No Indictment for Eric Garner's Killer

[MERIZoC]

What if you've been harassed by the police time and time again? Do you still go with them even if you haven't commited a crime? What about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Non-compliance should not be synonymous with a license to kill.

Dude, he was selling cigars illegally. If the police catch you doing such things and they tell you to come with them THEN YOU COME WITH THEM! The police have a right to accuse you, and they can't detain you until they have certain evidence that allow them to.

No, he was suspected of having done so. Either way, passive non-compliance does not warrant the methods used by the officers.

[Islamic State of UKIP]

Despicable. What's next, police don't need to obey traffic laws? Oh wait. It's not quite there yet, but violence against police is almost justifiable at this point. A 7 year old near Detroit was recently shot for no reason as well. America, put your police in their place. They are public servants, not the other way around

[Insaeldor]

Dude, he was selling cigars illegally. If the police catch you doing such things and they tell you to come with them THEN YOU COME WITH THEM! The police have a right to accuse you, and they can't detain you until they have certain evidence that allow them to.

No, he was suspected of having done so. Either way, passive non-compliance does not warrant the methods used by the officers.

Even then it's only worth a ticket, barely worse then a speeding ticket.

[Gauthier]

When Dawon Gore gets convicted and fired, I get the feeling there's going to be bunch of Louis Heads screaming "BURN THIS BITCH DOWN" all across the country.

[New Oyashima]

They deliberately performed a potentially lethal maneuver that they have been instructed not to use for almost twenty years.

Headlock, not chokehold.

Look familiar?

[New Oyashima]

You'd only think that if you had no understanding how the human body works.

Well, I was in several choke holds and tackled many times for 3 months in Army basic training, and I could breathe every time, so I don't see your point?

What you sound like.

[Islamic State of UKIP]

Source is Al-Jazeera.

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Because ignoring a credible source is so edgy and cool...

[Gauthier]

Source is Al-Jazeera.

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Because ignoring a credible source is so edgy and cool...

It's what happens when your eyes see "Al-Jazeera" and your brain registers "Al-Qaeda News Network".

[MERIZoC]

Because ignoring a credible source is so edgy and cool...

It's what happens when your eyes see "Al-Jazeera" and your brain registers "Al-Qaeda News Network".

Honestly surprised that Murky didn't say anything about it.

[Sibirsky]

And Garner was sure violent.
After all, those cigarettes he was (allegedly, I'm actually unclear on the veracity of this claim) selling may have indirectly contributed to the people who were buying them getting cancer in 30+ years, right?

He resisted arrest and assaulted police officers.

Pretty much the definition of violent. Assaulting an officer of the peace is DEFINITELY a violent act.

He did not resist arrest, and he certainly did not assault any officer. Have you seen the fucking video?

[Prezelly]

I'm on the fence on this. He did resist arrest in a way, so the police had the right to detain him, but not to the point where he dies. So I am unsure

[Sibirsky]

How did he assault the officer?

The only reason a Police officer resorts to restraining a suspect is when violence erupts. There would be no reason for a cop or cops to assault and kill him accidentally while arresting him if he was surrendering peacefully.

Are you stupid, or pretending to be?

This kid violently attacked.... his fucking crib?

[Sibirsky]

Okay then how did he die if he was able to breathe?

Well, he died of a heart attack in an ambulance.

Stop fucking lying.

[Sibirsky]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

Maybe if New York City and New York State hadn't decided to tax the shit out cigarettes, people would not be forced to buy, or sell loosies.

The taxes in New York State alone (ignoring NYC taxes, federal taxes, the actual cost and profits for the manufacturer, wholesaler, deliverers, retailers, and the sky high sales tax) are higher than the entire cost in other states.

When you tax something at extremely high rates, you get a black market for it.

And fuck you, if you think selling loose, untaxed cigarettes is a crime worthy of an arrest.

[Prezelly]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

Maybe if New York City and New York State hadn't decided to tax the shit out cigarettes, people would not be forced to buy, or sell loosies.

The taxes in New York State alone (ignoring NYC taxes, federal taxes, the actual cost and profits for the manufacturer, wholesaler, deliverers, retailers, and the sky high sales tax) are higher than the entire cost in other states.

When you tax something at extremely high rates, you get a black market for it.

And fuck you, if you think selling loose, untaxed cigarettes is a crime worthy of an arrest.

