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Postby Hurdegaryp » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:36 am

Indira wrote:
Sahrani South wrote:There can be no morals without faith in god, so all atheists are potentially bad persons, while Christians know that there will be judgeent even after that and so do charity and are nice persons.

As demonstrated by these nice people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_or ... ate_groups Morals exist as a HUMAN thing. You really don't need God to be moral. Or rather, if you do, that suggests that there is something VERY wrong with your ability to make judgements.I'll leave you with a nice little quote that I believe appropriately describes this position.

When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

1 Corinthians 13

Religion didn't create morals, those were already present when religion appropriated them and pretended to have received them from God or the Gods.
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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:36 am

Indira wrote:
Sahrani South wrote:There can be no morals without faith in god, so all atheists are potentially bad persons, while Christians know that there will be judgeent even after that and so do charity and are nice persons.


As demonstrated by these nice people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_or ... ate_groups Morals exist as a HUMAN thing. You really don't need God to be moral. Or rather, if you do, that suggests that there is something VERY wrong with your ability to make judgements.I'll leave you with a nice little quote that I believe appropriately describes this position.

When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

1 Corinthians 13


The whole god-concept likely grew out of out innate moral sense, not the other way around. We created the gods, not the other way around.
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Postby Indira » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:46 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Indira wrote:
As demonstrated by these nice people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_or ... ate_groups Morals exist as a HUMAN thing. You really don't need God to be moral. Or rather, if you do, that suggests that there is something VERY wrong with your ability to make judgements.I'll leave you with a nice little quote that I believe appropriately describes this position.

When I was a child, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a child. But when I grew up, I put away childish things.

1 Corinthians 13


The whole god-concept likely grew out of out innate moral sense, not the other way around. We created the gods, not the other way around.


Exactly my point. I was referring to the OP

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Postby Settrah » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:47 am

Sahrani South wrote:One of my friends came forward and told me he was an atheist. I asked him why he was an atheist and he said, "I prayed to God for help, but he never helped me." That's no reason to disbelieve in God. Do you atheists seriously think he will help you with everything. Creator put you on earth to fix your mistakes. He won't solve the problems you caused. And stop blaming him for taking away people you care about. It's not his fault you failed or lost someone.

Those who disbelieve in God are what I call 'clouded minds'. You don't realise you are one until you are freed from corruption. I know from experience. I was once a disbeliever and then came to realise that people are not educated on who God actually is and how religion and science can coexist.

Atheism should be banned because it is very wrong. I seriously think these atheists should read the Bible! I hate it when some kids these days say that they are atheist, it is absolutely WRONG.

Every Christian knows Atheists have no morals because they think they can ignore God’s Holy Bible. Some of them even deny the existence of Hell! They murder, steal and rape all the time as if there is no tomorrow. It is no coincidence that most criminals are Atheists. It is time to stop all this! It is a known fact that Atheists like nothing more but killing unborn children (abortion) and defenseless elders (euthanasia).

Christians know that life begins BEFORE conception: Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”

Only Christians realize that murder is bad: Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.”

There can be only one conclusion! Atheism has to be outlawed, just like the Bible tells us: 2nd Chronicles 15:13 “That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman”.


Great, sure, give the self persecuting atheists even more to whine about, by actively trying to silence them. Therefore creating the reality of which they fabricate, thus helping reinforce their victim complexes.

Brilliant.
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Postby Bolrieg » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:49 am

I feel really bad about the intelligent Christians out there, I'm sorry people keep thinking that you're anything like this idiot here.

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Postby Indira » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:50 am

Bolrieg wrote:I feel really bad about the intelligent Christians out there, I'm sorry people keep thinking that you're anything like this idiot here.


So do I actually, but on the plus side, the resulting discussion is pure comedy gold :rofl:

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Postby Bolrieg » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:53 am

Indira wrote:
Bolrieg wrote:I feel really bad about the intelligent Christians out there, I'm sorry people keep thinking that you're anything like this idiot here.


So do I actually, but on the plus side, the resulting discussion is pure comedy gold :rofl:

Of course maybe that was the intent.Deus vult?

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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:55 am

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I can tell...
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Postby Independent State AF » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:56 am

I filed a report, so it will be Deep Sixed the moment a mod sees it.
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Postby The Borderline Borderlands » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:56 am

Bolrieg wrote:I feel really bad about the intelligent Christians out there, I'm sorry people keep thinking that you're anything like this idiot here.


On the bright side, you have to be as batshit as the OP to think the majority of Christians are anything like the OP.

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Postby New Waterford » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:56 am

Oh dear.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:57 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Meridiani Planum wrote:I'm guessing that you are really an atheist posing as an extreme Christian for the purpose of parody or trolling. Your stated views are extreme even for the majority of Christians.

It's a win-win situation for him, for he not only offends atheists with his lies, but also pretty much all Christians who are not hysterical fundamentalists.


Pfft. I'm not offended nearly this easily.
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Postby Baltican Union » Sun Dec 07, 2014 6:58 am

The stupidity in that title.
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Postby Skinia » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:00 am

Sahrani South wrote:One of my friends came forward and told me he was an atheist. I asked him why he was an atheist and he said, "I prayed to God for help, but he never helped me." That's no reason to disbelieve in God. Do you atheists seriously think he will help you with everything1. Creator put you on earth to fix your mistakes. He won't solve the problems you caused2. And stop blaming him for taking away people you care about. It's not his fault you failed or lost someone3.

1. Well, He IS omnipotent, after all. Could he not help the mankind with its problems?

2. What about the problems we didn't cause, but someone else caused, like getting fired and thus losing a source of income? What about those who beat people up or steal their stuff? What about corrupt politicians who screw up the country they lead for their own personal gain?

