No Indictment for Eric Garner's Killer

[Rob Halfordia]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

Source on that whole air thing. Also.


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[Ektiserte]

I haven't seen the video, but from what I've heard, this was a very different situation than Ferguson. It certainly sounds to me that there should have been an indictment.

[Kistan]

Source is Al-Jazeera.

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[Sevvania]

He may or may not have been commiting a crime as petty as selling individual cigarettes, but, "If he wasn't fat and black he might have survived."

Murder or not, manslaughter is still a thing.

I'm sorry if my statement about black people taking in less air than white people seemed racist, I did not mean it to be.

Yeah manslaughter is a thing, I'm well aware.

I wasn't trying to out you as racist, I was pointing out that you seem to be going out of your way to blame the guy who died instead of the guy who had an arm around his throat, grabbing at things as indirect as ethnicity as opposed to something as direct as an arm around the throat.

Becoming a cop doesn't suddenly make your life more valuable than regular citizens. The police exist to protect and to serve the regular citizens, not lord over them with impunity by virtue of being in law enforcement.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

Source on that whole air thing. Also.


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What's so funny? I am not being racist, nor am I calling black people racist because of this.

Also sorry, spent the last several minutes looking for the source, can't find it.

[Cetacea]

Black persons take in....

WHAT?

WHAT?!?!?

It's actually true.

nah you'll need a better source on that

so are you saying black Africans descendents are more efficient and make better use of each breath? or are you talking about the High altitude thing where people evolved to high altitudes take in more oxygen? or is it something else?

[The United States of North Amerigo]

I'm sorry if my statement about black people taking in less air than white people seemed racist, I did not mean it to be.

Yeah manslaughter is a thing, I'm well aware.

I wasn't trying to out you as racist, I was pointing out that you seem to be going out of your way to blame the guy who died instead of the guy who had an arm around his throat, grabbing at things as indirect as ethnicity as opposed to something as direct as an arm around the throat.

Becoming a cop doesn't suddenly make your life more valuable than regular citizens. The police exist to protect and to serve the regular citizens, not lord over them with impunity by virtue of being in law enforcement.

I realize that, but he escalated the situation by refusing to come with the police.

[Ukrainian Cossacks]

There was not enough evidence to prove he did anything to kill him on purpose. That is the purpose of a grand jury. And when you insult the case, you don't only insult the officer but the jury, who were citizens just like you and me. Why is it when a black guy kills a black guy, no one says anything. A black guy kills a white guy, makes it into local news. But when a white police officer kills a black man, THE WHOLE NATION GO NUTS! You don't realize that all you peace out against racism, while you are all being racist by jumping to the conclusion that the white man was racist and guilty. Which is not only illogical but racist. I just hope the protest would be peaceful.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

There was not enough evidence to prove he did anything to kill him on purpose. That is the purpose of a grand jury. And when you insult the case, you don't only insult the officer but the jury, who were citizens just like you and me. Why is it when a black guy kills a black guy, no one says anything. A black guy kills a white guy, makes it into local news. But when a white police officer kills a black man, THE WHOLE NATION GO NUTS! You don't realize that all you peace out against racism, while you are all being racist by jumping to the conclusion that the white man was racist and guilty. Which is not only illogical but racist. I just hope the protest would be peaceful.

This case is less about race, more about police brutality. However I do agree that there was not enough evidence to show that the police officer killed him on purpose.

[Sevvania]

I wasn't trying to out you as racist, I was pointing out that you seem to be going out of your way to blame the guy who died instead of the guy who had an arm around his throat, grabbing at things as indirect as ethnicity as opposed to something as direct as an arm around the throat.

Becoming a cop doesn't suddenly make your life more valuable than regular citizens. The police exist to protect and to serve the regular citizens, not lord over them with impunity by virtue of being in law enforcement.

I realize that, but he escalated the situation by refusing to come with the police.

His "escalation" was pulling his arm away from people who apparently harassed him on more than one occasion, and were seemingly there to harass him again, as he claimed that he had done nothing wrong and had not been selling cigarettes. Their "escalation" was to deprive his heart and brain of oxygen.

You see how one of those may be a tad more extreme than the other, yes?