Well if it is illegal, then yes it is worthy of arrest. That is the point

[Yumyumsuppertime]

Maybe if New York City and New York State hadn't decided to tax the shit out cigarettes, people would not be forced to buy, or sell loosies.

The taxes in New York State alone (ignoring NYC taxes, federal taxes, the actual cost and profits for the manufacturer, wholesaler, deliverers, retailers, and the sky high sales tax) are higher than the entire cost in other states.

When you tax something at extremely high rates, you get a black market for it.

And fuck you, if you think selling loose, untaxed cigarettes is a crime worthy of an arrest.

Well if it is illegal, then yes it is worthy of arrest. That is the point

No, it's worthy of a ticket. Not arrest.

[The Liberated Territories]

It was supposed to operate to provide justice, not murder.

It's a government system designed to protect the government. It operated effectively.

Similar to:

The people are supposed to protect the people.

It obviously isn't working.

[Prezelly]

Well if it is illegal, then yes it is worthy of arrest. That is the point

No, it's worthy of a ticket. Not arrest.

I should probably look into the actual process. I made the assumption that it was arrest worthy, I am not quite sure

[MERIZoC]

Maybe if New York City and New York State hadn't decided to tax the shit out cigarettes, people would not be forced to buy, or sell loosies.

The taxes in New York State alone (ignoring NYC taxes, federal taxes, the actual cost and profits for the manufacturer, wholesaler, deliverers, retailers, and the sky high sales tax) are higher than the entire cost in other states.

When you tax something at extremely high rates, you get a black market for it.

And fuck you, if you think selling loose, untaxed cigarettes is a crime worthy of an arrest.

Well if it is illegal, then yes it is worthy of arrest. That is the point

Is jaywalking worthy of arrest? What about speeding? Illegal parking?

[Sibirsky]

There was not enough evidence to prove he did anything to kill him on purpose. That is the purpose of a grand jury. And when you insult the case, you don't only insult the officer but the jury, who were citizens just like you and me. Why is it when a black guy kills a black guy, no one says anything. A black guy kills a white guy, makes it into local news. But when a white police officer kills a black man, THE WHOLE NATION GO NUTS! You don't realize that all you peace out against racism, while you are all being racist by jumping to the conclusion that the white man was racist and guilty. Which is not only illogical but racist. I just hope the protest would be peaceful.

This was, at the very least, negligent homicide.

Black men are four times as likely to be killed by the police, as men of other races. If you don't think that's a pattern or a problem, you're an idiot.

And plenty of black people protest black on black crime. Your comment, is ignorant.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... ce/255329/

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/arc ... me/378629/

[Prezelly]

Well if it is illegal, then yes it is worthy of arrest. That is the point

Is jaywalking worthy of arrest? What about speeding? Illegal parking?

They can be in some circumstances

[Sibirsky]

What if you've been harassed by the police time and time again? Do you still go with them even if you haven't commited a crime? What about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Non-compliance should not be synonymous with a license to kill.

Dude, he was selling cigars illegally. If the police catch you doing such things and they tell you to come with them THEN YOU COME WITH THEM! The police have a right to accuse you, and they can't detain you until they have certain evidence that allow them to.

Oh no! Selling cigars? Certainly worthy of the death penalty.

He was selling cigarettes. Allegedly. No evidence has been presented to support the claim.

[Sibirsky]

Maybe if New York City and New York State hadn't decided to tax the shit out cigarettes, people would not be forced to buy, or sell loosies.

The taxes in New York State alone (ignoring NYC taxes, federal taxes, the actual cost and profits for the manufacturer, wholesaler, deliverers, retailers, and the sky high sales tax) are higher than the entire cost in other states.

When you tax something at extremely high rates, you get a black market for it.

And fuck you, if you think selling loose, untaxed cigarettes is a crime worthy of an arrest.

Well if it is illegal, then yes it is worthy of arrest. That is the point

No, it's not. Using your logic, people would be arrested for parking in a no parking zone, jaywalking, speeding by a few miles an hour, paying tickets late and host of other "crimes."

[Sibirsky]

It's a government system designed to protect the government. It operated effectively.

Similar to:

The people are supposed to protect the people.

It obviously isn't working.

It's working exactly as designed.

[Prezelly]

Well if it is illegal, then yes it is worthy of arrest. That is the point

No, it's not. Using your logic, people would be arrested for parking in a no parking zone, jaywalking, speeding by a few miles an hour, paying tickets late and host of other "crimes."

And people can be, under certain circumstances