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Should atheism be illegal?

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Sahrani South
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Postby Sahrani South » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:20 am

The majority of devout Christians would love to see atheism banned. If you don't believe in god, then read the bible.
Human rights are based on freedom of religion etc., which menas you can believe in god any way you want (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.) but you must believe. Freedom of religion does not mean no religion. USA even say "In God we trust" so to all Atheists: READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE!

Atheism has caused the ruin of this world by taking prayer out of schools and legalizing abortions and gay-marriage, being able to practice legally what can only be called evil. Atheism is the reason crime and war is so rampant.
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Postby Sanctissima » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:21 am

Lunalia wrote:
Shallia wrote:incorrect he remained catholic. it is wondered why considering he hated jews but he stayed catholic

Incorrect, but I'm honestly not sure what you'd call the religion that Hitler and the SS invented.


Hitler was Catholic, although he was never really what one might consider a practicing Catholic, that is to say, he didn't give much thought to the religion. However, as with most upper tier Nazis, he had this quirky kind of an occultist belief in old Norse fables: Germans riding winged horses, heil master race and whatnot. But, at any rate, he certainly was not an Atheist.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:21 am

Rapanatcha wrote:
Sahrani South wrote:Only Christians realize that murder is bad: Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.”

15:13 “That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death


Please explain if I don't understand but doesn't those two statement kind of contradict each other ? I mean you do not murder unless they don't agree with you then it's ok ?


That's easy - murder is unlawful killing.
God defines the law - so if He says killing is ok in circumstance X, it is not murder.
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Postby Independent State AF » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:21 am

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I have found my source now:

"Virtually all of the 55 writers and signers of the United States Constitution of 1787 were members of Christian denominations. 29 were Anglicans, 16 to 18 were Calvinists, 2 were Methodists, 2 were Lutherans, 2 were Roman Catholic, 1 changed between Anglican and Quaker, and one was Deist."

Page 154, America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations


Didn't you LITERALLY just get off a 7 day ban for threadjacking?
You seem awfully eager to get another one dont you? As said before, the topic is not the founding fathers and their religion, the topic is a ban of atheism.

EDIT: It boggles my mind that a mod hasn't come along and burned this thread with all sorts of red text yet.
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Postby Smoya » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:21 am

Sahrani South wrote:The majority of devout Christians would love to see atheism banned. If you don't believe in god, then read the bible.
Human rights are based on freedom of religion etc., which menas you can believe in god any way you want (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.) but you must believe. Freedom of religion does not mean no religion. USA even say "In God we trust" so to all Atheists: READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE!

Atheism has caused the ruin of this world by taking prayer out of schools and legalizing abortions and gay-marriage, being able to practice legally what can only be called evil. Atheism is the reason crime and war is so rampant.

Does it make me not a true Christian if I don't believe anything you just said?
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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:22 am

Aelex wrote:I don't think you know about the "Pari de Pascal"...
It can be quite interesting for ya... :p
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager


A delusion that Pascal came up with after he fell off a horse is not a compelling argument. Pascal should have stuck to maths. He was good at maths.
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Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby New Socialist South Africa » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:23 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
All Natural France wrote:Hitler was raised a catholic, but never defined as one real religion due to his materialistic desires and his dismissal of religion and insensitivity of religion.



Sooooo?.......Stalin and Hitler did what they did because of their assumed conversions to atheism?


Ya obviously. Hitler speaking publicly about destroying atheism was just a front to help hide the reality of his Atheist-Muslim-Satanist-Freemason-Illuminati-Nazi-Alien-Nigerian-Communist-Alein-Orwellian conspiracy to take over the world.
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Postby Archeuland and Baughistan » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:23 am

Independent State AF wrote:
Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I have found my source now:

"Virtually all of the 55 writers and signers of the United States Constitution of 1787 were members of Christian denominations. 29 were Anglicans, 16 to 18 were Calvinists, 2 were Methodists, 2 were Lutherans, 2 were Roman Catholic, 1 changed between Anglican and Quaker, and one was Deist."

