No Indictment for Eric Garner's Killer

[-The West Coast-]

Well, I was in several choke holds and tackled many times for 3 months in Army basic training, and I could breathe every time, so I don't see your point?

Army training. The police is not an armed force. It's law enforcement. They are there to enforce laws, not locked in combat. You got training in that kind of thing. Those people in training were not trying to strangle you. There is no comparison with this case, an officer untrained in a chokehold suddenly wrapping his arm around an astmatic man. The results are quite different. And even if a heart attack was the cause of death, you know what causes your heart to break down? Lack of oxygen.

The whole idea of training was to strangle, so I was strangled and taught how to escape. I got strangled and I could still breathe enough to fight them off and get them off me. It's not the police officer's fault he had to restrain a violent asthmatic man while he was struggling with a police officer to get free.

[Sevvania]

If someone moving their arm away sets you off, you need counseling.

Cops can die in a matter of seconds when patrolling the streets of their cities. A movement like that, a jerking motion like the one he did to get his arm out of a police officer's grasp is dangerous for the officer's well being.

"Please don't touch me," and "I can't breathe," are notorious battle cries of violent criminals.

Do you know what else is dangerous for the well-being of an individual, besides pulling an arm away? Lack of oxygen.

Army training. The police is not an armed force. It's law enforcement. They are there to enforce laws, not locked in combat. You got training in that kind of thing. Those people in training were not trying to strangle you. There is no comparison with this case, an officer untrained in a chokehold suddenly wrapping his arm around an astmatic man. The results are quite different. And even if a heart attack was the cause of death, you know what causes your heart to break down? Lack of oxygen.

The whole idea of training was to strangle, so I was strangled and taught how to escape. I got strangled and I could still breathe enough to fight them off and get them off me. It's not the police officer's fault he had to restrain a violent asthmatic man while he was struggling with a police officer to get free.

Are you a large asthmatic man, and do you interpret pulling an arm away as a violent act?

[The United States of North Amerigo]

He didn't purposefully kill Eric Garner, his obesity and asthma were major contributing factors. If he had just come with the officers, NONE of this would have happened.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

The Officer didn't purposefully kill Eric Garner, his obesity and asthma were major contributing factors. If he had just come with the officers, NONE of this would have happened.

That's my stance.

[Basseemia]

Army training. The police is not an armed force. It's law enforcement. They are there to enforce laws, not locked in combat. You got training in that kind of thing. Those people in training were not trying to strangle you. There is no comparison with this case, an officer untrained in a chokehold suddenly wrapping his arm around an astmatic man. The results are quite different. And even if a heart attack was the cause of death, you know what causes your heart to break down? Lack of oxygen.

The whole idea of training was to strangle, so I was strangled and taught how to escape. I got strangled and I could still breathe enough to fight them off and get them off me. It's not the police officer's fault he had to restrain a violent asthmatic man while he was struggling with a police officer to get free.

He was struggling to get free because he couldn't breathe

[-The West Coast-]

Cops can die in a matter of seconds when patrolling the streets of their cities. A movement like that, a jerking motion like the one he did to get his arm out of a police officer's grasp is dangerous for the officer's well being.

There's a difference between restraining someone and choking them to death, then neglecting to give CPR.

What if the officer's on the scene weren't certified to give CPR? What if they didn't know how?

[Rob Halfordia]

Army training. The police is not an armed force. It's law enforcement. They are there to enforce laws, not locked in combat. You got training in that kind of thing. Those people in training were not trying to strangle you. There is no comparison with this case, an officer untrained in a chokehold suddenly wrapping his arm around an astmatic man. The results are quite different. And even if a heart attack was the cause of death, you know what causes your heart to break down? Lack of oxygen.

The whole idea of training was to strangle, so I was strangled and taught how to escape. I got strangled and I could still breathe enough to fight them off and get them off me. It's not the police officer's fault he had to restrain a violent asthmatic man while he was struggling with a police officer to get free.

Then you weren't being strangled properly. The point of strangling is to, you know, choke someone.

[Arlenton]

I'm surprised, unlike Ferguson this doesn't seem to be very excusable.
The again I didn't look too much into this one.

[Jamzmania]

Here's a quick lesson: You can breathe if you can say, "I can't breathe."

And he resisted arrest when he said, "Don't touch me please." and tried to get his arm away from the police officer. Jerky movements like that set cops on edge and that is why he was restrained.

If someone moving their arm away sets you off, you need counseling.

It sends the message that the person is not being cooperative and is potentially hostile.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Army training. The police is not an armed force. It's law enforcement. They are there to enforce laws, not locked in combat. You got training in that kind of thing. Those people in training were not trying to strangle you. There is no comparison with this case, an officer untrained in a chokehold suddenly wrapping his arm around an astmatic man. The results are quite different. And even if a heart attack was the cause of death, you know what causes your heart to break down? Lack of oxygen.

The whole idea of training was to strangle, so I was strangled and taught how to escape. I got strangled and I could still breathe enough to fight them off and get them off me. It's not the police officer's fault he had to restrain a violent asthmatic man while he was struggling with a police officer to get free.

