No Indictment for Eric Garner's Killer

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Bla bla blah this method has been banned, no, that was a headlock, not a chokehold. Although they look very very similar.

Forgive me, but I think I'll take the opinion of a qualified medical expert over yours, unless you have a credible source to back your claim.

http://nypost.com/2014/08/14/not-a-chok ... er-arrest/
Not a chokehold.

[Mirchusko]

They deliberately performed a potentially lethal maneuver that they have been instructed not to use for almost twenty years.

Headlock, not chokehold.

Please explain how you know that was not a chokehold.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Headlock, not chokehold.

Headlocks don't choke people to death.

The guy was OBESE AND HAD ASTHMA! People with asthma can die from very simple things, like running for example, or rapid changes in temperature.

[Scomagia]

Anyways, if you're resisting arrest, then you're giving the officer a reason to put you in a headlock. Not to mention Eric Garner had asthma and that's probably what killed him. I doubt the officer knew he had asthma either.

The chokehold plus asthma plus a heart attack killed him. The chokehold triggered the symptoms.

Exactly. Had a TASER been used, instead, there's a good chance that he'd still be alive, even with his heart condition.

[Seangoli]

They are taught basic hand to hand combat.

The only "hand to hand combat" NYPD are taught, are how to take down someone, and what is demonstrated in the video is a method.

Let me be clear about something: My father was in law enforcement, his father was in law enforcement, my uncle is currently working in law enforcement.

One of the things that my father specifically scolded me for when I was younger was using a choke hold on my brother, as it can be lethal. This was two decades ago. He also flat out fired several of his deputies for using this (And similar) methods, even though nobody was severely harmed. The NYPD further has barred officers from using chokeholds for nearly two decades as they are considered dangerous even to healthy adults. Choke holds are completely inappropriate for use by law enforcement, due to it being very easy to kill somebody unintentionally.

The role of a police officer is not to subdue a suspect at all costs. It is to use necessary and reasonable force to do so. In almost all jurisdictions in the modern day, utilizing a choke hold is not considered reasonable, and in many (Including New York CIty), it is specifically laid out as being completely inappropriate.

I'm very defensive of officers in general, as I feel the general white-washing of them is uncalled for and a travesty towards normally upstanding people who want nothing more than to make their communities a better place. I am equally very disgusted when officers, such as in this case, operate with complete disregard for human life and completely outside what is considered appropriate as it only harms the officers who act with the utmost respect for the people in their jurisdiction-even those who commit a crime.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Headlock, not chokehold.

Please explain how you know that was not a chokehold.

According to Amerikick this is a headlock:

[Scomagia]

They deliberately performed a potentially lethal maneuver that they have been instructed not to use for almost twenty years.

Headlock, not chokehold.

A headlock that choked him to death. Hmmm, sounds like a choke-hold to me.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Headlocks don't choke people to death.

The guy was OBESE AND HAD ASTHMA! People with asthma can die from very simple things, like running for example, or rapid changes in temperature.

And yet Garner didn't die from running or rapid changes in temperature.
He died from choking.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

The chokehold plus asthma plus a heart attack killed him. The chokehold triggered the symptoms.

Exactly. Had a TASER been used, instead, there's a good chance that he'd still be alive, even with his heart condition.

No, he wouldn't be alive, regular kids have died from taser shots.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

The guy was OBESE AND HAD ASTHMA! People with asthma can die from very simple things, like running for example, or rapid changes in temperature.

And yet Garner didn't die from running or rapid changes in temperature.
He died from choking.

The headlock triggered the asthma symptoms...

[Mirchusko]

Please explain how you know that was not a chokehold.

According to Amerikick this is a headlock:

From the article I quoted earlier:

An autopsy by the city’s medical examiner found that Mr. Garner’s death was a homicide resulting from the chokehold — a maneuver banned by the Police Department in 1993 — and the compression of his chest by police

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Headlock, not chokehold.

A headlock that choked him to death. Hmmm, sounds like a choke-hold to me.

He had fucking asthma, the headlock triggered those symptoms.

[Ethel mermania]

Anyways, if you're resisting arrest, then you're giving the officer a reason to put you in a headlock. ...

That might be relevant had Eric Garner resisted arrest.
And if the officer in question hadn't choked Garner to death with his chokehold.

He was resisting arrest. That's why they took him down. That part of the story is not in dispute.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

According to Amerikick this is a headlock:

From the article I quoted earlier:

An autopsy by the city’s medical examiner found that Mr. Garner’s death was a homicide resulting from the chokehold — a maneuver banned by the Police Department in 1993 — and the compression of his chest by police

He had fucking asthma... NYT is wrong....

[Mirchusko]

From the article I quoted earlier:

He had fucking asthma... NYT is wrong....

Source please?

[Occupied Deutschland]

That might be relevant had Eric Garner resisted arrest.
And if the officer in question hadn't choked Garner to death with his chokehold.

He was resisting arrest. That's why they took him down. That part of the story is not in dispute.

*shrug* I don't accept that noncompliance is resisting arrest.

[Scomagia]

From the article I quoted earlier:

He had fucking asthma... NYT is wrong....

The M.E. is wrong?

[Occupied Deutschland]

From the article I quoted earlier:

He had fucking asthma... NYT is wrong....

Is the city's medical examiner wrong, too?

[Scomagia]

That might be relevant had Eric Garner resisted arrest.
And if the officer in question hadn't choked Garner to death with his chokehold.

He was resisting arrest. That's why they took him down. That part of the story is not in dispute.

Noncompliance is not resisting.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

He had fucking asthma... NYT is wrong....

Source please?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... r-the-gop/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... with-race/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner

[The United States of North Amerigo]

He was resisting arrest. That's why they took him down. That part of the story is not in dispute.

Noncompliance is not resisting.

Yes it is.

[Ethel mermania]

He was resisting arrest. That's why they took him down. That part of the story is not in dispute.

*shrug* I don't accept that noncompliance is resisting arrest.

When it comes to putting cuffs on, the police would disagree

[MERIZoC]

Noncompliance is not resisting.

Yes it is.

"The British should have choked that Gandhi upstart to death, too!"

[Scomagia]

*shrug* I don't accept that noncompliance is resisting arrest.

When it comes to putting cuffs on, the police would disagree

Of course they would. They'd also agree that Contempt of Cop should be an actual charge. They're hardly experts on the law.

[Mirchusko]

Source please?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the ... r-the-gop/
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/won ... with-race/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Eric_Garner

All 3 sources refer to it as a chokehold.

Medical examiners ruled Garner's death a homicide and said his health was a contributing factor. It listed the chokehold, his position on the ground and the compression of his chest as the main cause.