all the government funding of things.

Yes he was. Nazism is variant of Fascism. All ideologies have certain variant, Nazism is one of Fascism's variant.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I mean I love Capitalism. Seems odd you think I'm using it as an insult.

However, his foreign policy by making irredentist German claims and using the state's government apparatus to consolidate massive amounts of power is one of the political facets of fascism in politics.

Capitalistic is mostly because he improved the economy of the nation via privatization, which goes against Socialistic policies of public control of the economy and nationalization.

This Privatization doesn't really mean much in terms of the Germany economy being Free-Market Capitalist. In the sense that the Market wasn't "Free". Nazis did exert a lot of regulatory and directive power over the economy. Reducing many store owners to the role of "shop keepers". It doesn't always matter who owns the economy, but who controls it. It's been described as having a mix of central planning and market economy. Being between the US and the USSR.

I think the proper term for his branch of economic decisions would be more along the lines of State Capitalism. But I'm not sure.

[Neo Rome Republic]

This Privatization doesn't really mean much in terms of the Germany economy being Free-Market Capitalist. In the sense that the Market wasn't "Free". Nazis did exert a lot of regulatory and directive power over the economy. Reducing many store owners to the role of "shop keepers". It doesn't always matter who owns the economy, but who controls it. It's been described as having a mix of central planning and market economy. Being between the US and the USSR.

I think the proper term for his branch of economic decisions would be more along the lines of State Capitalism. But I'm not sure.

Dirigisme could also be a way to describe it.

[Schneidern empire]

Do any of you assume that Hitler was mentally ill?

He may have had megalomania, and towards the end of his life, he was on many drugs and medications, some of which were quite wacky. But it's generally accepted that he was capable of decisive thought, and rationale. So, maybe a little crazy (who isn't?) but not very much at all.

[Stahn]

He was very persuasive.
Especially for those that did not know him well. He also was a very good debater and knew how to get people on his side.

He also was pretty smart in general.

And it was just the right time for him. The German masses wanted desperately to regain some national pride and he was able to give it to him.

But for all his skills and talents it were the powers that be that put him on the throne. The rise of communism was what they most feared and they thought that they could control this radical nationalst and his bullies once they were in power.

And they were wrong. Although the Nazi's did get along pretty well with the industrialists of the nation (as long as they were "of the right blood") but Hitler and his Nazi's were not on anyone's strings as some thought they would be.