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PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:54 pm
by Quintium
Fortschritte wrote:Geert Wilders is loony, quite frankly. He wants to ban the Quran, and stop all Islamic immigration.


He's a bit eccentric, but he's a necessary counter-weight to the naive idealists who've been running this country (and running it into the ground) since the spring of 1968.

Banning the Quran is not a good idea, I think, because having it available freely for everyone to read is probably a much more effective way of combating the faith behind it. The moment I read that ghastly work was the moment I became an 'islamophobe'. The Quran really is a manifesto for war, famine, slavery, rape, brutal torture and murder and mass execution of prisoners of war. Everything the Islamic State does is perfectly justified by what the Quran says (and according to even mainstream islamic theology, the Quran contains only the direct and literal word of God).

Stopping all islamic immigration to the Netherlands would be a godsend, I think. We just can't deal with this any longer. We can't deal with the deliberate undermining of the values and rules that make our society peaceful and prosperous by islamic migrants who choose self-segregation even when offered much cheaper and better housing away from their own communities. We can't deal with an inflow of migrants who, according to figures released a few years ago, cost the government between €40,000 and €50,000 more than they will ever contribute to society and pass that effect on to their children. We can't deal with yet more Muslim migrants settling in a country where already there are more non-western migrants receiving bijstand than Dutch people. We're just overloaded, and adding more Muslims will light the fuse of war.

Fortschritte wrote:Pim Fortuyn, while a notable Islamaphobe and eurosceptic, was a lot less radical than Geert. Though I almost completely disagree with his political beliefs, I admired his love of liberalism, and find his death tragic.


What's wrong with not being a fan of the religion in whose name, at the moment, more than ninety-five percent of all deaths by terrorism in the world occur? What's wrong with not being a fan of a religion whose holy book calls for the total humiliation and submission of all infidels wherever they may be, and whose followers have been invading Europe for thirteen hundred years and used to raid our coasts to capture slaves and harvests for centuries on end? Respect is earned, not simply given, and Islam has done everything it possibly could to ensure that no rational man could respect it.

And the European Union - well, it's ineffective and inefficient and corrupt and motivated by a very dangerous kind of ideological zeal (trying to create a state without a nation, an army without loyalty, and one of the world's biggest countries with forty or more languages and five hundred million inhabitants who usually do not want to be part of such a state). It's the reason Europe was exceptionally hard-hit during the last economic crisis, is hardly getting enough economic growth for any job creation, has more and more insecure temporary jobs to keep up with the American trends (because America is a blueprint for the European Union), and will probably stumble into an even worse economic, social and political crisis within this decade. All in the name of unity-in-diversity.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:58 pm
by New Werpland
Martean wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
Please, do explain why she's one of the worst. She's done a decent job handling the recession in Germany, and has played a key role in multiple bailouts. She's a good Chancellor, and a strong, divisive leader.


Keyword: Germany

Angela Merkel has had no mercy for southern European states, she's pushed them and has driven them to austerity, and thus, a second recession, which has made countries like Greece or Spain be among the countries with a higher poverty rate of the OECD (#1 and #3, respectively)

She is driving the EU to self-destruction, besides, she isn't doing a good job at home, Germany is at the brink of another recession, and data showns Germany has done more or less good during the recession, in part because she was destroying southern EU countries.


Can you explain to us exactly how Germany's economic prosperity is due to the woe of nearby economies?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:11 pm
by The Conez Imperium
Quintium wrote:2. Marine 'the Second of her Surname' Le Pen. Finally woke France up and made it see what's going on. Made the Front National a respectable and popular party.


How can you support this xenophobic racist? The only thing worse with her Islamicphobia hysteria is her inability to differentiate religion and nationality.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:13 pm
by Quintium
The Conez Imperium wrote:
Quintium wrote:2. Marine 'the Second of her Surname' Le Pen. Finally woke France up and made it see what's going on. Made the Front National a respectable and popular party.


How can you support this xenophobic racist?


