No Indictment for Eric Garner's Killer

[Scomagia]

Source for "likely"? Besides, a TASER is unlikely to result in death for most people. Since the police couldn't have known at the time that he had a heart condition, a TASER induced death would have been more understandable. What the police did instead, though, could easily kill a perfectly healthy person. There's a reason TASERs have been introduced, you know.

Tazers are still lethal instruments, just less lethal. If you have heart problems and you are tazed then you die, you just die. No it would not have been more understandable as people have been accusing the officer of murdering the guy because he used a tazer on a fat person.

First, it's TASER. Second, I never said they weren't potentially lethal. The fact of the matter is that a TASER is unlikely to kill most people and since, at the time, the police couldn't have known he had a heart condition, a TASER induced death would have been understandable. Again, what they chose to do instead could have easily killed a healthy person, let alone an obese person.

[Scomagia]

They are taught basic hand to hand combat.

You live in CANADA!

No.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Police are not taught hand to hand combat.

They are taught basic hand to hand combat.

The only "hand to hand combat" NYPD are taught, are how to take down someone, and what is demonstrated in the video is a method.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Tazers are still lethal instruments, just less lethal. If you have heart problems and you are tazed then you die, you just die. No it would not have been more understandable as people have been accusing the officer of murdering the guy because he used a tazer on a fat person.

First, it's TASER. Second, I never said they weren't potentially lethal. The fact of the matter is that a TASER is unlikely to kill most people and since, at the time, the police couldn't have known he had a heart condition, a TASER induced death would have been understandable. Again, what they chose to do instead could have easily killed a healthy person, let alone an obese person.

You are forgetting a factor, obese people usually die very quickly when shocked. I doubt that the paramedics would have arrived in time to save him.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

They are taught basic hand to hand combat.

The only "hand to hand combat" NYPD are taught, are how to take down someone, and what is demonstrated in the video is a method.

What police are taught varies on the police department, too.

[Geilinor]

They are taught basic hand to hand combat.

The only "hand to hand combat" NYPD are taught, are how to take down someone, and what is demonstrated in the video is a method.

Chokeholds are against NYPD rules.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

The only "hand to hand combat" NYPD are taught, are how to take down someone, and what is demonstrated in the video is a method.

Chokeholds are against NYPD rules.

*headlock

[Scomagia]

First, it's TASER. Second, I never said they weren't potentially lethal. The fact of the matter is that a TASER is unlikely to kill most people and since, at the time, the police couldn't have known he had a heart condition, a TASER induced death would have been understandable. Again, what they chose to do instead could have easily killed a healthy person, let alone an obese person.

You're forgetting a factor. The man was obese and if he used a tazer the EMTs would not have arrived in time.

Your poor grammar makes it near impossible for me to understand the point you're trying to make. If English isn't your first language, I apologize, but I can't debate with someone if their posts aren't coherent.

[Mirchusko]

They are taught basic hand to hand combat.

The only "hand to hand combat" NYPD are taught, are how to take down someone, and what is demonstrated in the video is a method.

The method used has been expressly banned from use by police officers since 1993.
Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/grand-jury-said-to-bring-no-charges-in-staten-island-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html?_r=0
See the paragraph about the autopsy.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

You're forgetting a factor. The man was obese and if he used a tazer the EMTs would not have arrived in time.

Your poor grammar makes it near impossible for me to understand the point you're trying to make. If English isn't your first language, I apologize, but I can't debate with someone if their posts aren't coherent.

You know someone is losing an argument when grammar is insulted

[Occupied Deutschland]

Chokeholds are against NYPD rules.

*headlock

A headlock which just happened to result in Garner choking to death.

There's a word for that kind of headlock.
It's called a chokehold.

[Scomagia]

Your poor grammar makes it near impossible for me to understand the point you're trying to make. If English isn't your first language, I apologize, but I can't debate with someone if their posts aren't coherent.