Page 154, America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations


Didn't you LITERALLY just get off a 7 day ban for threadjacking?
You seem awfully eager to get another one dont you? As said before, the topic is not the founding fathers and their religion, the topic is a ban of atheism.

EDIT: It boggles my mind that a mod hasn't come along and burned this thread with all sorts of red text yet.


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Postby Aelex » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:23 am

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Or unless you picked the right faith, but the god in question is "not amused" by your worship "just for the shot at heaven".

It's a risk I'm willing to take... :p
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Postby All Natural France » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:24 am

The majority of devout Christians would love to see atheism banned.

Not my problem.
If you don't believe in god, then read the bible.

Irrelevant.
USA even say "In God we trust" so to all Atheists: READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE!

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Atheism has caused the ruin of this world by taking prayer out of schools and legalizing abortions and gay-marriage

That's a problem? DO we need to go back to the fucking dark ages, or do we need to all jump back to evolutionary standards where we become apes again?
AtheismReligion is *part of* the reason crime and war is so rampant.

Fixed.

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Postby The Black Forrest » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:24 am

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Sahrani South wrote:The majority of devout Christians would love to see atheism banned. If you don't believe in god, then read the bible.
Human rights are based on freedom of religion etc., which menas you can believe in god any way you want (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.) but you must believe. Freedom of religion does not mean no religion. USA even say "In God we trust" so to all Atheists: READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE!

Atheism has caused the ruin of this world by taking prayer out of schools and legalizing abortions and gay-marriage, being able to practice legally what can only be called evil. Atheism is the reason crime and war is so rampant.

Does it make me not a true Christian if I don't believe anything you just said?


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Postby Salandriagado » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:24 am

Sahrani South wrote:The majority of devout Christians would love to see atheism banned. If you don't believe in god, then read the bible.
Human rights are based on freedom of religion etc., which menas you can believe in god any way you want (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.) but you must believe. Freedom of religion does not mean no religion. USA even say "In God we trust" so to all Atheists: READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE!


I have read the bible. Almost certainly in a lot more detail than you have. And most of the other major religious texts as well. I'm yet to find one that isn't full of internal contradictions.

Atheism has caused the ruin of this world by taking prayer out of schools and legalizing abortions and gay-marriage, being able to practice legally what can only be called evil.


None of those things is in any way evil.

Atheism is the reason crime and war is so rampant.


By which you mean "less rampant than it has ever been at any point in the past"?
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Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

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Postby Rapanatcha » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:24 am

The Alma Mater wrote:
That's easy - murder is unlawful killing.
God defines the law - so if He says killing is ok in circumstance X, it is not murder.


RIGHT so according to someone you never saw or talked to if he say something you simply do it ? I mean most dictatorship work that way...

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Postby Eastern Equestria » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:24 am

Sahrani South wrote:The majority of devout Christians would love to see atheism banned. If you don't believe in god, then read the bible.
Human rights are based on freedom of religion etc., which menas you can believe in god any way you want (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.) but you must believe. Freedom of religion does not mean no religion. USA even say "In God we trust" so to all Atheists: READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE!

Atheism has caused the ruin of this world by taking prayer out of schools and legalizing abortions and gay-marriage, being able to practice legally what can only be called evil. Atheism is the reason crime and war is so rampant.


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Postby Lunalia » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:24 am

Sahrani South wrote:The majority of devout Christians would love to see atheism banned. If you don't believe in god, then read the bible.
Human rights are based on freedom of religion etc., which menas you can believe in god any way you want (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.) but you must believe. Freedom of religion does not mean no religion. USA even say "In God we trust" so to all Atheists: READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE!

Atheism has caused the ruin of this world by taking prayer out of schools and legalizing abortions and gay-marriage, being able to practice legally what can only be called evil. Atheism is the reason crime and war is so rampant.

I read the bible. Several times. It's disgusting. Even if that god existed, I wouldn't worship them.