Because my head has been in the sand for too long. But I have realised now that if you keep your head in the sand and pretend that there aren't any problems, someone will come over and cut it off. Her solutions might not be perfect, but she's the only political leader in France at the moment who recognises the extent of the immigrant problem in France, and so she's the lesser evil.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:15 pm
by Famisa
Crimiea wrote:Angela Merkel, no doubt. Her pragmatism, cautious, compromising demeanor is what made Germany that respectable, stable country.

I agree absolutely

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:30 pm
by Vizy
Putin, because...Well, do you really need an explanation for him?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:32 pm
by The Conez Imperium
Quintium wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:
How can you support this xenophobic racist?


Because my head has been in the sand for too long. But I have realised now that if you keep your head in the sand and pretend that there aren't any problems, someone will come over and cut it off. Her solutions might not be perfect, but she's the only political leader in France at the moment who recognises the extent of the immigrant problem in France, and so she's the lesser evil.


Yes France does have an immigration problem but vilifying a religion is not a solution. Its a downright deplorable and abhorrent act. Yes keep her around as her opinions are different but please don't vote her into power.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:37 pm
by European Socialist Republic
Great Leader Kim Jong-un, who leads the people of Best Korea down the path towards socialism!

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:39 pm
by Shadowlandrea
Bernie Sanders....

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:39 pm
by Sebastianbourg
European Socialist Republic wrote:Great Leader Kim Jong-un, who leads the people of Best Korea down the path towards socialism Juche!

Fixed.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:42 pm
by European Socialist Republic
Sebastianbourg wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Great Leader Kim Jong-un, who leads the people of Best Korea down the path towards socialism Juche!

Fixed.

Juche obviously leads to socialism. Obviously! Obviously I'm joking.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:55 pm
by Fascist Republic Of Bermuda
Probs Putin, because not every leader has a comic about them being a superhero :p

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:12 pm
by Laerod
Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:Probs Putin, because not every leader has a comic about them being a superhero :p

Angela Merkel has comics about her being the All-Knowing Sister. Putin's really not unique in that regard.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:26 pm
by Harkback Union
FDR (Saved America with New Deal), Gadaffi (Built the most livable country in Africa), Castro (Pissed off the CIA like no one else), José Mujica
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(Best president EVER),

On a less serious tone:
Putin (Embargo? Removed from G8? Just Doesn't give a ****. Also flirts with wives of other country's leaders.),
John Kerry (...)
Ron Paul (It's Coming!)
Joe Biden (...)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:01 pm
by Pope Joan
I like Putin. He's smart, he's tough, and he's not going to take it lying down.

Mark my words, we will lose this war of wills versus the Bear.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:04 pm
by Kargintina
Vladimir Putin

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:04 pm
by Nuwe Suid Afrika
Does Joseph Stalin count as a 'modern' political leader?

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:06 pm
by Al Nahar
Harkback Union wrote: José Mujica (Best president EVER),


wow.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:35 pm
by MERIZoC
Al Nahar wrote:
Harkback Union wrote: José Mujica (Best president EVER),


wow.

He also donates 90% of his $12,000 per month salary to charity.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:55 pm
by Kumuri
Al Nahar wrote:
Harkback Union wrote: José Mujica (Best president EVER),


wow.

He's one of my picks.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:53 pm
by Informationland
Reagan (saved American from the oil crisis with his trickle-down economics), Pinochet (built the most liveable state in Latin America AND pissed off the left like no one else), Putin
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(Best president EVER)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:55 pm
by Imyoji
Lee Kwan Yew (Singapore) and Joko Widodo (Current President of Indonesia).

That's about it. Oh, and Richard Nixon, if he could be considered modern.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:34 pm
by Ardoki
Hugo Chavez. :)

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:36 pm
by Salus Maior
None. They're all bastards.

Although, I did like Mandela.

PostPosted: Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:50 pm
by Costa Fierro
Ardoki wrote:Hugo Chavez. :)


He's dead. And one of the primary reasons why Venezuela is in the crapper.