What if: USSR won cold war, your life.

[United Marxist Nations]

Life has sucked in the former USSR because it lost. Life sucks for the losing side, hence, why we refer to them as the losing side.

Indeed. But I am specifically referring to the shitty bureaucratic authoritarianism that it espoused.

Lots of people there think it was less shitty than you think it is; hell, I think it wasn't that shitty. You got a job, healthcare, housing, education, and, if you joined the Party, free college education (this was how the Party kept its numbers up.

[Estva]

NATO threatened to sanction the USSR if it did not recognise Israel.

Source. You are awfully poor at giving these.

Furthermore, Israel was meant to be an Anglo-American proxy.

Source.

The whole idea was originally Britain's & America's in the making, with influence of the Zionists.

It was originally conceived by Jews from around the world, not just America or Britain.

[United Marxist Nations]

What "economic war"? Israel was a leftist state and as such, the USSR saw it as a potential ally. This was only ever on the tables because Stalin was effective at keeping his persecution of Jews hidden.


Source, and even if he did, it would have just been a Soviet puppet state no different from the Comintern nations.

Which occurred once Stalin and his Soviet successors realized Israel was not pro-Soviet and Khrushchev's liberalization let the Jewish purges come to light.

NATO threatened to sanction the USSR if it did not recognise Israel.

Furthermore, Israel was meant to be an Anglo-American proxy. The whole idea was originally Britain's & America's in the making, with influence of the Zionists.

The USSR voted for Israel's statehood, that is pretty damning; now you're just trying to be apologist. And what would sanctions have done, since they barely traded with NATO?

[Kubra]

naw jeans are the most prole form of legwear available for we modern day sans-cullotes

Not in Glorious USSR.

the red bourgeoisie, in its alienation from the working masses, does not understand its desires and interests. Like jeans!
Wear your Levi's proudly, you red guard.

[Southern Hampshire]

What "economic war"? Israel was a leftist state and as such, the USSR saw it as a potential ally. This was only ever on the tables because Stalin was effective at keeping his persecution of Jews hidden.


Source, and even if he did, it would have just been a Soviet puppet state no different from the Comintern nations.

Which occurred once Stalin and his Soviet successors realized Israel was not pro-Soviet and Khrushchev's liberalization let the Jewish purges come to light.

NATO threatened to sanction the USSR if it did not recognise Israel.

Furthermore, Israel was meant to be an Anglo-American proxy. The whole idea was originally Britain's & America's in the making, with influence of the Zionists.

The USSR was the first country in the world to recognize Israel, four days after Ben-Gurion's independence declaration. The next day, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Nicaragua recognized Israel.

The US did not recognize Israel until 8 months later. The UK de jure did not recognize Israel until a year later.

[The Sotoan Union]

NATO threatened to sanction the USSR if it did not recognise Israel.

Furthermore, Israel was meant to be an Anglo-American proxy. The whole idea was originally Britain's & America's in the making, with influence of the Zionists.

The USSR was the first country in the world to recognize Israel, four days after Ben-Gurion's independence declaration. The next day, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Nicaragua recognized Israel.

The US did not recognize Israel until 8 months later. The UK de jure did not recognize Israel until a year later.

I don't even know why this thread is now about Israel.

[Washington Resistance Army]

The USSR was the first country in the world to recognize Israel, four days after Ben-Gurion's independence declaration. The next day, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Nicaragua recognized Israel.

The US did not recognize Israel until 8 months later. The UK de jure did not recognize Israel until a year later.

I don't even know why this thread is now about Israel.

Because everything is about Israel, ya know with them being the bestest nation ever and all that.

[Sebastianbourg]

Lads, this thread is about our lives in the hypothetical scenario presented by the OP not Israel.

[Central Slavia]

Well, I'd first of all be an agronome of some sort (HS equivalent, maybe university if I was lucky and I bothered) on one of the state farms - my uncle and grandpa were that and it was what I wanted to be as a kid, but got quickly explained how stupid it'd be given our agriculture lies in shambles after what the capitalists have done, and studying it is a quick path to unemployment.
Probably would end up as a party member. Might get in trouble along the way, most likely the secondary way - pissing someone off enough that they try to politically step on your position - I'm not too good at manoeuvering political situations, to be blunt, mainly because I tend to act then think in critical moments.

Still, I'd prefer it to the shit my country ended up in since.

[Central Slavia]

NATO threatened to sanction the USSR if it did not recognise Israel.

Furthermore, Israel was meant to be an Anglo-American proxy. The whole idea was originally Britain's & America's in the making, with influence of the Zionists.