3. According to the Bible, everything must be part of some grandiose plan God has for all of us. Numerous verses point it to be that way.

Sahrani South wrote:Those who disbelieve in God are what I call 'clouded minds'. You don't realise you are one until you are freed from corruption. I know from experience. I was once a disbeliever and then came to realise that people are not educated on who God actually is and how religion and science can coexist.

And those who believe in God are what I call delusional. If you want to play the namecalling game, go right ahead.

Sahrani South wrote:Atheism should be banned because it is very wrong. I seriously think these atheists should read the Bible! I hate it when some kids these days say that they are atheist, it is absolutely WRONG.

Atheism being wrong and you hating that 'kids these days' say that they're atheist is a matter of personal preference. Atheists and agnostics also know the Bible better than Christians. Source:
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/201 ... -religious
http://www.pewforum.org/2010/09/28/u-s- ... -religion/
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Society/20 ... s-that-bad

Sahrani South wrote:Every Christian knows Atheists have no morals because they think they can ignore God’s Holy Bible. Some of them even deny the existence of Hell! They murder, steal and rape all the time as if there is no tomorrow. It is no coincidence that most criminals are Atheists. It is time to stop all this! It is a known fact that Atheists like nothing more but killing unborn children (abortion) and defenseless elders (euthanasia).

Oh yeah, I remember that time when Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, PZ Myers, Matt Dillahunty, Stephen Hawking, Bill Maher, Penn Jillette and James Randi got in that huge gunfight, raped each other, stole each others money and in conclusion, killed each other. That was the day atheism destroyed itself, everyone else turned Christian and went to Heaven. The end.

Sahrani South wrote:Christians know that life begins BEFORE conception: Jeremiah 1:5 “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”

So? The fetus is still an invader inside a woman's womb and the woman has every right to deal with it as she pleases.

Sahrani South wrote:Only Christians realize that murder is bad: Exodus 20:13 “Thou shalt not kill.”

And yet the most murders have been committed by Christians for Christianity compared to murders for any other cause or religion by any of its members. In comparison, no murders have been committed for atheism. http://www.truthbeknown.com/victims.htm

Sahrani South wrote:There can be only one conclusion! Atheism has to be outlawed, just like the Bible tells us: 2nd Chronicles 15:13 “That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman”.

How about no. Also, how about you cut that fundie nonsense out. You're giving good Christians a bad name.
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Postby Wickedly evil people » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:03 am

it's no more ignorant that hate speech laws, marriage regulation, marijuana illegality, need I go on?


make it illegal, it'll make for hilarity in the courts, maybe keep the tree huggers from destroying the middle class and permanently ending upward mobility and opportunity. they'll be distracted at the insult to their animism
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Postby Fortschritte » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:03 am

OP, what do you propose we do to atheists? You want it banned, so what should the punishment for atheism be?
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Postby Skinia » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:04 am

Fortschritte wrote:OP, what do you propose we do to atheists? You want it banned, so what should the punishment for atheism be?

Death, obviously. That's what his book says.
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Postby Herrebrugh » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:04 am

Fortschritte wrote:OP, what do you propose we do to atheists? You want it banned, so what should the punishment for atheism be?


Keelhauling.
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Postby The Cobalt Sky » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:05 am

Fortschritte wrote:OP, what do you propose we do to atheists? You want it banned, so what should the punishment for atheism be?

Yeah. Also, how can you even tell if someone's an atheist? They could go to church like the rest of you, and fit in perfectly, but secretly not believe anything.
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Postby Baltican Union » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:07 am

Fortschritte wrote:OP, what do you propose we do to atheists? You want it banned, so what should the punishment for atheism be?


We should stone them with the scientists of curse.
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Postby SuperFruitland » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:10 am

Um...how about no.

As an atheist...you're wrong. About basically everything on that list. I'm an atheist because I felt that the idea of a God wasn't, well, good for my mental health. And I chose to become an atheist.

Leave me alone, thanks.

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Postby Skinia » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:12 am

SuperFruitLand wrote:Um...how about no.

As an atheist...you're wrong. About basically everything on that list. I'm an atheist because I felt that the idea of a God wasn't, well, good for my mental health. And I chose to become an atheist.

Leave me alone, thanks.

*begins totally legit Satan-worshipping ritual*

*sneaks away to grab popcorn*

Lemme join you there. *grabs a bag of babies and starts munching*
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:15 am

hehehehe... oh fuck..

Skinia wrote:
SuperFruitLand wrote:Um...how about no.

As an atheist...you're wrong. About basically everything on that list. I'm an atheist because I felt that the idea of a God wasn't, well, good for my mental health. And I chose to become an atheist.

Leave me alone, thanks.

*begins totally legit Satan-worshipping ritual*

*sneaks away to grab popcorn*

Lemme join you there. *grabs a bag of babies and starts munching*

Dont forget to satay them first, thats the best way to eat them *Nods*
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Postby SuperFruitland » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:16 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:hehehehe... oh fuck..

Skinia wrote:Lemme join you there. *grabs a bag of babies and starts munching*

Dont forget to satay them first, thats the best way to eat them *Nods*


Peanut sauce too, then? And chili? *nod*

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Dec 07, 2014 7:16 am

The Borderline Borderlands wrote:
Bolrieg wrote:I feel really bad about the intelligent Christians out there, I'm sorry people keep thinking that you're anything like this idiot here.


On the bright side, you have to be as batshit as the OP to think the majority of Christians are anything like the OP.


Or a US lawmaker.
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