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Should atheism be illegal?

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Postby Bunkeranlage » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:03 am

As much as I'd like to say yes, I'll have to go with no. People should have the right to believe what they want, even if I think it's wrong.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:03 am

Artaeon wrote:
Sahrani South wrote:Only Christians realize that murder is bad: Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.”

This proves your ignorance. The ten commandments were originally a Jewish thing. Furthermore pretty much every religion says that murder is bad.

This thread is just so bad.


It is far more scary to contemplate that for some people the sole reason to say "murder is bad" is that it is mentioned in the Bible.
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Vox populi est autem Vox de Humus
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Postby Vox populi est autem Vox de Humus » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:03 am

ban a belief :O that rational suggests ban on christianity etc also does it not :rofl:

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Postby Immoren » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:03 am

Artaeon wrote:
Sahrani South wrote:Only Christians realize that murder is bad: Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.”

This proves your ignorance. The ten commandments were originally a Jewish thing. Furthermore pretty much every religion says that murder is bad.

This thread is just so bad.


And it's not like their faith/theology too hasn't evolved from those days too-

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:04 am

Meridiani Planum wrote:
Every Christian knows Atheists have no morals because they think they can ignore God’s Holy Bible.

I'm guessing that you are really an atheist posing as an extreme Christian for the purpose of parody or trolling. Your stated views are extreme even for the majority of Christians.

It's a win-win situation for him, for he not only offends atheists with his lies, but also pretty much all Christians who are not hysterical fundamentalists.
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Postby Socialist Tera » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:05 am

How can you enforce religious belief? It is impossible, people do lie. What's going to stop an atheist from pretending to be religious?
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:05 am

Socialist Tera wrote:How can you enforce religious belief? It is impossible, people do lie. What's going to stop an atheist from pretending to be religious?


Nonono, not religious - christian. Everything else is just atheism as well after all ;)
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:07 am

Ah, the morning entertainment has begun.
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Postby Sahrani South » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:08 am

There can be no morals without faith in god, so all atheists are potentially bad persons, while Christians know that there will be judgeent even after that and so do charity and are nice persons.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:09 am

Reddogkeno101 wrote:Oh... You know what I've posted rebuttal against this kind of stuff so many times now that I'll just leave it to the new kids on the block.


Ja. After awhile you just have to sit back, and watch the show. :D
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Postby Arab Jamahiriyahs » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:10 am

Sahrani South wrote:There can be no morals without faith in god, so all atheists are potentially bad persons, while Christians know that there will be judgeent even after that and so do charity and are nice persons.

PLEEEEEZE, PROOF
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:10 am

Sahrani South wrote:There can be no morals without faith in god, so all atheists are potentially bad persons, while Christians know that there will be judgeent even after that and so do charity and are nice persons.


My morals are superior to yours: I do not try to force my beliefs on others.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:11 am

Sahrani South wrote:There can be no morals without faith in god, so all atheists are potentially bad persons, while Christians know that there will be judgeent even after that and so do charity and are nice persons.


From which it logically follows that the sole reason christians are not massmurdering childraping thieves is that they fear the watchful eye of god - not because there is something inside them that tells them it is bad.

Scarrrryyyy.
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Vox populi est autem Vox de Humus
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Postby Vox populi est autem Vox de Humus » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:11 am

is it not fact that unless you are a born again christian that you will not pass through the gate of heaven and on that basis a non born again christians would effectively be an atheist :?:

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Postby Western Borderlands » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:13 am

Sahrani South wrote:There can be no morals without faith in god, so all atheists are potentially bad persons, while Christians know that there will be judgeent even after that and so do charity and are nice persons.

There definitely can be morals without faith in a deity, just ask atheists.
Christains know that there will be judgement how? also to just be charitable so that you can get into heaven seems very superficial.
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Postby Bythyrona » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:13 am

Sahrani South wrote:There can be no morals without faith in god, so all atheists are potentially bad persons, while Christians know that there will be judgeent even after that and so do charity and are nice persons.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:14 am

Meridiani Planum wrote:
Sahrani South wrote:I seriously think these atheists should read the Bible!


That's a large part of the reason why I am an atheist.



Same here. I have read the bible several times in fact. Still not a believer.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:15 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Socialist Tera wrote:How can you enforce religious belief? It is impossible, people do lie. What's going to stop an atheist from pretending to be religious?

Nonono, not religious - christian. Everything else is just atheism as well after all ;)

Everyone is actually pretty much an atheist, when you think about it. To quote Ricky Gervais:

Since the beginning of recorded history, which is defined by the invention of writing by the Sumerians around 6000 years ago, historians have catalogued over 3700 supernatural beings, of which 2870 can be considered deities. So next time someone tells me they believe in God, I'll say 'Oh, which one? Zeus? Hades? Jupiter? Mars? Odin? Thor? Krishna? Vishnu? Ra ... ?' If they say, 'Just God. I only believe in the one God.', I'll point out that they are nearly as atheistic as me. I don't believe in 2870 gods, and they don't believe in 2869.
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Postby Arab Jamahiriyahs » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:20 am

BTW, what is your opinion of the word "moral"?
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Postby Cetacea » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:23 am

Artaeon wrote:
Sahrani South wrote:Only Christians realize that murder is bad: Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.”