The USSR was the first country in the world to recognize Israel, four days after Ben-Gurion's independence declaration. The next day, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Nicaragua recognized Israel.

The US did not recognize Israel until 8 months later. The UK de jure did not recognize Israel until a year later.

This.
Israel survived in its first months thanks to our (Czechoslovak) and Soviet weapons.
All of the eastern block, we were their friends and supporters, right until they moved off to seek tighter alliance with USA instead, around the time of the Suez crisis.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

NATO threatened to sanction the USSR if it did not recognise Israel.

Furthermore, Israel was meant to be an Anglo-American proxy. The whole idea was originally Britain's & America's in the making, with influence of the Zionists.

The USSR voted for Israel's statehood, that is pretty damning; now you're just trying to be apologist. And what would sanctions have done, since they barely traded with NATO?

Firstly, we must recognise that the first person to recognise the Zionist régime entity, was in effect Truman, whom recognised the Provisional Government of Israel.

Secondly, The Soviet Union just emerged from a huge destructive war. Threats of economic war against them would not be taken lightly.

"The official Soviet ideological position on Zionism condemned the movement as akin to bourgeois nationalism. Lenin, deeply committed to egalitarian ideals whilst also universality of all humanity, rejected Zionism as a reactionary movement, "bourgeois nationalism", "socially retrogressive", and a backward force that deprecates class divisions among Jews."

Thirdly, Lenin's platform alone would make it impossible for the USSR to have made this decision, unless it was forced into it.

Fourth, Stalin was long reluctant about supporting the Zionist régime, he stopped shipping all forms of aid in 1949, which meant the USSR was only involved with Israel for one-two years precisely. He returned to his original platform, as the USSR rapidly gained strength both at home as well as elsewhere, giving it the leverage needed to oppose the Zionist plots.

Five, it is pretty well known the Jewish Autonomous Oblast was created with the original intention of convincing the West to give the Jews land there instead of annexing & colonising Palestine.

Six, Stalin in 1947-1949 acted under pressure, whilst furthermore on a slight hope he could somewhat wrestle Israel out of Western hands & make it socialist. Its behaviour against Palestinians (especially by Zionist thug militias like Haganah), as well as the fact of which it was pretty clear Israel would serve NATO interests against the USSR, made him completely cease this short thaw in anti-Zionist policy. He returned to full out anti-Zionism. Hence one of several reasons why CIA & Mossad hired doctors to personally dispose of him in March 1953. Something that cannot be denied, because his daughter testified to the fact of which the doctors attending to his deathbed were not the usual ones she or anyone else at the time would hath known.

Seven, in J.V.Stalin Works= Moscow; Vol 2; Marxism and the National Question; p.344 | There is Stalin criticising Jewish ultranationalism (Zionism) as a bourgeois nationalist creation. Stalin believed that the Jews were NOT a nation...yet nevertheless a "cultural" group. The reason the Jewish Autonomous Oblast was established was to preserve the cultural identity of the Jewish people...yet not as a "Jewish nation". The very formation as well as ideal behind the oblast was opposed by Zionism... moreover was in fact created to oppose Zionist calls for a separate nation in addition to the existence of the Jews as a separate nationality.

Eight, another good written source on this is Historian André W.M. Gerrits' "Myth of Jewish Communism" where it was cited, “Anti-Zionism became a significant element of the Soviet Union’s foreign policy toward the end of the 1940s. The Soviet leadership had supported Israel’s creation at the United Nations General Assembly in November 1947. They believed that Israel could become an ally in the Middle East. It rapidly turned out that this would not be the case."

Nine, "But it becomes still more harmful when it is thrust upon a nation whose existence and future are open to doubt. In such cases the advocates of national autonomy are obliged to protect and preserve all the peculiar features of the nation, the bad as well as the good, just for the sake of saving the nation from assimilation, just for the sake of preserving it. That the Bund should take this dangerous path was inevitable. And it did take it. We are referring to the resolutions of recent conferences of the Bund on the question of the Sabbath, Yiddish, etc. Social democracy strives to secure for all nations the right to use their own language. But that does not satisfy the Bund; it demands that the rights of the Jewish language be championed with exceptional persistence and the Bund itself in the elections to the 4th Duma declared that it would give preference to those of them (ie electors) who undertake to defend the rights of Jewish language. Not the general right of all nations to use their own language, but the particular right of the Jewish language, Yiddish!.. But in what way then does the Bund differ from the bourgeois nationalists?
Ibid; p.352-353

In addition, therein lies another clue to this puzzle, where Anwar Sadat, the Egyptian shill that turned against the Nasserist line moreover purged Nasserists from politics & military; also provided NATO & GCC with propaganda help by smearing the Soviet Union, whilst falsely portraying NATO was the true saviours of the Arab http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/02/22/ ... ippur-war/

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=14Je ... xy&f=false
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... -us-policy
http://www.globalresearch.ca/foundation ... il/5392407
http://thepeoplesbookproject.com/2011/1 ... tionalism/

Conclusion, Stalin, Lenin, the overall USSR since both of them (till the traitors Gorby as well as Yeltsin), were staunchly opposed against ZIonism.