Any deity that thinks Lot is wonderful, that thinks Abraham was wonderful.... ew.
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:25 am

Sahrani South wrote:The majority of devout Christians would love to see atheism banned. If you don't believe in god, then read the bible.
Human rights are based on freedom of religion etc., which menas you can believe in god any way you want (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.) but you must believe. Freedom of religion does not mean no religion. USA even say "In God we trust" so to all Atheists: READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE!

Atheism has caused the ruin of this world by taking prayer out of schools and legalizing abortions and gay-marriage, being able to practice legally what can only be called evil. Atheism is the reason crime and war is so rampant.


Christian here.

No, I don't want to see atheism banned. I don't pretend to be so fucking self-righteous and self-absorbed to believe that my faith has to be shoved up on other people's throats.

Wut? Giving rights to other people and taking away prayer out of schools because schools benefit from a secular environment isn't "the ruin of this world". That's pretty first-world problems.

Crime and war are rampant for many other reasons that have to do with geopolitics and socioeconomics. Your statement doesn't make any sense, and atheism is not responsible for them at all.
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Postby Imsogone » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:25 am

Archeuland and Baughistan wrote:I have found my source now:

"Virtually all of the 55 writers and signers of the United States Constitution of 1787 were members of Christian denominations. 29 were Anglicans, 16 to 18 were Calvinists, 2 were Methodists, 2 were Lutherans, 2 were Roman Catholic, 1 changed between Anglican and Quaker, and one was Deist."

Page 154, America's God and Country Encyclopedia of Quotations


The religions to which they belonged have no bearing on what they actually believed. I'm a baptized Catholic but that doesn't mean I believe in what the Church teaches, or even in a deity. Religious affiliation was a foregone conclusion in those days and did not mean what you seem to think it means. And in any case, just because you believe something, it doesn't mean you get to force me to believe it.
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Postby Atomic Utopia » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:26 am

Sahrani South wrote:The majority of devout Christians would love to see atheism banned. If you don't believe in god, then read the bible.
Human rights are based on freedom of religion etc., which menas you can believe in god any way you want (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.) but you must believe. Freedom of religion does not mean no religion. USA even say "In God we trust" so to all Atheists: READ THE HOLY SCRIPTURE!

Atheism has caused the ruin of this world by taking prayer out of schools and legalizing abortions and gay-marriage, being able to practice legally what can only be called evil. Atheism is the reason crime and war is so rampant.

And mass murder is never engaged in by theists. :roll:

Just look at the wars currently occurring in the middle east and the jihadists, are they suddenly good because they are not atheists?

Also, I have read the holy scripture, both the old and new testament to be precise. It is a load of contradictory bull to say the least.
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Postby Shallia » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:26 am

i just gonna say this before i leave. the bible is the worlds greatest storybook and guys....stories are fictional.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:27 am

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Skinia wrote:The lack of a belief is directly opposite to a belief.


The lack of a belief is the position of the agnostic, that there is no proof of the existence of God. The atheist, however,. has a belief that there is no God. The former says I do not know, a non-faith based stand; the latter says I know but cannot prove, which is faith.
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Postby All Natural France » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:27 am

Human rights are based on freedom of religion etc., which menas you can believe in god any way you want (Catholic, Baptist, Methodist etc.) but you must believe. Freedom of religion does not mean no religion.

Wrong. Human rights are, in fact, not based on religion, and you can believe in god if you wish to, which is what the freedom is all about.

Honestly, sometimes you can be blind to the world.

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Postby Braberbourg » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:27 am

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Postby Koopaville » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:28 am

I'm not taking this bait. Next time, try something relating to Ferguson or Islam.

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Postby All Natural France » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:28 am

Shallia wrote:i just gonna say this before i leave. the bible is the worlds greatest storybook and guys....stories are fictional.

Yes, because stories on how people camped out in fear of the Nazis, such example, are non-existant :roll:
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Postby Iradicea » Sun Dec 07, 2014 11:29 am

OP is obviously a troll. There is just no chance that he or she is so extremely daft like that.

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