[Scomagia]

There was not enough evidence to prove he did anything to kill him on purpose. That is the purpose of a grand jury. And when you insult the case, you don't only insult the officer but the jury, who were citizens just like you and me. Why is it when a black guy kills a black guy, no one says anything. A black guy kills a white guy, makes it into local news. But when a white police officer kills a black man, THE WHOLE NATION GO NUTS! You don't realize that all you peace out against racism, while you are all being racist by jumping to the conclusion that the white man was racist and guilty. Which is not only illogical but racist. I just hope the protest would be peaceful.

The fact that the Grand Jury didn't indict is clear evidence that they were either tampered with or, much more likely, the prosecutor didn't do their job. There was more than enough evidence for an indictment, seeing as how people are regularly indicted with much, much less evidence.

[Cetacea]

There was not enough evidence to prove he did anything to kill him on purpose. That is the purpose of a grand jury. And when you insult the case, you don't only insult the officer but the jury, who were citizens just like you and me. Why is it when a black guy kills a black guy, no one says anything. A black guy kills a white guy, makes it into local news. But when a white police officer kills a black man, THE WHOLE NATION GO NUTS! You don't realize that all you peace out against racism, while you are all being racist by jumping to the conclusion that the white man was racist and guilty. Which is not only illogical but racist. I just hope the protest would be peaceful.

see people reduce it to a race issue when it's not, it is a Policing issue - Police are trained to serve the public and hopefully to not kill them

I don't know what the stats are on Black Cops killing people but there seems to be a lot of White Police killing black males

[Jamzmania]

There was not enough evidence to prove he did anything to kill him on purpose. That is the purpose of a grand jury. And when you insult the case, you don't only insult the officer but the jury, who were citizens just like you and me. Why is it when a black guy kills a black guy, no one says anything. A black guy kills a white guy, makes it into local news. But when a white police officer kills a black man, THE WHOLE NATION GO NUTS! You don't realize that all you peace out against racism, while you are all being racist by jumping to the conclusion that the white man was racist and guilty. Which is not only illogical but racist. I just hope the protest would be peaceful.

This case is less about race, more about police brutality. However I do agree that there was not enough evidence to show that the police officer killed him on purpose.

He may have been charged with negligent homicide, however.

[The balkens]

There was not enough evidence to prove he did anything to kill him on purpose. That is the purpose of a grand jury. And when you insult the case, you don't only insult the officer but the jury, who were citizens just like you and me. Why is it when a black guy kills a black guy, no one says anything. A black guy kills a white guy, makes it into local news. But when a white police officer kills a black man, THE WHOLE NATION GO NUTS! You don't realize that all you peace out against racism, while you are all being racist by jumping to the conclusion that the white man was racist and guilty. Which is not only illogical but racist. I just hope the protest would be peaceful.

The fact that the Grand Jury didn't indict is clear evidence that they were either tampered with or, much more likely, the prosecutor didn't do their job. There was more than enough evidence for an indictment, seeing as how people are regularly indicted with much, much less evidence.

Probably both.

[Jamzmania]

There was not enough evidence to prove he did anything to kill him on purpose. That is the purpose of a grand jury. And when you insult the case, you don't only insult the officer but the jury, who were citizens just like you and me. Why is it when a black guy kills a black guy, no one says anything. A black guy kills a white guy, makes it into local news. But when a white police officer kills a black man, THE WHOLE NATION GO NUTS! You don't realize that all you peace out against racism, while you are all being racist by jumping to the conclusion that the white man was racist and guilty. Which is not only illogical but racist. I just hope the protest would be peaceful.

see people reduce it to a race issue when it's not, it is a Policing issue - Police are trained to serve the public and hopefully to not kill them

I don't know what the stats are on Black Cops killing people but there seems to be a lot of White Police killing black males

It's an extremely low number in comparison to the actual numbers of blacks in America.

Edit: According to a CDC database there were 123 blacks killed in police shootings in 2012.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

I realize that, but he escalated the situation by refusing to come with the police.

His "escalation" was pulling his arm away from people who apparently harassed him on more than one occasion, and were seemingly there to harass him again, as he claimed that he had done nothing wrong and had not been selling cigarettes. Their "escalation" was to deprive his heart and brain of oxygen.

You see how one of those may be a tad more extreme than the other, yes?

He refused to come with the police in the beginning... If the police show up and they order you to come with them, make no mistake YOU GO WITH THEM.

[Rob Halfordia]

His "escalation" was pulling his arm away from people who apparently harassed him on more than one occasion, and were seemingly there to harass him again, as he claimed that he had done nothing wrong and had not been selling cigarettes. Their "escalation" was to deprive his heart and brain of oxygen.