[Souriya Al-Assad]

NATO threatened to sanction the USSR if it did not recognise Israel.

Furthermore, Israel was meant to be an Anglo-American proxy. The whole idea was originally Britain's & America's in the making, with influence of the Zionists.

The USSR was the first country in the world to recognize Israel, four days after Ben-Gurion's independence declaration. The next day, Czechoslovakia, Poland, Hungary, Yugoslavia and Nicaragua recognized Israel.

The US did not recognize Israel until 8 months later. The UK de jure did not recognize Israel until a year later.

Actually, Truman recognised the Zionist régime entity first, in a de facto statement, moreover constantly insisted that his statement was valid.

[Brunsk]

Lads, this thread is about our lives in the hypothetical scenario presented by the OP not Israel.

Hear, hear!

[The Nuclear Fist]

Though according to OP, my state would border a belligerent secessionist nation, so I'd probably end up seeing my home ground up in a war zone.

That would suck.

[United Marxist Nations]

Yes, I am aware that Comrade Stalin wrote that the Jews were not a nation, but that does not excuse action opposing his own view.

[SuperFruitland]

I wouldn't've been born.

Nor would my parents have been born, either, probably.

[The Bosakian Sultanate]

I would have been a starving, poor and sick person. Thank the Flying Spaghetti Monster that I don't live in a poor communist hellhole.

[Talvezout]

Spain would have probably turned back into a Fascist Republic, and my parents would have probably been dead due to having opposing views of the state.

[Inyourfaceistan]

This is just an alternative timeline idea, it's just some fun what if the USSR won the cold war? In the POD, Reagan's policies hinder the USA and leads to an economic collapse of the US. California, Hawaii, the CSA and Texas succeed from the US, North Korea unites with South Korea, East Germany unites with West Germany. The only capitalist bastions left in the world is in Great Britain, Afghanistan, India, Japan and Ireland. Japan and Great Britain have severe embargoes put against them.

What would your life be like in post cold war if USSR won?
I would already graduated from University and I would be a secondary school teacher, teaching kids Marxist-Leninism.

Lined up against a wall while wearing a shirt with Tony Chao Flores on it, refusing to put on a blindfold as I scream counter-revolutionary mantras in the faces of my executioners...

Or in the realm of reality in which your world exists, Public Enemy #1 and/or leader of the Resistance and Global Counter-Revolutionary Icon traveling around the world to lead rebellions to help others overthrow their murdering pinko regimes.

[Sebastianbourg]

Spain would have probably turned back into a Fascist Republic, and my parents would have probably been dead due to having opposing views of the state.

The King was already firmly in power around 1990 and in this scenario all of continental Europe magically turned communist.
Hola, deberías ir al hilo en español.

[The Lone Star Republics]

So is The Republic of Texas in the former United States of America like some sort of Yugoslavia breakdown? Is there a Siege of Dallas by the California Republic?

[The Bosakian Sultanate]

So is The Republic of Texas in the former United States of America like some sort of Yugoslavia breakdown? Is there a Siege of Dallas by the California Republic?

REMOVE TEXAS.
CALIFORNIA STRONG.

[The Lone Star Republics]

So is The Republic of Texas in the former United States of America like some sort of Yugoslavia breakdown? Is there a Siege of Dallas by the California Republic?

REMOVE TEXAS.
CALIFORNIA STRONG.

Freedom Ain't free. The tree of liberty and freedom gotta be litterd with the blood of Patriots. The California Peopl'es Republic aka "homo gummunists" is not my rulers. they is islamic gommunist and probbaly homo as well :-DD. Sam Houston and Davy Crockett not atheism and derrurism ok. Remeber the Alamo.

[Sebastianbourg]

So is The Republic of Texas in the former United States of America like some sort of Yugoslavia breakdown? Is there a Siege of Dallas by the California Republic?

REMOVE TEXAS.
CALIFORNIA STRONG Stronk.

Fixed.

[The Bosakian Sultanate]

REMOVE TEXAS.
CALIFORNIA STRONG Stronk.

Fixed.

No, it's STRONK