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Postby Fortschritte » Fri Dec 12, 2014 7:38 am

Bayang Maharlika wrote:I'll go to Sen. Miriam Defensor Santiago of the Philippines. She is one of a kind. One of the living legends!


I can't say I've heard of her, likely because my knowledge of politics in the Philippines is lackluster. I'll google search her.
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Postby Lytenburgh » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:22 am

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You call invading a country pragmatic? That's not pragmatic, nor is it innovative, it's reckless. It threatens the safety of the world, and kills people. How the fuck is that a positive thing? It's as if you like Putin because you have an irrational hatred of the West and a irrational love of war.


How does Crimea's re-union with Russia threatens the safety of th world? And, pray tell me, how many people did the Putin "kill" during the "invasion" of Crimea?
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Postby Lytenburgh » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:26 am

Camelza wrote:There are many, many more political leaders who aren't actually hurting people as we speak that you would agree with in more policies, but no, you had to go for the 21st century reincarnation of Ivan the Terrible, simply because he is anti-west.
This enemy mine logic is saying much about your set of ideals.


Bullshit! Or you just throw away some names of previous Russian rulers that you happened to know?

Tell me then, why and in what capacity is Putin "the 21st century reincarnation of Ivan the Terrible"?
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Postby The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:32 am

Doesn't she qualify as a politician?
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Postby Lytenburgh » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:37 am

The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic wrote:Doesn't she qualify as a politician?


She is Crimea's Attorney, so - "no nyah-myash" here!
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Postby Sebastianbourg » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:10 am

The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic wrote:Doesn't she qualify as a politician?

Yes.

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Postby Camelza » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:55 am

Lytenburgh wrote:
Camelza wrote:There are many, many more political leaders who aren't actually hurting people as we speak that you would agree with in more policies, but no, you had to go for the 21st century reincarnation of Ivan the Terrible, simply because he is anti-west.
This enemy mine logic is saying much about your set of ideals.


Bullshit! Or you just throw away some names of previous Russian rulers that you happened to know?

Tell me then, why and in what capacity is Putin "the 21st century reincarnation of Ivan the Terrible"?

Extremely nationalistic, reactionary, violent and de-facto an autocrat ...He may isn't exactly like Ivan IV, but his megalomania combined with the fact that he turned Russia into a threat for western democratic nations makes it possible to compare the two.

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Postby The Wolven League » Mon Dec 15, 2014 5:57 am

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Postby Lytenburgh » Mon Dec 15, 2014 6:24 am

Camelza wrote:Extremely nationalistic


Wrong on both occasions. Ivan Grozny wasn't "exreamly nationalistic". Neither is Putin. Or what, you can provide evidence of both thess Russian heads of the stat being nationalistic?

Camelza wrote:reactionary


Define "reactionary". Ivan IV was the first Russian ruler who began calling the "Assembly of the land", modernised local government, fought against the aristocracy's rights, institued new Code of Law and created first modern regular armed forces in Russia.

Besides, I didn't know that 16th century was choke full of "liberal" monarchs!

If you are talking about Putin - define "reactionary" and provide and examples of that, 'cause obviously we understand something else by this word.

Camelza wrote:violent


Did Putin murder his own child? Did he order people sewn into bear skins and then chsed by a dogs, or boiled alive, or to fight bears bare handed to his amusement? Did he wage a terror campaign against his own national elites, that resulted in numerous deaths of members of said elite? Did he conquer a completely peaceful Russian city, and then ordered it sacked and pillaged?

If not - then, again, we have some differences understanding words like "violent" and "Ivan the Terrible incarnate"

Camelza wrote: and de-facto an autocrat


Ivan IV was the first to be crowned as Czar. And he surely had more power over life and and destiny of his country then Putin. Or is it a case of you being incapable of not seeing shades of gray?

Camelza wrote: He may isn't exactly like Ivan IV, but his megalomania combined with the fact that he turned Russia into a threat for western democratic nations makes it possible to compare the two.


1) What megalomania? Did he rule like some Turkmen-bashi? Did he create a cult of personality like Stalin? And where, besides anti-Russian propaganda spewed by "Free and Independent Western Press"(tm), will you find his plans of "world dominance"?

2) Threat? How? It is more like the other way round - the West threatens Russia.
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Mon Dec 15, 2014 10:16 am

Vladimir Putin as dictated my most trustworthy RT. He is most noble bear chested 6-pack leader who fights against fascist powers.

Seriously however Scott Ludlam, any politician who stands up for basic Human rights deserves our applaud.

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Postby Free Detroit » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:14 am

Recently, and surprisingly, Pope Frank is probably my favorite.
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Postby Quintium » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:19 am

1. Nigel 'the Iron Lad' Farage. If he ever becomes Prime Minister and Argentina decides to launch another attack on the Falklands, he'll have the Union Jack flying over Buenos Aires within a month.
2. Marine 'the Second of her Surname' Le Pen. Finally woke France up and made it see what's going on. Made the Front National a respectable and popular party.
3. Heinz-Christian Strache. Leader of the FPÖ, a far-right party in Austria. Succeeded in getting more support among young people than among old people and showed that the far-right is not dead.
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Postby The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:22 am

Quintium wrote:1. Nigel 'the Iron Lad' Farage. If he ever becomes Prime Minister and Argentina decides to launch another attack on the Falklands, he'll have the Union Jack flying over Buenos Aires within a month.

If it takes him a month the MI6 and the entire British Army is a disgrace.
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Postby Quintium » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:23 am

The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic wrote:
Quintium wrote:1. Nigel 'the Iron Lad' Farage. If he ever becomes Prime Minister and Argentina decides to launch another attack on the Falklands, he'll have the Union Jack flying over Buenos Aires within a month.