This proves your ignorance. The ten commandments were originally a Jewish thing. Furthermore pretty much every religion says that murder is bad.

This thread is just so bad.


aaaah but thats were the Jews have been misguided, for you see Melchezedek the Priest of the Most High who baptised Abraham was a follower of the Christ, the promised messiah whom all of the books of the OT foretell. The Levite and Aaronic Priesthoods of the Jews only tell a part of the story - Melchezedek tells the rest and is fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.

At least thats one theory which I might ascribe to if I weren't a Panentheist 'pagan'

I note that there has not been any rational refuting of OP - albeit that OP is slightly irrational in its presentation. I also find that Atheist arguments tend to be "I don't like religion therefore there is no god" and "you beleive in god because you're stoopid foolz drools" and not to mention the "I don't have to prove what I beleive I don't beleive in "

I'm yet to hear any legitimate effort

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Postby Bythyrona » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:27 am

Cetacea wrote:
Artaeon wrote:This proves your ignorance. The ten commandments were originally a Jewish thing. Furthermore pretty much every religion says that murder is bad.

This thread is just so bad.


aaaah but thats were the Jews have been misguided, for you see Melchezedek the Priest of the Most High who baptised Abraham was a follower of the Christ, the promised messiah whom all of the books of the OT foretell. The Levite and Aaronic Priesthoods of the Jews only tell a part of the story - Melchezedek tells the rest and is fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.

At least thats one theory which I might ascribe to if I weren't a Panentheist 'pagan'

I note that there has not been any rational refuting of OP - albeit that OP is slightly irrational in its presentation. I also find that Atheist arguments tend to be "I don't like religion therefore there is no god" and "you beleive in god because you're stoopid foolz drools" and not to mention the "I don't have to prove what I beleive I don't beleive in "

I'm yet to hear any legitimate effort

For fuck's sake. No one should have to waste time to debunk an OP that's completely devoid of any support, evidence, or even simple argumentation. It's barely F7 quality.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:29 am

Cetacea wrote:
Artaeon wrote:This proves your ignorance. The ten commandments were originally a Jewish thing. Furthermore pretty much every religion says that murder is bad.

This thread is just so bad.


aaaah but thats were the Jews have been misguided, for you see Melchezedek the Priest of the Most High who baptised Abraham was a follower of the Christ, the promised messiah whom all of the books of the OT foretell. The Levite and Aaronic Priesthoods of the Jews only tell a part of the story - Melchezedek tells the rest and is fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.

At least thats one theory which I might ascribe to if I weren't a Panentheist 'pagan'

I note that there has not been any rational refuting of OP - albeit that OP is slightly irrational in its presentation. I also find that Atheist arguments tend to be "I don't like religion therefore there is no god" and "you beleive in god because you're stoopid foolz drools" and not to mention the "I don't have to prove what I beleive I don't beleive in "

I'm yet to hear any legitimate effort


Technically we are still waiting for the OP to clarify some of his claims first.

Like the phrase "Every Christian knows Atheists have no morals because they think they can ignore God’s Holy Bible." Does that mean that whenever a christian walks on the street and sees a child with a lolly they think something like "HAH ! I AM SO GONNA MURDER THAT CHILD TO STEAL ITS CANDY AND THEN RAPE HIS MOTHER AND... oh no wait, God would not like that, so I'd better not." ? I am genuinely fascinated by this claim.
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Postby Indira » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:30 am

Sahrani South wrote:There can be no morals without faith in god, so all atheists are potentially bad persons, while Christians know that there will be judgeent even after that and so do charity and are nice persons.


As demonstrated by these nice people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_or ... ate_groups Morals exist as a HUMAN thing. You really don't need God to be moral. Or rather, if you do, that suggests that there is something VERY wrong with your ability to make judgements.I'll leave you with a nice little quote that I believe appropriately describes this position.

When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:34 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
Cetacea wrote:
aaaah but thats were the Jews have been misguided, for you see Melchezedek the Priest of the Most High who baptised Abraham was a follower of the Christ, the promised messiah whom all of the books of the OT foretell. The Levite and Aaronic Priesthoods of the Jews only tell a part of the story - Melchezedek tells the rest and is fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ.

At least thats one theory which I might ascribe to if I weren't a Panentheist 'pagan'

I note that there has not been any rational refuting of OP - albeit that OP is slightly irrational in its presentation. I also find that Atheist arguments tend to be "I don't like religion therefore there is no god" and "you beleive in god because you're stoopid foolz drools" and not to mention the "I don't have to prove what I beleive I don't beleive in "

I'm yet to hear any legitimate effort


Technically we are still waiting for the OP to clarify some of his claims first.

Like the phrase "Every Christian knows Atheists have no morals because they think they can ignore God’s Holy Bible." Does that mean that whenever a christian walks on the street and sees a child with a lolly they think something like "HAH ! I AM SO GONNA MURDER THAT CHILD TO STEAL ITS CANDY AND THEN RAPE HIS MOTHER AND... oh no wait, God would not like that, so I'd better not." ? I am genuinely fascinated by this claim.


My morals are not based on the fear of a greater (fictional) power, thus, once again, they are superior to the OPs.
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