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Quintium
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Postby Quintium » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:54 pm

Fortschritte wrote:Geert Wilders is loony, quite frankly. He wants to ban the Quran, and stop all Islamic immigration.


He's a bit eccentric, but he's a necessary counter-weight to the naive idealists who've been running this country (and running it into the ground) since the spring of 1968.

Banning the Quran is not a good idea, I think, because having it available freely for everyone to read is probably a much more effective way of combating the faith behind it. The moment I read that ghastly work was the moment I became an 'islamophobe'. The Quran really is a manifesto for war, famine, slavery, rape, brutal torture and murder and mass execution of prisoners of war. Everything the Islamic State does is perfectly justified by what the Quran says (and according to even mainstream islamic theology, the Quran contains only the direct and literal word of God).

Stopping all islamic immigration to the Netherlands would be a godsend, I think. We just can't deal with this any longer. We can't deal with the deliberate undermining of the values and rules that make our society peaceful and prosperous by islamic migrants who choose self-segregation even when offered much cheaper and better housing away from their own communities. We can't deal with an inflow of migrants who, according to figures released a few years ago, cost the government between €40,000 and €50,000 more than they will ever contribute to society and pass that effect on to their children. We can't deal with yet more Muslim migrants settling in a country where already there are more non-western migrants receiving bijstand than Dutch people. We're just overloaded, and adding more Muslims will light the fuse of war.

Fortschritte wrote:Pim Fortuyn, while a notable Islamaphobe and eurosceptic, was a lot less radical than Geert. Though I almost completely disagree with his political beliefs, I admired his love of liberalism, and find his death tragic.


What's wrong with not being a fan of the religion in whose name, at the moment, more than ninety-five percent of all deaths by terrorism in the world occur? What's wrong with not being a fan of a religion whose holy book calls for the total humiliation and submission of all infidels wherever they may be, and whose followers have been invading Europe for thirteen hundred years and used to raid our coasts to capture slaves and harvests for centuries on end? Respect is earned, not simply given, and Islam has done everything it possibly could to ensure that no rational man could respect it.

And the European Union - well, it's ineffective and inefficient and corrupt and motivated by a very dangerous kind of ideological zeal (trying to create a state without a nation, an army without loyalty, and one of the world's biggest countries with forty or more languages and five hundred million inhabitants who usually do not want to be part of such a state). It's the reason Europe was exceptionally hard-hit during the last economic crisis, is hardly getting enough economic growth for any job creation, has more and more insecure temporary jobs to keep up with the American trends (because America is a blueprint for the European Union), and will probably stumble into an even worse economic, social and political crisis within this decade. All in the name of unity-in-diversity.
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Postby New Werpland » Mon Dec 15, 2014 12:58 pm

Martean wrote:
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Please, do explain why she's one of the worst. She's done a decent job handling the recession in Germany, and has played a key role in multiple bailouts. She's a good Chancellor, and a strong, divisive leader.


Keyword: Germany

Angela Merkel has had no mercy for southern European states, she's pushed them and has driven them to austerity, and thus, a second recession, which has made countries like Greece or Spain be among the countries with a higher poverty rate of the OECD (#1 and #3, respectively)

She is driving the EU to self-destruction, besides, she isn't doing a good job at home, Germany is at the brink of another recession, and data showns Germany has done more or less good during the recession, in part because she was destroying southern EU countries.


Can you explain to us exactly how Germany's economic prosperity is due to the woe of nearby economies?

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Postby The Conez Imperium » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:11 pm

Quintium wrote:2. Marine 'the Second of her Surname' Le Pen. Finally woke France up and made it see what's going on. Made the Front National a respectable and popular party.


How can you support this xenophobic racist? The only thing worse with her Islamicphobia hysteria is her inability to differentiate religion and nationality.
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Quintium
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Postby Quintium » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:13 pm

The Conez Imperium wrote:
Quintium wrote:2. Marine 'the Second of her Surname' Le Pen. Finally woke France up and made it see what's going on. Made the Front National a respectable and popular party.


How can you support this xenophobic racist?


Because my head has been in the sand for too long. But I have realised now that if you keep your head in the sand and pretend that there aren't any problems, someone will come over and cut it off. Her solutions might not be perfect, but she's the only political leader in France at the moment who recognises the extent of the immigrant problem in France, and so she's the lesser evil.
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Postby Famisa » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:15 pm

Crimiea wrote:Angela Merkel, no doubt. Her pragmatism, cautious, compromising demeanor is what made Germany that respectable, stable country.