If it takes him a month the MI6 and the entire British Army is a disgrace.


The Nige never does anything without preparing properly.
You don't want to kill British soldiers just to be there two or three days early.
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Postby The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:24 am

Quintium wrote:
The Transcaucasian Democratic Republic wrote:If it takes him a month the MI6 and the entire British Army is a disgrace.


The Nige never does anything without preparing properly.
You don't want to kill British soldiers just to be there two or three days early.

Fair enough.
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Postby Martean » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:33 am

Why so much people have said Angela Merkel it's their favourite leader? She's one of the worst, most selfish leaders in Europe
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Postby Shilya » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:42 am

Martean wrote:Why so much people have said Angela Merkel it's their favourite leader? She's one of the worst, most selfish leaders in Europe


I don't know. Frankly, I wouldn't say she's the worst either. Selfish? That's par for the course, she's a politician. But the thing is, she doesn't actually stand for anything.

I mean, someone show me anything where Merkel showed spine. Oh, people against it? Time to turn around and be against whatever she was for.

I mean, here's one of her quotes, from when fukushima happened:

An so einem Tag darf man sicher nicht sagen, unsere Kernkraftwerke sind sicher. Sie sind sicher.


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Postby Chestaan » Mon Dec 15, 2014 11:59 am

Martean wrote:Why so much people have said Angela Merkel it's their favourite leader? She's one of the worst, most selfish leaders in Europe



I also can't see why people are saying she is good for European integration. Her policies are pushing the southern countries towards euro scepticism. She really needs to consider the good of the EU rather than pandering to her voters at home who want a tough stands towards the PIIGS countries.
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Postby Weronus » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:04 pm

Geert Wilders for trying to protect our national identity and combating Islamification and Arabification of our society.

Pim Fortuyn for the same reasons as Geert (and being alot smarter than him), unfortinatly he's already dead for over 10 years.
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Postby Fortschritte » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:11 pm

Martean wrote:Why so much people have said Angela Merkel it's their favourite leader? She's one of the worst, most selfish leaders in Europe


Please, do explain why she's one of the worst. She's done a decent job handling the recession in Germany, and has played a key role in multiple bailouts. She's a good Chancellor, and a strong, divisive leader.
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Postby Fortschritte » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:14 pm

Weronus wrote:Geert Wilders for trying to protect our national identity and combating Islamification and Arabification of our society.

Pim Fortuyn for the same reasons as Geert (and being alot smarter than him), unfortinatly he's already dead for over 10 years.


Geert Wilders is loony, quite frankly. He wants to ban the Quran, and stop all Islamic immigration. He has decided to give the ideas of religious freedom and human rights a giant middle finger. His political career is run on fearmongering and his own massive ego. He's a terrible, god awful, politician, arguably one of the worst in the Western world.

Pim Fortuyn, while a notable Islamaphobe and eurosceptic, was a lot less radical than Geert. Though I almost completely disagree with his political beliefs, I admired his love of liberalism, and find his death tragic.
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Postby Weronus » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:29 pm

Fortschritte wrote:Geert Wilders is loony, quite frankly.

In your opinion
Fortschritte wrote:He wants to ban the Quran, and stop all Islamic immigration.

I don't see a problem with this

Fortschritte wrote:He has decided to give the ideas of religious freedom and human rights a giant middle finger.

Which is, in my opinion, necessary sometimes

Fortschritte wrote:His political career is run on fearmongering and his own massive ego. He's a terrible, god awful, politician, arguably one of the worst in the Western world.

Again, in your opinion.
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Postby Martean » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:43 pm

Fortschritte wrote:
Martean wrote:Why so much people have said Angela Merkel it's their favourite leader? She's one of the worst, most selfish leaders in Europe


Please, do explain why she's one of the worst. She's done a decent job handling the recession in Germany, and has played a key role in multiple bailouts. She's a good Chancellor, and a strong, divisive leader.


Keyword: Germany

Angela Merkel has had no mercy for southern European states, she's pushed them and has driven them to austerity, and thus, a second recession, which has made countries like Greece or Spain be among the countries with a higher poverty rate of the OECD (#1 and #3, respectively)

She is driving the EU to self-destruction, besides, she isn't doing a good job at home, Germany is at the brink of another recession, and data showns Germany has done more or less good during the recession, in part because she was destroying southern EU countries.
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Postby Shilya » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:49 pm

Martean wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
Please, do explain why she's one of the worst. She's done a decent job handling the recession in Germany, and has played a key role in multiple bailouts. She's a good Chancellor, and a strong, divisive leader.


Keyword: Germany

Angela Merkel has had no mercy for southern European states, she's pushed them and has driven them to austerity, and thus, a second recession, which has made countries like Greece or Spain be among the countries with a higher poverty rate of the OECD (#1 and #3, respectively)

She is driving the EU to self-destruction, besides, she isn't doing a good job at home, Germany is at the brink of another recession, and data showns Germany has done more or less good during the recession, in part because she was destroying southern EU countries.


I'll be frank here: The job of the german chancellor is to protect germany's interests, and no one elses. So as long as she does just that, you can't blame her for not fixing countries that never voted for her and that she is in no way whatsoever responsible for.

As for germany being on the brink of another recession, until it happens I'm calling doomsayers gonna doomsay.
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Postby Weronus » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:49 pm

Martean wrote:
Fortschritte wrote:
Please, do explain why she's one of the worst. She's done a decent job handling the recession in Germany, and has played a key role in multiple bailouts. She's a good Chancellor, and a strong, divisive leader.

Angela Merkel has had no mercy for southern European states

Why should we have mercy for countries that do not live by European agreement?
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