You see how one of those may be a tad more extreme than the other, yes?

He refused to come with the police in the beginning... If the police show up and they order you to come with them, make no mistake YOU GO WITH THEM.

Sounds like Fascism.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

It is my opinion that he could have avoided dying by just coming to the police station the first time the cops told him too.

[Sevvania]

His "escalation" was pulling his arm away from people who apparently harassed him on more than one occasion, and were seemingly there to harass him again, as he claimed that he had done nothing wrong and had not been selling cigarettes. Their "escalation" was to deprive his heart and brain of oxygen.

You see how one of those may be a tad more extreme than the other, yes?

He refused to come with the police in the beginning... If the police show up and they order you to come with them, make no mistake YOU GO WITH THEM.

What if you've been harassed by the police time and time again? Do you still go with them even if you haven't commited a crime? What about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Non-compliance should not be synonymous with a license to kill.

[Jamzmania]

He refused to come with the police in the beginning... If the police show up and they order you to come with them, make no mistake YOU GO WITH THEM.

What if you've been harassed by the police time and time again? Do you still go with them even if you haven't commited a crime? What about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Non-compliance should not be synonymous with a license to kill.

You seem to be suggesting that the police went in there with an intent to kill him, or that the person who put him in a chokehold killed him on purpose. Almost everyone agrees that this was an accidental death.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

He refused to come with the police in the beginning... If the police show up and they order you to come with them, make no mistake YOU GO WITH THEM.

What if you've been harassed by the police time and time again? Do you still go with them even if you haven't commited a crime? What about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Non-compliance should not be synonymous with a license to kill.

Dude, he was selling cigars illegally. If the police catch you doing such things and they tell you to come with them THEN YOU COME WITH THEM! The police have a right to accuse you, and they can't detain you until they have certain evidence that allow them to.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Source is Al-Jazeera.

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I agree! Al Jazeera is a very reliable source, so we should all stop ignoring this when they report on it.
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There was not enough evidence to prove he did anything to kill him on purpose. That is the purpose of a grand jury. And when you insult the case, you don't only insult the officer but the jury, who were citizens just like you and me. Why is it when a black guy kills a black guy, no one says anything. A black guy kills a white guy, makes it into local news. But when a white police officer kills a black man, THE WHOLE NATION GO NUTS! You don't realize that all you peace out against racism, while you are all being racist by jumping to the conclusion that the white man was racist and guilty. Which is not only illogical but racist. I just hope the protest would be peaceful.

It doesn't matter if it was on purpose. Purpose is not a prerequisite for crime. He can be blamed for heavy negligence, fir example. Purpose is not required.

And I happily insult a jury. They have no experience with law. They are not trained the way judges are. Juries are exactly what you say, people like us. And that makes them unqualified for law. The whole system of juries in the US should be abolished.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

To be fair he was sued 75 million dollars, whether that lawsuit succeeded I do not know.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

What if you've been harassed by the police time and time again? Do you still go with them even if you haven't commited a crime? What about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Non-compliance should not be synonymous with a license to kill.

Dude, he was selling cigars illegally. If the police catch you doing such things and they tell you to come with them THEN YOU COME WITH THEM! The police have a right to accuse you, and they can't detain you until they have certain evidence that allow them to.

Was it unnecessary to chokehold him? Probably.

[Sevvania]

What if you've been harassed by the police time and time again? Do you still go with them even if you haven't commited a crime? What about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Non-compliance should not be synonymous with a license to kill.

You seem to be suggesting that the police went in there with an intent to kill him, or that the person who put him in a chokehold killed him on purpose. Almost everyone agrees that this was an accidental death.

I'm by no means saying that they came out there with the intent to kill him. But kill him, they did, through use of excessive force and disregard for his cries for air. "But he's a cop, and accidents happen, so there shouldn't be any consequences for his actions."

What if you've been harassed by the police time and time again? Do you still go with them even if you haven't commited a crime? What about "innocent until proven guilty"?

Non-compliance should not be synonymous with a license to kill.

Dude, he was selling cigars illegally. If the police catch you doing such things and they tell you to come with them THEN YOU COME WITH THEM! The police have a right to accuse you, and they can't detain you until they have certain evidence that allow them to.

But they didn't catch him selling anything. They'd heard that he may have been selling cigarettes.