by Solorni » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:00 pm
by Marxist-Leninist Germany » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:19 pm
Tears for Fears wrote:Everybody wants to rule the world
by Greater Weselton » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:19 pm
by Esternial » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:24 pm
Marxist-Leninist Germany wrote:Well perhaps partially, as homo sapiens are a social animal by nature, but there are other aspects of human nature that conflict with communistic tenants.
Greater Weselton wrote:Communism can't be a natural tendency since it goes against God.
by Quilavaland » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:25 pm
by South Pacific Republic » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:27 pm
by Senkaku » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:27 pm
Marxist-Leninist Germany wrote:Well perhaps partially, as homo sapiens are a social animal by nature, but there are other aspects of human nature that conflict with communistic tenants.
Quilavaland wrote:No, it's not a natural tendency, just look at the USSR, it almost straight away stopped being Communist. Humans are just naturally corrupt, a system like Communism can't work with humans.
by Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:28 pm
Greater Weselton wrote:Communism can't be a natural tendency since it goes against God.
by Need a Name » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:30 pm
by Hurdegaryp » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:30 pm
Greater Weselton wrote:Communism can't be a natural tendency since it goes against God.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Asigna » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:30 pm
by Furry Alairia and Algeria » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:31 pm
by Solorni » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:33 pm
by Esternial » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:33 pm
Furry Alairia and Algeria wrote:Hurdegaryp wrote:And since the memetic concept of God goes against nature, I'm not entirely certain what the hell you're trying to say, you happy little Third Reich aficionado.
He's a fundamentally fundamentalist Christian, so his arguments are...
not even arguments in the beginning...
by Hurdegaryp » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:35 pm
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Greater Weselton » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:36 pm
Solorni wrote:I'm amazed he didn't talk about how Adam and Eve
In any case... was hoping for at least some communists to debate this!
by Fjormark » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:42 pm
by Hurdegaryp » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:44 pm
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.
by Fratermonia » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:48 pm
by Scyobayrynn » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:50 pm
by Arkolon » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:51 pm
by Fjormark » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:55 pm
Arkolon wrote:Altruism was already hard to justify from an evolutionary psychological point of view, and propertarianism has always been used for advancement of hypogamy and social stratification in mate selection, which totally rules out communism for being natural tendency. Statelessness is, however, natural tendency, up until we reach mass society. Mass society that requires statism can be described as any population group larger than what our neocortex may allow for personal relationships, so 150 humans and above.
by Scyobayrynn » Sat Dec 06, 2014 7:58 pm
Arkolon wrote:Altruism was already hard to justify from an evolutionary psychological point of view, and propertarianism has always been used for advancement of hypogamy and social stratification in mate selection, which totally rules out communism for being natural tendency. Statelessness is, however, natural tendency, up until we reach mass society. Mass society that requires statism can be described as any population group larger than what our neocortex may allow for personal relationships, so 150 humans and above.
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