You know someone is losing an argument when grammar is insulted

No, I legitimately can't understand what your point was. If you were to rewrite your post, we could continue.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

The only "hand to hand combat" NYPD are taught, are how to take down someone, and what is demonstrated in the video is a method.

The method used has been expressly banned from use by police officers since 1993.
Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/grand-jury-said-to-bring-no-charges-in-staten-island-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html?_r=0
See the paragraph about the autopsy.

Bla bla blah this method has been banned, no, that was a headlock, not a chokehold. Although they look very very similar.

[Mirchusko]

The method used has been expressly banned from use by police officers since 1993.
Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/grand-jury-said-to-bring-no-charges-in-staten-island-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html?_r=0
See the paragraph about the autopsy.

Bla bla blah this method has been banned, no, that was a headlock, not a chokehold. Although they look very very similar.

Forgive me, but I think I'll take the opinion of a qualified medical expert over yours, unless you have a credible source to back your claim.

[Occupied Deutschland]

The method used has been expressly banned from use by police officers since 1993.
Source:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/grand-jury-said-to-bring-no-charges-in-staten-island-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html?_r=0
See the paragraph about the autopsy.

Bla bla blah this method has been banned, no, that was a headlock, not a chokehold. Although they look very very similar.

Headlocks don't compress the neck until the recipient chokes to death.
Which, I'll remind you again, was Garner's cause of death.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Anyways, if you're resisting arrest, then you're giving the officer a reason to put you in a headlock. Not to mention Eric Garner had asthma and that's probably what killed him. I doubt the officer knew he had asthma either.

[Scomagia]

Anyways, if you're resisting arrest, then you're giving the officer a reason to put you in a headlock. Not to mention Eric Garner had asthma and that's probably what killed him. I doubt the officer knew he had asthma either.

They deliberately performed a potentially lethal maneuver that they have been instructed not to use for almost twenty years.

[Geilinor]

Anyways, if you're resisting arrest, then you're giving the officer a reason to put you in a headlock. Not to mention Eric Garner had asthma and that's probably what killed him. I doubt the officer knew he had asthma either.

The chokehold plus asthma plus a heart attack killed him. The chokehold triggered the symptoms.

[Occupied Deutschland]

Anyways, if you're resisting arrest, then you're giving the officer a reason to put you in a headlock. ...

That might be relevant had Eric Garner resisted arrest.
And if the officer in question hadn't choked Garner to death with his chokehold.

[Rizoshia]

Protests are exactly what we need. To show the government that we're fucking fed up.

Just because there are protests doesn't mean something is "devolving".
Protests are good, they are an excellent way to voice public opinion.

And others.

Anyways, apologies, I was tired this morning and typed protests on accident. I meant to write "Riots", I can understand your responses and apologize.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Anyways, if you're resisting arrest, then you're giving the officer a reason to put you in a headlock. Not to mention Eric Garner had asthma and that's probably what killed him. I doubt the officer knew he had asthma either.

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[Ethel mermania]

How else could he have been brought down? He was 350 pounds and six feet five inches tall.

TASER.

City cops killed a kid with a taser a few years ago, they shy away from them.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/10/02 ... ser-death/

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Anyways, if you're resisting arrest, then you're giving the officer a reason to put you in a headlock. ...

That might be relevant had Eric Garner resisted arrest.
And if the officer in question hadn't choked Garner to death with his chokehold.

He did resist arrest, not coming with an officer to go to a police station is considered resisting arrest.

[The United States of North Amerigo]

Anyways, if you're resisting arrest, then you're giving the officer a reason to put you in a headlock. Not to mention Eric Garner had asthma and that's probably what killed him. I doubt the officer knew he had asthma either.

They deliberately performed a potentially lethal maneuver that they have been instructed not to use for almost twenty years.

Headlock, not chokehold.

[Occupied Deutschland]

They deliberately performed a potentially lethal maneuver that they have been instructed not to use for almost twenty years.

Headlock, not chokehold.

Headlocks don't choke people to death.