I agree absolutely

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Vizy
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Postby Vizy » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:30 pm

Putin, because...Well, do you really need an explanation for him?

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The Conez Imperium
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Postby The Conez Imperium » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:32 pm

Quintium wrote:
The Conez Imperium wrote:
How can you support this xenophobic racist?


Because my head has been in the sand for too long. But I have realised now that if you keep your head in the sand and pretend that there aren't any problems, someone will come over and cut it off. Her solutions might not be perfect, but she's the only political leader in France at the moment who recognises the extent of the immigrant problem in France, and so she's the lesser evil.


Yes France does have an immigration problem but vilifying a religion is not a solution. Its a downright deplorable and abhorrent act. Yes keep her around as her opinions are different but please don't vote her into power.
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:37 pm

Great Leader Kim Jong-un, who leads the people of Best Korea down the path towards socialism!
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Postby Shadowlandrea » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:39 pm

Bernie Sanders....

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Postby Sebastianbourg » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:39 pm

European Socialist Republic wrote:Great Leader Kim Jong-un, who leads the people of Best Korea down the path towards socialism Juche!

Fixed.

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European Socialist Republic
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Postby European Socialist Republic » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:42 pm

Sebastianbourg wrote:
European Socialist Republic wrote:Great Leader Kim Jong-un, who leads the people of Best Korea down the path towards socialism Juche!

Fixed.

Juche obviously leads to socialism. Obviously! Obviously I'm joking.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.9
I am a far-left moderate social libertarian.
Left: 9.13
Libertarian: 2.62
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I am a Trotskyist.
Cosmopolitan: 71%
Secular: 80%
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Communistic: 78%
Pacifist: 40%
Anthropocentric: 50%

Legalize Tyranny, Impeach the Twenty-second Amendment, Term Limits are Theft, Barack Obama 2016!
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Postby Fascist Republic Of Bermuda » Mon Dec 15, 2014 1:55 pm

Probs Putin, because not every leader has a comic about them being a superhero :p
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Postby Laerod » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:12 pm

Fascist Republic Of Bermuda wrote:Probs Putin, because not every leader has a comic about them being a superhero :p

Angela Merkel has comics about her being the All-Knowing Sister. Putin's really not unique in that regard.

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Postby Harkback Union » Mon Dec 15, 2014 2:26 pm

FDR (Saved America with New Deal), Gadaffi (Built the most livable country in Africa), Castro (Pissed off the CIA like no one else), José Mujica
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(Best president EVER),

On a less serious tone:
Putin (Embargo? Removed from G8? Just Doesn't give a ****. Also flirts with wives of other country's leaders.),
John Kerry (...)
Ron Paul (It's Coming!)
Joe Biden (...)

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Pope Joan
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Postby Pope Joan » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:01 pm

I like Putin. He's smart, he's tough, and he's not going to take it lying down.

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Kargintina
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Postby Kargintina » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:04 pm

Vladimir Putin

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Nuwe Suid Afrika
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Postby Nuwe Suid Afrika » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:04 pm

Does Joseph Stalin count as a 'modern' political leader?


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Al Nahar
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Postby Al Nahar » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:06 pm

Harkback Union wrote: José Mujica (Best president EVER),


wow.
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Postby MERIZoC » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:35 pm

Al Nahar wrote:
Harkback Union wrote: José Mujica (Best president EVER),


wow.

He also donates 90% of his $12,000 per month salary to charity.

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Kumuri
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Postby Kumuri » Mon Dec 15, 2014 4:55 pm

Al Nahar wrote:
Harkback Union wrote: José Mujica (Best president EVER),


wow.

He's one of my picks.
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Postby Informationland » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:53 pm

Reagan (saved American from the oil crisis with his trickle-down economics), Pinochet (built the most liveable state in Latin America AND pissed off the left like no one else), Putin
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Postby Imyoji » Mon Dec 15, 2014 8:55 pm

Lee Kwan Yew (Singapore) and Joko Widodo (Current President of Indonesia).

That's about it. Oh, and Richard Nixon, if he could be considered modern.
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Postby Ardoki » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:34 pm

Hugo Chavez. :)
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Postby Salus Maior » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:36 pm

None. They're all bastards.

Although, I did like Mandela.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Mon Dec 15, 2014 9:50 pm

Ardoki wrote:Hugo Chavez. :)


He's dead. And one of the primary reasons why Venezuela is in the crapper.
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