Restrain, not in the way he was taught, but in an illegal fashion, while there were, what, five others around him? Grabbing his arm wouldn't do?

[Occupied Deutschland]

There's a difference between restraining someone and choking them to death, then neglecting to give CPR.

What if the officer's on the scene weren't certified to give CPR? What if they didn't know how?

Then they shouldn't be police officers.
Basic first aid such as CPR being a part of the NYC Police Academy's requirements for graduation.

[Sevvania]

There's a difference between restraining someone and choking them to death, then neglecting to give CPR.

What if the officer's on the scene weren't certified to give CPR? What if they didn't know how?

"The video also showed that police waited seven minutes before giving Garner cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR)."

Maybe the just forgot and it took them seven minutes to remember.

[Quintolania]

This seems like an obvious use of excessive force. Seems a lot more clear cut than Ferguson, too.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

[-The West Coast-]

What if the officer's on the scene weren't certified to give CPR? What if they didn't know how?

"The video also showed that police waited seven minutes before giving Garner cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR)."

Maybe the just forgot and it took them seven minutes to remember.

You've never been in that situation so maybe they didn't know what exactly to do? Maybe it hit them all at once and they didn't know what to do to help him? That's more common then you think. They had to collect themselves before helping him and they definitely helped him. He didn't die on the streets.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

I hope I am making a clear statements about my true opinions.

[Cetacea]

Army training. The police is not an armed force. It's law enforcement. They are there to enforce laws, not locked in combat. You got training in that kind of thing. Those people in training were not trying to strangle you. There is no comparison with this case, an officer untrained in a chokehold suddenly wrapping his arm around an astmatic man. The results are quite different. And even if a heart attack was the cause of death, you know what causes your heart to break down? Lack of oxygen.

The whole idea of training was to strangle, so I was strangled and taught how to escape. I got strangled and I could still breathe enough to fight them off and get them off me. It's not the police officer's fault he had to restrain a violent asthmatic man while he was struggling with a police officer to get free.

Unlike normal military the Police role is to serve the public and maintain law. If a person is in distress then the Police ought to ensure that the distress is relieved that includes a violent person sprawled on the ground who is saying "I can't breath" - for the cop it was just a case of letting go and standing up.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

The whole idea of training was to strangle, so I was strangled and taught how to escape. I got strangled and I could still breathe enough to fight them off and get them off me. It's not the police officer's fault he had to restrain a violent asthmatic man while he was struggling with a police officer to get free.

Well actually it is the cops fault. Unlike normal military the Police role is to serve the public and maintain law. If a person is in distress then the Police ought to ensure that the distress is relieved that includes a violent person sprawled on the ground who is saying "I can't breath" - for the cop it was just a case of letting go and standing up.

Usually you just pass out when you're out of breath. It took the cops a while to figure out that he was dying, and I doubt that they knew he had asthma.

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

Black persons take in....

WHAT?

WHAT?!?!?

[The United States of North Amerigo]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

Black persons take in....

WHAT?

WHAT?!?!?

It's actually true.

[Sevvania]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

He may or may not have been commiting a crime as petty as selling individual cigarettes, but, "If he wasn't fat and black he might have survived."

Murder or not, manslaughter is still a thing.

Usually you just pass out when you're out of breath. It took the cops a while to figure out that he was dying, and I doubt that they knew he had asthma.

"I doubt they knew he had trouble breathing, despite his repeated claims of, 'I can't breathe.'"

[Great Confederacy of Commonwealth States]

Black persons take in....

WHAT?

WHAT?!?!?

It's actually true.

Maybe on average, but individuals can't be judged by an average. Surely you know that?

[The United States of North Amerigo]

He decided to sell "loosies" and none of this would have happened if he just complied and went with the police, but he decided not to. Was it wrong to put him in a chokehold? Probably, but he had asthma and he was obese, and black persons take in less air than white people (Yes it's actually true). So he might have survived in other circumstances. Should Eric Garner's Killer be arrested? No, to murder someone would mean to kill another individual human being on purpose.

He may or may not have been commiting a crime as petty as selling individual cigarettes, but, "If he wasn't fat and black he might have survived."

Murder or not, manslaughter is still a thing.

I'm sorry if my statement about black people taking in less air than white people seemed racist, I did not mean it to be.

Yeah manslaughter is a thing, I'm well aware.

[Occupied Deutschland]

"The video also showed that police waited seven minutes before giving Garner cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR)."

Maybe the just forgot and it took them seven minutes to remember.

You've never been in that situation so maybe they didn't know what exactly to do? Maybe it hit them all at once and they didn't know what to do to help him? That's more common then you think. They had to collect themselves before helping him and they definitely helped him. He didn't die on the streets.

Eight or more different officers had to collect themselves for seven minutes when all knew the basic first aid in question?

[The United States of North Amerigo]

It's actually true.

Maybe on average, but individuals can't be judged by an average. Surely you know that?

I believe it was businessinsider, but I am not sure.